Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[Wooderson]

It's not just Giannis, you trade literally everyone.

Correct, and focus on draft picks, even if you need to take on crap salary (you want crap salary, you know, to be bad). I hope we are never having this conversation BTW.

What good draft picks are out there for Giannis? The team trading for him won't have valuable picks if he stays there long term. If the option is dealing him for late firsts vs one more shot at a title I'm going with the latter.

[BucksRule18]

I'm not sure what to think. I think Giannis wants to win a championship this year, so I doubt he tells the Bucks he's not signing the extension next year before the trade deadline. What I mean is that if I'm Milwaukee I'm not trading Giannis for a fringe all star player and a bunch of number one draft picks from an elite team looking to win a championship in 2021. Those picks will likely be in the mid 20's anyway and not worth taking a chance at dealing your best player over the past 40 years before this season ends. Giannis also knows this and will do his best to win a championship with the Bucks this year instead of speaking out and potentially being dealt to a team like the Detroit Pistons.

Financially speaking it would make sense for Giannis to sign the supermax deal this offseason and ask for a trade next summer (if the Bucks fizzle out of the playoffs again). This would set him and his family financially and to not worry about long term injuries or team caps potentially going down next year due to lost revenue. However, in that scenario, I still don't see Giannis giving the Bucks all the power to trade him to a non contender for high lottery picks. I also don't see him wanting to cripple his future destination by having them give up elite players whom will help him win a championship.

If Giannis does not sign the supermax contract this offseason, I can see him being a good teammate and just pushing for a title this year with Milwaukee. If the Bucks win it all or lose in 7 to the Lakers/Clippers, he will likely resign with them. If they don't, then he will likely bet on himself and sign 1+1 year contract with an elite team and postpone his supermax contract by a couple of years.

[skones]

And if he doesn't sign on the line, Horst might be the dumbest **** on the planet.

Horst isn't making these decisions. He's the order taker.

And it's his job to sell Lasry on moves, and talk him out of them when they're bad.

[Touchpass]

It's not just Giannis, you trade literally everyone.

Correct, and focus on draft picks, even if you need to take on crap salary (you want crap salary, you know, to be bad). I hope we are never having this conversation BTW.

What good draft picks are out there for Giannis? The team trading for him won't have valuable picks if he stays there long term. If the option is dealing him for late firsts vs one more shot at a title I'm going with the latter.

You'd be looking for the young piece that OKC and NO got in SGA and Ingram. Then a bunch of picks in hopes something works out and one of them is a good pick. I'd have just played it out if we hadn't given all our future picks for Holiday. Those picks we gave away for Holiday were the prize for losing him for nothing.

You’d think most franchises wouldn’t make the Holiday trade without a guarantee from Giannis. Being it’s the Bucks, I’m terrified.

As I've said in a previous post a few days ago what if Giannis said through his agent I can't guarantee that I will sign the supermax but I guarantee I will not sign if you don't make huge moves to convince me. What would you do in this scenario? I think the same because of the fear and the pressure.

Even if this is the case I couldn't pull the trigger on the Jrue trade without a commitment. The value is just to crazy. We could be giving NO a top 10 pick for 4 years straight if Giannis walks. Seems like the Bucks either have a commitment or are comfortable with playing it out without a contract. I don't think they make the deal without a commitment and a fall back of we'll just trade Giannis before the season starts if he doesn't sign. Either they got him locked up or they just don't give a **** about the future without Giannis in it.

[BucksRule18]

Correct, and focus on draft picks, even if you need to take on crap salary (you want crap salary, you know, to be bad). I hope we are never having this conversation BTW.

What good draft picks are out there for Giannis? The team trading for him won't have valuable picks if he stays there long term. If the option is dealing him for late firsts vs one more shot at a title I'm going with the latter.

