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Post#461 » by BoogieTime » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pm

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Yea, reading between the lines, sounds like Vivek and Aneel don't want to trade Buddy. And if Buddy remains a King, I look forward to him coming off the bench in the 2h when Haliburton is inserted into the starting line up.

Also, do think there is a 50.5% chance the Kings match Bogi and keep both Buddy and Bogi--not because McNair wants to, but that may be the only way to trade one or both later, because of Vivek's fondness for Buddy. I'd rather just let Bogi walk and trade Buddy as well.


Sounds like they want to retain Bogdan and the FO doesn’t

I don’t see anything about desiring to keep Buddy by mentioning his lack of trade market


Amick used the words "if there is no real viable market for Buddy" and ..."the premise that Buddy's trade market is non-existent. If true..."

He could very easily mentioned the above without throwing in Vivek and Aneel. If Buddy's market is non-existent, so be it. Why add Vivek and Aneel? If true...no real market...reading between the lines, seems to indicate not so much that there isn't a trade market, but rather Vivek and Aneel don't want to lower what they're asking for Buddy. In other words, they don't want to trade him while the Kings FO may be willing to punt Buddy and keep Bogi.


Vivek and Aneel are being mentioned because they are seemingly involved (meddling) in the process and probably need to be convinced keeping Bogdan isn’t a good idea - hence the timing of this during the 48 hour window

The whole segment comes from the perspective that because Buddy’s trade value is non existent, the Kings (FO) shouldn’t want to keep Bogdan. Meaning that someone, presumably ownership, wants to keep Bogdan, even though circumstances aren’t allowing it.

I’m not seeing how a “non existent” trade market equals a non good one.
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Post#462 » by wolves_89 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:51 pm

mademan wrote:i really dont see a reason not to keep Bogi if youre the kings, or at least get a sign and trade with some assets back. No real reason not to let him go for nothing.


The sign-and-trade option was off the table as soon as an offer sheet was signed. Now the only choice the Kings have is to match the offer or not. If they match, Bogdanovic can reject trades he doesn't like through next season making it more challenging to move him. Sacramento needs to decide if it's worth it to bring back a guy who doesn't want to be there and live with the turmoil that brings.
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Post#463 » by codydaze » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:53 pm

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mademan wrote:i really dont see a reason not to keep Bogi if youre the kings, or at least get a sign and trade with some assets back. No real reason not to let him go for nothing.


The sign-and-trade option was off the table as soon as an offer sheet was signed. Now the only choice the Kings have is to match the offer or not. If they match, Bogdanovic can reject trades he doesn't like through next season. Sacramento needs to decide if it's worth it to bring back a guy who doesn't want to be there and live with the turmoil that brings.


This is why I don't think we match. Bringing Bogi back with Buddy here too clogs up minutes for Haliburton who we should prioritizing development minutes for since he and Fox look like the backcourt of the future in Sacramento. Go young and bottom out this year and hope for a top pick next year. No reason to be stuck in the purgatory of drafting 10-14 every year.
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Post#464 » by slos » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:01 pm

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mademan wrote:i really dont see a reason not to keep Bogi if youre the kings, or at least get a sign and trade with some assets back. No real reason not to let him go for nothing.


The sign-and-trade option was off the table as soon as an offer sheet was signed. Now the only choice the Kings have is to match the offer or not. If they match, Bogdanovic can reject trades he doesn't like through next season making it more challenging to move him. Sacramento needs to decide if it's worth it to bring back a guy who doesn't want to be there and live with the turmoil that brings.


I can't see more than 5 teams that Bogdan would reject to depart from Sacramento and probably these are the only 5 teams that wouldn't make an offer for him. If Bogdan was OK to go to Atlanta, he will accept any trade to a better team than Sacramento. I think I can name 24 of them.
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Post#465 » by loserX » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:09 pm

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Post#466 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:21 pm

slos wrote:
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mademan wrote:i really dont see a reason not to keep Bogi if youre the kings, or at least get a sign and trade with some assets back. No real reason not to let him go for nothing.


The sign-and-trade option was off the table as soon as an offer sheet was signed. Now the only choice the Kings have is to match the offer or not. If they match, Bogdanovic can reject trades he doesn't like through next season making it more challenging to move him. Sacramento needs to decide if it's worth it to bring back a guy who doesn't want to be there and live with the turmoil that brings.


