OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[Local_NG_Idiot]

The only thing more contagious is the creative accounting going on with the recording of cases. Everything is being labelled as COVID and test results have been notoriously inaccurate. Ask Elon Musk who took 4 tests one after another. 2 were positive and 2 were negative but I’m sure California counted that as 2 COVID cases.

you really should do some reading before posting. Just like Space Karen should have prior to tweeting that.

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[YogiStewart]

i mean, some posters here know best. we'll never ever hit capacity.

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Nice try. I just went thru his tweets. One earlier tweet he says there’s only 174 ICU beds left (which indicates that there’s a lot more than 174 available) and then in another later tweet he says there are only 175 ICU beds in total in the entire state of Arizona. A state with a population of 7.4 million and they only have 175 ICU beds. There’s 124 hospitals in Arizona so thats 1.4 ICU beds per hospital? The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds but for some reason Arizona only has 1.4 beds. That means they must be over capacity every single year because Ontario has twice the population but had 10 000 beds available in April.

Unless Arizona is impervious to the flu every single winter then either people in Arizona are dying in hospital hallways every single year or, and much more likely, this is another gross exaggeration of the facts which is par for the course with the Twitter mob.

This is the kind of baseless fear mongering that permeates on Twitter and causes govts to overreact. Provide some real stats not manufactured drama. Unbelievable.

guessing you don't google.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/18/icu-capacity-is-more-about-the-clinicians-than-the-number-of-beds/

[YogiStewart]

Flu cases have dropped by over 98% this year and they’ve even DOUBLED the testing.

Reason?

People are washing their hands, social distancing and wearing masks.

Covid cases are up by 1,200% since July.

Reason?

People aren’t washing their hands enough, social distancing enough or wearing masks enough.

it's almost as if they're two different viruses.

i can't tell if you're purposely trying to look this stupid or if this is who you are.
the hand washing's been shown to be part of the piece of the puzzle, but spread's mostly caused by inhalation of the virus, which is correlated to proximity to someone infected, indoor vs outdoor exposure and time spent near the person infected.

but hey, keep on thinking that this is somehow all a lie.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

what happened to that post lol about the guy who says his brother went to get tested, didn't get tested, and a test result said he was positive. lol

[jrask]

what happened to that post lol about the guy who says his brother went to get tested, didn't get tested, and a test result said he was positive. lol

I removed it after some thought

I hate getting involved in these type of threads....and did not want to be attacked

anyway...I'm sure a few people read it

[Yosemite Dan]

i mean, some posters here know best. we'll never ever hit capacity.

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Nice try. I just went thru his tweets. One earlier tweet he says there’s only 174 ICU beds left (which indicates that there’s a lot more than 174 available) and then in another later tweet he says there are only 175 ICU beds in total in the entire state of Arizona. A state with a population of 7.4 million and they only have 175 ICU beds. There’s 124 hospitals in Arizona so thats 1.4 ICU beds per hospital? The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds but for some reason Arizona only has 1.4 beds. That means they must be over capacity every single year because Ontario has twice the population but had 10 000 beds available in April.

Unless Arizona is impervious to the flu every single winter then either people in Arizona are dying in hospital hallways every single year or, and much more likely, this is another gross exaggeration of the facts which is par for the course with the Twitter mob.

This is the kind of baseless fear mongering that permeates on Twitter and causes govts to overreact. Provide some real stats not manufactured drama. Unbelievable.

guessing you don't google.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/18/icu-capacity-is-more-about-the-clinicians-than-the-number-of-beds/

Lol, you are so predictable. Post some BS tweet and get called out. So what do you do? You move the goalposts posting some random article that it’s the workers not the beds. It would have helped your case a lot more if that person in that article actually stated the hospitals involved in NYC that the situations occurred rather than talking in generalities. Its funny how those articles never mention specifics. You really should work for CNN. You’re missing your calling.

[Fairview4Life]

Nice try. I just went thru his tweets. One earlier tweet he says there’s only 174 ICU beds left (which indicates that there’s a lot more than 174 available) and then in another later tweet he says there are only 175 ICU beds in total in the entire state of Arizona. A state with a population of 7.4 million and they only have 175 ICU beds. There’s 124 hospitals in Arizona so thats 1.4 ICU beds per hospital? The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds but for some reason Arizona only has 1.4 beds. That means they must be over capacity every single year because Ontario has twice the population but had 10 000 beds available in April.

Unless Arizona is impervious to the flu every single winter then either people in Arizona are dying in hospital hallways every single year or, and much more likely, this is another gross exaggeration of the facts which is par for the course with the Twitter mob.