You'd be looking for the young piece that OKC and NO got in SGA and Ingram. Then a bunch of picks in hopes something works out and one of them is a good pick. I'd have just played it out if we hadn't given all our future picks for Holiday. Those picks we gave away for Holiday were the prize for losing him for nothing.

You’d think most franchises wouldn’t make the Holiday trade without a guarantee from Giannis. Being it’s the Bucks, I’m terrified.

As I've said in a previous post a few days ago what if Giannis said through his agent I can't guarantee that I will sign the supermax but I guarantee I will not sign if you don't make huge moves to convince me. What would you do in this scenario? I think the same because of the fear and the pressure.

Even if this is the case I couldn't pull the trigger on the Jrue trade without a commitment. The value is just to crazy. We could be giving NO a top 10 pick for 4 years straight if Giannis walks. Seems like the Bucks either have a commitment or are comfortable with playing it out without a contract. I don't think they make the deal without a commitment and a fall back of we'll just trade Giannis before the season starts if he doesn't sign. Either they got him locked up or they just don't give a **** about the future without Giannis in it.

Not to mention that if Giannis walks then so does Holiday. So Giannis not signing could potentially cost us 5 or 6 first round picks (assuming we could trade him for 3 or 4 first round picks).

[theFireBlanket]

If Giannis is gone, we might have the right Coach to keep winning 60+ games a year with Khris as the primary ball handler. Maybe we could offer Bam the max if Giannis tries going to Miami. Extend Jrue & move on.

[greekbuck34]

If Giannis is gone, we might have the right Coach to keep winning 60+ games a year with Khris as the primary ball handler. Maybe we could offer Bam the max if Giannis tries going to Miami. Extend Jrue & move on.

Bam is going to be an all star this season and we can't even sign Bogdan Bogdanovic. What makes you think he will choose the Giannisless bucks over his 3-4 other max offers? Hell I'm not sure even if Jrue will extend even with Giannis still on our team if we fail to reach the finals.

[BucksRule18]

If Giannis is gone, we might have the right Coach to keep winning 60+ games a year with Khris as the primary ball handler. Maybe we could offer Bam the max if Giannis tries going to Miami. Extend Jrue & move on.

I really can't see the Bucks signing any prominent free agents in the future. Greg Monroe was our last big splash, but we all know how that turned out. All of our top players have come via draft or trade. If Giannis walks, why would Jrue resign with us? Also, by losing all the draft picks we can't even rebuild from within.

[theFireBlanket]

If Giannis is gone, we might have the right Coach to keep winning 60+ games a year with Khris as the primary ball handler. Maybe we could offer Bam the max if Giannis tries going to Miami. Extend Jrue & move on.

I really can't see the Bucks signing any prominent free agents in the future. Greg Monroe was our last big splash, but we all know how that turned out. All of our top players have come via draft or trade. If Giannis walks, why would Jrue resign with us? Also, by losing all the draft picks we can't even rebuild from within.

You're selling Jrue & Bam on making the most money they'll get to play with Khris as the key cogs ofvthe team. Under a winning coach, & Jrue will have a season to experience what it's like to play with everyone else aside from Giannis. Keep buying second round picks. Bucks draft better in the late stages anyway.

[humanrefutation]

If Giannis is gone, we might have the right Coach to keep winning 60+ games a year with Khris as the primary ball handler. Maybe we could offer Bam the max if Giannis tries going to Miami. Extend Jrue & move on.

I really can't see the Bucks signing any prominent free agents in the future. Greg Monroe was our last big splash, but we all know how that turned out. All of our top players have come via draft or trade. If Giannis walks, why would Jrue resign with us? Also, by losing all the draft picks we can't even rebuild from within.

You're selling Jrue & Bam on making the most money they'll get to play with Khris as the key cogs ofvthe team. Under a winning coach, & Jrue will have a season to experience what it's like to play with everyone else aside from Giannis. Keep buying second round picks. Bucks draft better in the late stages anyway.