I can't see more than 5 teams that Bogdan would reject to depart from Sacramento and probably these are the only 5 teams that wouldn't make an offer for him. If Bogdan was OK to go to Atlanta, he will accept any trade to a better team than Sacramento. I think I can name 24 of them.



There are many more reasons for Bogdan to possibly refuse a trade to a place. Could be they don’t play a style that suits him. Or he doesn’t get along with the coaches there. Or he has no interest in living in that city. Or that they have a ton of players at his position and he doesn’t want to set his career back. And more and more.
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Post#467 » by blind prophet » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:29 pm

mademan wrote:i really dont see a reason not to keep Bogi if youre the kings, or at least get a sign and trade with some assets back. No real reason not to let him go for nothing.


Well with the trade kicker added his contract per year is around 19 million of a hit to move him?

Is that a positive value contract?

I don't think it is, so then you are gambling that in the future you can get something for him, or stuck with him. So in a trade you would probably get worse loot for what sort of asset?

Compound that with Buddy & him together and a depreciation of both values potentially because they get into each others way.

Neither really are an age match to Fox's age and timeline. You've got Haliburton to develop, they both take time away from that.

There's no way the Kings make the playoffs this year.

Can't S&T as far as I know once an offer sheet has been signed either, so that's out the window.
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Post#468 » by Asif16 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:41 pm

So....is this it? Any more big moves gonna happen from now to the start of the Season ya'll think?

Are the rosters pretty much set
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Post#469 » by slos » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:42 pm

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The sign-and-trade option was off the table as soon as an offer sheet was signed. Now the only choice the Kings have is to match the offer or not. If they match, Bogdanovic can reject trades he doesn't like through next season making it more challenging to move him. Sacramento needs to decide if it's worth it to bring back a guy who doesn't want to be there and live with the turmoil that brings.


I can't see more than 5 teams that Bogdan would reject to depart from Sacramento and probably these are the only 5 teams that wouldn't make an offer for him. If Bogdan was OK to go to Atlanta, he will accept any trade to a better team than Sacramento. I think I can name 24 of them.



There are many more reasons for Bogdan to possibly refuse a trade to a place. Could be they don’t play a style that suits him. Or he doesn’t get along with the coaches there. Or he has no interest in living in that city. Or that they have a ton of players at his position and he doesn’t want to set his career back. And more and more.


I guess that X team's coaches who don't get along with Bogdan and play a style that doesn't suit him and have a ton of players at his position, won't ever make an offer for Bogdan. I get your argument about the city, but he already agreed to go to Atlanta. Not LA, not Miami, not New York. Also that city argument is strong only for Americans.

If I were the Kings I wouldn't be afraid of Bogdan having any power to reject a trade. Bogs had his priorities. First he wanted to get paid, then he wanted to play for a good team. No lottery team will ever spend assets for him. It will be at least a borderline playoff team or most likely a contender and Bogs will have no reason to reject. Actually he will even reject any trade kicker if it is required from X contender team.

IMO Atlanta lowballed with clauses instead of big money and Sacramento has to match this. And this doesn't change their plan for Haliburton. If he's ready he can start with Fox and push both Bogdan/Hield to the bench. Sacramento needs to take it slow. They will be paid sooner or later from both Bogdan and Hield. No rush for this.
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Post#470 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:44 pm

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Who is the last player that asked out where the team said "we're trading him"?

Russ and PG happened very quietly. AD, maybe? It was the worst kept secret in the world, but I don't know that I remember them saying anything overt about him getting traded.
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Post#471 » by loserX » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:45 pm

Asif16 wrote:So....is this it? Any more big moves gonna happen from now to the start of the Season ya'll think?

Are the rosters pretty much set


The Bogdan Bogdanovic offer sheet still needs to be resolved, though even if he is matched by Sacramento they can't trade him for a while (or at all without his permission, or to Atlanta for a year whether he wants it or not).

The Hayward situation also needs to play out. Is Charlotte just going to stretch Batum and sign Hayward outright? Are they going to stretch Batum and work an S&T with Boston? Or are they going to find another way to cut salary, with Boston's help or without?

Now that the FA market is basically down to vet min guys, we *may* see some trades from teams that have trading as their only avenue to improve talent. Otherwise teams may want to start playing before making more moves.
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Post#472 » by Stanq » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:51 pm

loserX wrote:
Asif16 wrote:So....is this it? Any more big moves gonna happen from now to the start of the Season ya'll think?

