Trade Thread #8: All Gordon things come to an End

[BigTrade92]

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[ConstableGeneva]

Beal has a PO in two years, he isn't staying with the wizards, just wait and make a S&T for him.

If Beal opts out and insists on a S&T to Boston and nowhere else, I wonder if Wiz would take back an opted-in, expiring Kemba, a young prospect, and a 1st instead of getting nothing.

Smart | Beal | Brown | Tatum | C

[sully00]

We REALLY need another wing. Our depth as of this moment, is WORSE than last year, which I thought was not possible. Danny may have lost the big picture, while trying to squeeze the Pacers for blood.

To the contrary, I think the reason Ainge was squeezing the Pacers was because he wanted to get back more wing talent. If rumors are to be believed, he was asking for Warren or Oladipo in addition to Turner and reticent to take back McDermott who wouldn't see the court with us.

For the 5th time, it was Oladipo OR Turner, not both. Together Dipo and Turner make 38M. No way Ainge was taking that kind of salary back and become hard capped.

Ainge didn't have be hard capped. The only transaction that has forced Ainge to be hard capped is Tristan Thompson and using the Non Tax Payer MLE. My guess is we are going to hear that BOS and IND never really got down to the specifics of S&T because Hayward never accepted either of their offers. I think what the specifics that have been discussed was whether Hayward would accept a trade prior to FA buy opting into his deal, which he didn't agree to. Under that agreement Turner and Oladipo made sense 34 mil for 38 mil really doesn't alter Boston's books. That doesn't mean IND would do it just the financial side made sense on Tuesday.

[GoCeltics123]

Said an NBA source, “signing Hayward is like signing Batum to a four-year extension.”

Per Mannix. I think this is a littleeeeeeee strong

[Feed Your Head]

Someone should ask Smitty if there’s any s&t news that him and Celtics writers aren’t telling us.

[Celts17Pride]

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[MagicBagley18]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

Imagine thinking you could get either of those two with Brown. One of the reasons why WAS wont trade him is because they know they wont get value back. But you keep on with the passive aggressive stuff.

I’m not passive aggressive....I’m totally aggressive on that we will be treading water in exactly 24 months, totally aggressive that people who wouldn’t trade brown for either- are fools. I’m all on in that.

Nothing to be passive about and I’ve already told you that you’re completely detached from how the new nba works if you expect superstars to be traded with extensions baring extreme rarities . Moron level stuff. You have no idea whether or not brown could be a center piece in a harden trade because u also don’t have the balls to even try.

It’s funny too because in your own post earlier u say “I’d be willing to trade for beal” but not for brown.....like Walker would get the deal done and even more asinine thinking by you not to include brown (your own words) if he was available.

So again I won’t be passive.......not including brown for beal is moron level stuff by you & next level stupid not to include him for harden. Terrible.

[MagicBagley18]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

To be honest, Beal is kinda fools gold. He spams stats and plays near Trae-level defense. Like, its troubling to me he couldnt lead his team above the Magic last year. If he was this mega star, and Bertans is the guy they say he is, he should be able to beat out the Vuc led Magic.

Harden tho, I’m with you.

That’s fine, at least you’d go after harden. We can disagree on beal. Plays off ball, friends with Tatum, has been a willing defender before and is a great character guy. Can create offense on his own as a 1 or 2- basically way better than brown.

[The Corey's]

I'm tired of this thread. Let's get to number 9 already.

[MagicBagley18]

I have them 2nd ...

Round out?

Both.

Regular season, continuity is HUGE. Especially with abridged offseason. I expect the Bucks to take a step back and the Heat to struggle a bit to start. Likely Philly too. Think we have a decent shot of winning the East in the regular season.

Come playoffs, its all matchup dependent. We made the ECFs without Hayward last year and def could again, though second round is the safer bet.

I could see that. Regular season familiarity and having a really good record getting a 1 seed. We know how the story book ends tho, but nonetheless I’ll be around for the ride rooting hard.

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I don't keep up with all that. Is she Deuce's Mom? The other girlfriend he had? Somebody new?

[ConstableGeneva]

I almost didn't recognize Tatum. His beard has grown!

[sully00]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

Beal to me is a point-blank no-brainer. His age, connection with Tatum, and ability to fit his game around basically any type of player makes him the IDEAL guy to go after.