Bam isn't leaving Miami. They can afford to sign them both.

[DanoMac]

Man these discussions go off the rails so hard sometimes.

Still confident he will re-sign.

[BucksRule18]

If Giannis is gone, we might have the right Coach to keep winning 60+ games a year with Khris as the primary ball handler. Maybe we could offer Bam the max if Giannis tries going to Miami. Extend Jrue & move on.

I really can't see the Bucks signing any prominent free agents in the future. Greg Monroe was our last big splash, but we all know how that turned out. All of our top players have come via draft or trade. If Giannis walks, why would Jrue resign with us? Also, by losing all the draft picks we can't even rebuild from within.

You're selling Jrue & Bam on making the most money they'll get to play with Khris as the key cogs ofvthe team. Under a winning coach, & Jrue will have a season to experience what it's like to play with everyone else aside from Giannis. Keep buying second round picks. Bucks draft better in the late stages anyway.

I think I have a better chance of hitting the lottery than expecting Bam and Jrue to put all their hopes on winning a championship with Khris Middleton as your #1 guy.

[BucksRule18]

Man these discussions go off the rails so hard sometimes.

Still confident he will re-sign.

This offseason or next?

[theFireBlanket]

Giannis is my guy but I'm not retooling & dumping everyone without trying to win yet. Unless Giannis goes AD on us, it's do or die.

[Wooderson]

Correct, and focus on draft picks, even if you need to take on crap salary (you want crap salary, you know, to be bad). I hope we are never having this conversation BTW.

What good draft picks are out there for Giannis? The team trading for him won't have valuable picks if he stays there long term. If the option is dealing him for late firsts vs one more shot at a title I'm going with the latter.

You'd be looking for the young piece that OKC and NO got in SGA and Ingram. Then a bunch of picks in hopes something works out and one of them is a good pick. I'd have just played it out if we hadn't given all our future picks for Holiday. Those picks we gave away for Holiday were the prize for losing him for nothing.

Any proposals you can think of? Like I'm not even sure Miami would do Herro plus picks. If the Bucks are seeking out offers it's a sign Giannis is gone and a team like them or Dallas probably isn't gonna throw out a ton. If they think they have in roads to keeping him they would probably just wait since they are set to have cap space anyway.

I don't think there's an Anthony Davis like offer out there since that was a unique situation with LeBron and the Lakers.

[DanoMac]

Man these discussions go off the rails so hard sometimes.

Still confident he will re-sign.

This offseason or next?

This. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but there's just no way you mortgage that much of your future without some sort of internal commitment.

The wording from Windhorst & Stein has been "The Bucks are confident Giannis will sign the supermax before the Dec. 21 deadline".

The Bogdan stuff sucked, but we still have a good team and it was a good offseason. We got younger and we got shooting.

[ABucksFan]

I think its 50/50 right now if Giannis signs. Giannis wants to win a chip, that is clear. We've basically done all we can to make it happen proving to him that we're all in. I know lots of pundits are saying it's too much money to pass up 80M+, but let's take a look at who Giannis is. Came from poverty with nothing, I'm almost sure he already feels like this is more money than he could ever imagine, his family lived on less and he won't have to worry about future generations of his family as they're set. I don't think the max is that enticing to him he'd want to sign. It really all comes down to winning and honestly...what's best for his family. At the end of the day that's what Giannis is about winning and family. Like it or not the city of Milwaukee and it's current climate isn't helping much. That's all I'll say about that.

[theFireBlanket]

Windhorst reporting Anthony & LeBron are prepared to court Giannis if he's not signing the extension.

[ABucksFan]

Windhorst reporting Anthony & LeBron are prepared to court Giannis if he's not signing the extension.

I say this with 100% disrespect. **** the Lakers.

[mke_design]

Windhorst reporting Anthony & LeBron are prepared to court Giannis if he's not signing the extension.

You can just plug this into any team with any super star and you'll have the same result.