Are the rosters pretty much set


The Bogdan Bogdanovic offer sheet still needs to be resolved, though even if he is matched by Sacramento they can't trade him for a while (or at all without his permission, or to Atlanta for a year whether he wants it or not).

The Hayward situation also needs to play out. Is Charlotte just going to stretch Batum and sign Hayward outright? Are they going to stretch Batum and work an S&T with Boston? Or are they going to find another way to cut salary, with Boston's help or without?

Now that the FA market is basically down to vet min guys, we *may* see some trades from teams that have trading as their only avenue to improve talent. Otherwise teams may want to start playing before making more moves.


If Charlotte ends up buying out Batum, he will be a name we`ll see floating around that contenders would like to sign, and thus making for a couple more interesting days of free agency.
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Post#473 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:01 pm

Non-Americans understand more about the difference in American cities/regions than you think mate. Especially those who have been playing here for years.

The idea that all European players go NY/LA/Everywhere else is laughable. Not to mention their agents are quite familiar with each of the organizations. It's at the very root where a lot of these guys get drafted in the first place. Luka sought out Dallas for instance based on the Mavs international reputation.

Bogdan will have earned his temporary NTC and this idea that the Kings can just match him and move him at their heart's desire in a couple months is a risky one.
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Post#474 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:02 pm

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loserX wrote:FWIW:

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Who is the last player that asked out where the team said "we're trading him"?

Russ and PG happened very quietly. AD, maybe? It was the worst kept secret in the world, but I don't know that I remember them saying anything overt about him getting traded.


Delon Wright. :D
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Post#475 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:09 pm

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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Morris a big key when Lakers want to play 5 out. Think they give one spot to Dudley and try to get a wing or center.


PG: LeBron, Schroeder
SG: KCP, Caruso, THT
SF: Matthews, McKinnie
PF: AD, Kuzma, Markieff
C : Gasol, Harrell, Bell

They seem maxed out at PF/C unless waiving Bell.

They have a lot to do at backup SF and could do with another PG. They still don't have the 5m from Deng. Maybe they go in to season with these guys and use 5m for buy outs if it comes.

Bell contract not guranteed and isn't better than Morris.

Think depth chart more like the following based on positions guarded and sub rotations.

PG: KCP, Schroeder
SG: Matthews, Caruso, THT
SF: Lebron, Kuzma
PF: AD,Markieff
C : Gasol, Harrell

Don't really see Bell or McKinnie playing.
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Post#476 » by loserX » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:11 pm

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Post#477 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:17 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
loserX wrote:FWIW:

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Who is the last player that asked out where the team said "we're trading him"?

Russ and PG happened very quietly. AD, maybe? It was the worst kept secret in the world, but I don't know that I remember them saying anything overt about him getting traded.
I mean the Wizards just paid John Wall $75M to rehab an injury over a two-year period, they make a public statement that they're rebuilding around Beal (who is the better player), and Wall has the balls to *demand* a trade?

I'm sorry but this is farcical.

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Post#478 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:20 pm

loserX wrote:Release the vet mins!

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Okay this one is just weird.
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Post#479 » by K_chile22 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:38 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
loserX wrote:FWIW:

Read on Twitter


Who is the last player that asked out where the team said "we're trading him"?

Russ and PG happened very quietly. AD, maybe? It was the worst kept secret in the world, but I don't know that I remember them saying anything overt about him getting traded.


Delon Wright. :D
He asked out??
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Post#480 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:41 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Morris a big key when Lakers want to play 5 out. Think they give one spot to Dudley and try to get a wing or center.


PG: LeBron, Schroeder
SG: KCP, Caruso, THT
SF: Matthews, McKinnie
PF: AD, Kuzma, Markieff
C : Gasol, Harrell, Bell

They seem maxed out at PF/C unless waiving Bell.

They have a lot to do at backup SF and could do with another PG. They still don't have the 5m from Deng. Maybe they go in to season with these guys and use 5m for buy outs if it comes.

Bell contract not guranteed and isn't better than Morris.

Think depth chart more like the following based on positions guarded and sub rotations.

PG: KCP, Schroeder
SG: Matthews, Caruso, THT
SF: Lebron, Kuzma
PF: AD,Markieff
C : Gasol, Harrell

Don't really see Bell or McKinnie playing.


Would be shocked if Scroeder isn't starting.

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