This is the kind of baseless fear mongering that permeates on Twitter and causes govts to overreact. Provide some real stats not manufactured drama. Unbelievable.

guessing you don't google.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/18/icu-capacity-is-more-about-the-clinicians-than-the-number-of-beds/

Lol, you are so predictable. Post some BS tweet and get called out. So what do you do? You move the goalposts posting some random article that it’s the workers not the beds. It would have helped your case a lot more if that person in that article actually stated the hospitals involved in NYC that the situations occurred rather than talking in generalities. Its funny how those articles never mention specifics. You really should work for CNN. You’re missing your calling.

You could have just read the very next tweet in the thread after the one he posted, which is what the statnews article is also pointing out.

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What do you think an ICU bed is? Just a fancy bed?

[ItsDanger]

Overcrowding in hospitals has been an ongoing problem in Ontario for quite some time. The current lack of specifics in the media regarding beds is a red flag on its own.

Poor leadership in ALL parties.

[NBA Sheady]

he's advocating for the killing of seniors via neglect and you think he knows what proning is? lol

Or...he thinks that because just because he is young and healthy that the rest of the world must be like him and it's all about him...oh ya...and **** the old people.

listen..
my wife and i got COVID in mid-June. we were very careful. we have no clue where we got it. we didn't go anywhere. so either i got it from work (very possible) and infected her or we got it when we took a 10 minute uber ride (windows down, masks on everyone).

i still wheeze. i now have asthma because of it. my wife has no stamina. used to be able to go for walks for hours. now, she can't. she's out of breath from walking up stairs. we were both healthy, active people.

no clue if either of us has any cardiac damage.

people are so f'ing stupid

All the posters here who are whipping out the mortality rate need to read this and then read it again.

[NBA Sheady]

Australia's approach is barbarism. I'd truly delve into anarchy if they tried that here. I feel sorry for people there. Governments going to have to deal with back lash for decades. And no, saving every single life is absolutely NOT worth that barbaric garbage.

Some peope deserve to get covid. You are one.

And theres a 99.86% survival rate across all ages. Median age of death 83. Good luck.

People are so full of fear when the stats paint a much less hysterial picture much closer to common influenza which magically became much lower this season.

The young healthy people having strokes weren't afraid. I'd post a link to the study but you won't read it.

[YogiStewart]

Or...he thinks that because just because he is young and healthy that the rest of the world must be like him and it's all about him...oh ya...and **** the old people.

listen..
my wife and i got COVID in mid-June. we were very careful. we have no clue where we got it. we didn't go anywhere. so either i got it from work (very possible) and infected her or we got it when we took a 10 minute uber ride (windows down, masks on everyone).

i still wheeze. i now have asthma because of it. my wife has no stamina. used to be able to go for walks for hours. now, she can't. she's out of breath from walking up stairs. we were both healthy, active people.

no clue if either of us has any cardiac damage.

people are so f'ing stupid

All the posters here who are whipping out the mortality rate need to read this and then read it again.

when you believe what you want to believe, you tend to skip over sentences/articles/people that post something that would make you stop, think and say "ah, my bad."

arguing with these people is pointless. really is. a year of the virus and we've established lots of do's and don't, but hey, nope. it's all wrong.
only valid point they have is protecting the most vulnerable. if we would have done that, we'd have fewer deaths.
if we instituted rules with teeth earlier, restaurants and bars would be open at limited capacity (and with windows open for ideal ventillation). but, nope.

[NBA Sheady]

And theres a 99.86% survival rate across all ages. Median age of death 83. Good luck.

People are so full of fear when the stats paint a much less hysterial picture much closer to common influenza which magically became much lower this season.

Sorry I am not buying whatever you're selling. I have seen documentaries dealing with the long term effects of this disease. I understand the varied complications arising from it. I do not idly believe propogandists who say this is an old person's disease when I know of people in their 20's who get it.

I do know that some people deserve to get it to fully understand how it can disrupt their lives. To develop an empathy towards others who might be immunocompromised. To think of more than themselves.

Don't reply to my covid posts anymore. You're wasting my time and I don't want to answer it. I can show you science from papers and doctors but it's useless for people like yourself. Maybe you also deserve to get it.

Jesus.. it is not "propaganda" to say that it primarily affects old people - this is backed up by data and accepted by every medical community in the world. The people at real risk are the elderly - particularly those with underlying health conditions. There is no arguing this fact, and if you think otherwise then you have been watching too much news, and not looking at enough data.

Rounded to one decimal point, people between the ages of 0 and 39 make up 0.0% of total COVID fatalities in Canada.

What percentage of ages 0 to 39 suffered strokes or other horrific side effects?

[YogiStewart]

Overcrowding in hospitals has been an ongoing problem in Ontario for quite some time. The current lack of specifics in the media regarding beds is a red flag on its own.