I just have no idea if WAS will ever give him up unless he forces his way out. I think they legitimately hope Wall comes back and is 90-95% of his old self and all of as sudden you've probably got a playoff team in the East between those two and a bit of development from their frontcourt.

Of course he is. That’s the whole point trade in an ok-good player for an elite one. Beals defense sucked last year but on a good team he’ll be engaged and is capable. Either way no brainer

To me this is at a tipping point. 2 years ago sure Brown for Beal no problem, last year sure. Now it gets a lot more iffy. Over the last 3 years Brown has shot the 3 better than Beal. Beal is superior play maker and volume scorer but I am not necessarily looking for that guy right now. Brown has much better size, rebounding and defense couldn't even be more different.

So now Brown is 23 and will cost 26 mil less than Beal over the next 3 years and has another year to go on his deal no player option.
Beal is 27 and he is going to cost $6 mil more next year, 10 mil more in 21-22, and then he would cost 11 mil more in 22-23 except that is a player option when he is 30 years old. Add to this a 15% Trade kicker that may or may not have any implication because he is probably already maxed out.

I don't want the Bradley Beal that has been in WAS the last two years I want the guy who is more efficient smaller usage and don't know that he is going to produce that much more than Brown if feels like getting older and lighting money on fire. Brown is already scoring 20ppg and helping you win playoff series he isn't potential anymore.

Now if I can turn Walker or his money into Beal and play him in a backcourt with Smart with Brown and Tatum on the wing now you have my attention.

[leper-con]

Everyone on these threads needs to enter rehab. (Celtics addiction rehab).
We have 8, 100 page threads and all we are waiting for is a trade player exemption.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

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So I guess that TPE was just a bluff? Lol

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Everyone on these threads needs to enter rehab. (Celtics addiction rehab).
We have 8, 100 page threads and all we are waiting for is a trade player exemption.

I don’t think it’s going to happen...

[ConstableGeneva]

CHA gets Hayward, Brazdeikis, BOS 2nd rd pick
NYK gets Rozier
BOS gets Ntilikina, $21M TPE

[MagicBagley18]

Beal to me is a point-blank no-brainer. His age, connection with Tatum, and ability to fit his game around basically any type of player makes him the IDEAL guy to go after.

I just have no idea if WAS will ever give him up unless he forces his way out. I think they legitimately hope Wall comes back and is 90-95% of his old self and all of as sudden you've probably got a playoff team in the East between those two and a bit of development from their frontcourt.

Of course he is. That’s the whole point trade in an ok-good player for an elite one. Beals defense sucked last year but on a good team he’ll be engaged and is capable. Either way no brainer

To me this is at a tipping point. 2 years ago sure Brown for Beal no problem, last year sure. Now it gets a lot more iffy. Over the last 3 years Brown has shot the 3 better than Beal. Beal is superior play maker and volume scorer but I am not necessarily looking for that guy right now. Brown has much better size, rebounding and defense couldn't even be more different.

So now Brown is 23 and will cost 26 mil less than Beal over the next 3 years and has another year to go on his deal no player option.
Beal is 27 and he is going to cost $6 mil more next year, 10 mil more in 21-22, and then he would cost 11 mil more in 22-23 except that is a player option when he is 30 years old. Add to this a 15% Trade kicker that may or may not have any implication because he is probably already maxed out.

I don't want the Bradley Beal that has been in WAS the last two years I want the guy who is more efficient smaller usage and don't know that he is going to produce that much more than Brown if feels like getting older and lighting money on fire. Brown is already scoring 20ppg and helping you win playoff series he isn't potential anymore.

Now if I can turn Walker or his money into Beal and play him in a backcourt with Smart with Brown and Tatum on the wing now you have my attention.

Beal does it as a number 1 option with the other teams entire defense focused on him. He’s the game plan. Wizards are coming to town- the film is all about beal. brown is the 3rd option and at points a 4th option. Why would we not want to bring in a player who by your own accounts is a better play maker & scorer.

Brown has u guys fooled. To his credit he does his role great, he beats up on other 3 and 4th options and hits the corner 3 at an elite level. Beal is better off ball, better play maker, friends with Tatum and has played close to all nba level.

[Scoonie]

nt

[CeltsfaninDC]

Someone should ask Smitty if there’s any s&t news that him and Celtics writers aren’t telling us.

LOL... I think he's had far too much of that lately