Poor leadership in ALL parties.

you aren't wrong. but it doesn't explain full ICUs in the US

[Johnny Bball]

Nice try. I just went thru his tweets. One earlier tweet he says there’s only 174 ICU beds left (which indicates that there’s a lot more than 174 available) and then in another later tweet he says there are only 175 ICU beds in total in the entire state of Arizona. A state with a population of 7.4 million and they only have 175 ICU beds. There’s 124 hospitals in Arizona so thats 1.4 ICU beds per hospital? The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds but for some reason Arizona only has 1.4 beds. That means they must be over capacity every single year because Ontario has twice the population but had 10 000 beds available in April.

Unless Arizona is impervious to the flu every single winter then either people in Arizona are dying in hospital hallways every single year or, and much more likely, this is another gross exaggeration of the facts which is par for the course with the Twitter mob.

This is the kind of baseless fear mongering that permeates on Twitter and causes govts to overreact. Provide some real stats not manufactured drama. Unbelievable.

guessing you don't google.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/18/icu-capacity-is-more-about-the-clinicians-than-the-number-of-beds/

Lol, you are so predictable. Post some BS tweet and get called out. So what do you do? You move the goalposts posting some random article that it’s the workers not the beds. It would have helped your case a lot more if that person in that article actually stated the hospitals involved in NYC that the situations occurred rather than talking in generalities. Its funny how those articles never mention specifics. You really should work for CNN. You’re missing your calling.

You can accuse other people of moving the goalposts but you've tried to basically call covid bull throughout this entire thread using different ways to do it, moving to the next point when it gets shot down.

Lets face it. Some people are just really selfish and it's all about them. They don't like their good time interrupted in any way shape or form. So... they will pretend covid isn't a problem, then they don't have to comply with anything. Some people are just going to believe whatever they political hero tells them. It doesn't matter what people educate themselves on, they are never going to educate themselves enough here to be real.

I mean ... your thought that "you should work for CNN", just really gives it away and encapsulates it for everyone, there is zero possibility here of you being unbiased.

[Hero]

I see walmart and costco are trending.

I can see the concern with this. Walmart, Costco etc have been quite crowded lately.

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Why not ensure these larger businesses have capacity limits rather than let them operate however they want. Especially as cases were rising. Would have been cool if Ford and crew actually made more adjustments to avoid this lockdown. More action earlier rather than wait till it gets this bad.

Now once again smaller businesses are facing the heat while the larger ones, tech firms, online retailers are going to fare much better.

[DG88]

Reading this thread shows me a lot about some of the people on this board.

People need to understand that the virus is the reason for the economic and human pain that we're all dealing with. For those who want to open everything up and say well I'm healthy so I'm good is blind to the ramifications of that type of thinking. There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way. God forbid Covid hit one of our players on the Raptors and it caused them to have severe problems after catching the disease that could shorten their career.

Then we have the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, they are very susceptible to the virus and can die from it. If we don't take appropriate measures the loss of live will and is great. By saying screw restrictions is you telling them that their lives aren't worth it.

All I will say is this, we as a species need to come together and work to fight this virus and do it for your family members, friends, co-workers and neighbours. Whether you like this or not we're all in this together and we can't get out of it unless we follow public health guideline's.

[raptorstime]

I see walmart and costco are trending.

I can see the concern with this. Walmart, Costco etc have been quite crowded lately.

Read on Twitter

Why not ensure these larger businesses have capacity limits rather than let them operate however they want. Especially as cases were rising. Would have been cool if Ford and crew actually made more adjustments to avoid this lockdown. More action earlier rather than wait till it gets this bad.

Now once again smaller businesses are facing the heat while the larger ones, tech firms, online retailers are going to fare much better.

The government failed the people and small businesses. Sad to see..

[DG88]

I see walmart and costco are trending.

I can see the concern with this. Walmart, Costco etc have been quite crowded lately.

Read on Twitter

Why not ensure these larger businesses have capacity limits rather than let them operate however they want. Especially as cases were rising. Would have been cool if Ford and crew actually made more adjustments to avoid this lockdown. More action earlier rather than wait till it gets this bad.

Now once again smaller businesses are facing the heat while the larger ones, tech firms, online retailers are going to fare much better.

The government failed the people and small businesses. Sad to see..

This is what happens when heads of government don't think.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I see walmart and costco are trending.

I can see the concern with this. Walmart, Costco etc have been quite crowded lately.

Read on Twitter

Why not ensure these larger businesses have capacity limits rather than let them operate however they want. Especially as cases were rising. Would have been cool if Ford and crew actually made more adjustments to avoid this lockdown. More action earlier rather than wait till it gets this bad.

Now once again smaller businesses are facing the heat while the larger ones, tech firms, online retailers are going to fare much better.

The government failed the people and small businesses. Sad to see..

This is what happens when heads of government don't think.

This is also what happens when people in the middle of a pandemic don't think.

[DG88]

The government failed the people and small businesses. Sad to see..

This is what happens when heads of government don't think.

This is also what happens when people in the middle of a pandemic don't think.

Agreed!