Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[SOUL]

Or maybe he's gonna see the way we shoot and then "not trust his teammates".

Honestly that wouldn't be anything new here. A lot of guys didn't trust teammates or move the ball so that would be a very normal thing on the Magic.

Just saying, I would be very surprised if he got a substantial amount of shots up and didn't play within the team. I just don't get that we want an alpha scorer and player but when someone comes in that threatens to do that, we're arguing about it? He isn't going to go rogue and shoot 20 times a game.

Now, his capabilities as a scorer and what it holds for us in the future is totally up for question, but that's for every rookie that was drafted. Every fanbase has doubters/hopefuls and we will see how they all pan out.

[Skin]

Or maybe he's gonna see the way we shoot and then "not trust his teammates".

Honestly that wouldn't be anything new here. A lot of guys didn't trust teammates or move the ball so that would be a very normal thing on the Magic.

Just saying, I would be very surprised if he got a substantial amount of shots up and didn't play within the team. I just don't get that we want an alpha scorer and player but when someone comes in that threatens to do that, we're arguing about it? He isn't going to go rogue and shoot 20 times a game.

Now, his capabilities as a scorer and what it holds for us in the future is totally up for question, but that's for every rookie that was drafted. Every fanbase has doubters/hopefuls and we will see how they all pan out.

I might be taking it out on Cole, but honestly I just have had enough of watching Henny's team. I'd rather watch Cole take 40 shots if it meant Evan, Ross, AG, and Vuc were all gone.

[zaymon]

Or maybe he's gonna see the way we shoot and then "not trust his teammates".

Honestly that wouldn't be anything new here. A lot of guys didn't trust teammates or move the ball so that would be a very normal thing on the Magic.

Just saying, I would be very surprised if he got a substantial amount of shots up and didn't play within the team. I just don't get that we want an alpha scorer and player but when someone comes in that threatens to do that, we're arguing about it? He isn't going to go rogue and shoot 20 times a game.

Now, his capabilities as a scorer and what it holds for us in the future is totally up for question, but that's for every rookie that was drafted. Every fanbase has doubters/hopefuls and we will see how they all pan out.

I might be taking it out on Cole, but honestly I just have had enough of watching Henny's team. I'd rather watch Cole take 40 shots if it meant Evan, Ross, AG, and Vuc were all gone.

I would rather not make changes only becouse we are bored. All our additions were offense based.

[JBSouthpaw]

Or maybe he's gonna see the way we shoot and then "not trust his teammates".

Honestly that wouldn't be anything new here. A lot of guys didn't trust teammates or move the ball so that would be a very normal thing on the Magic.

Just saying, I would be very surprised if he got a substantial amount of shots up and didn't play within the team. I just don't get that we want an alpha scorer and player but when someone comes in that threatens to do that, we're arguing about it? He isn't going to go rogue and shoot 20 times a game.

Now, his capabilities as a scorer and what it holds for us in the future is totally up for question, but that's for every rookie that was drafted. Every fanbase has doubters/hopefuls and we will see how they all pan out.

I might be taking it out on Cole, but honestly I just have had enough of watching Henny's team. I'd rather watch Cole take 40 shots if it meant Evan, Ross, AG, and Vuc were all gone.

Not as dire as you, but I'm heading down that hill. When was it we truly let a rookie play through it?
Payton? 14-15, 6 years ago!! He got 31mpg
AG only got 17mpg his rookie year
Mario got 17 a game.
We sat J.I., Mamba and Okeke for a year each.

Playing the young guys can not hurt this year,
Need to see if Fultz deserves a contract.
What does Mo have?

It's not like it's going to effect attendance.

[zaymon]

Honestly that wouldn't be anything new here. A lot of guys didn't trust teammates or move the ball so that would be a very normal thing on the Magic.

Just saying, I would be very surprised if he got a substantial amount of shots up and didn't play within the team. I just don't get that we want an alpha scorer and player but when someone comes in that threatens to do that, we're arguing about it? He isn't going to go rogue and shoot 20 times a game.

Now, his capabilities as a scorer and what it holds for us in the future is totally up for question, but that's for every rookie that was drafted. Every fanbase has doubters/hopefuls and we will see how they all pan out.

I might be taking it out on Cole, but honestly I just have had enough of watching Henny's team. I'd rather watch Cole take 40 shots if it meant Evan, Ross, AG, and Vuc were all gone.

Not as dire as you, but I'm heading down that hill. When was it we truly let a rookie play through it?
Payton? 14-15, 6 years ago!! He got 31mpg
AG only got 17mpg his rookie year
Mario got 17 a game.
We sat J.I., Mamba and Okeke for a year each.

Playing the young guys can not hurt this year,
Need to see if Fultz deserves a contract.
What does Mo have?

It's not like it's going to effect attendance.

Isaac started his rookie year, Fultz started his first year here, Bamba got more than he deserved his rookie year here, Okeke was injured.

[basketballRob]

If Cole shoots 33% from 3 and 39% from the field, I think it'll be a success.

We were 22nd in team offense and 9th in defense. We need to get the offense in the top 10.

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[Knightro]

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Yeah he took 24 shots right off the bat. 11 3PTA.

So he knew right away that his teammates sucked? Your excuse for him has nothing to do with how well he played or didn't play. Feel free to answer my question on how you think he developed this so called knowledge that he thought his teammates sucked so was forced to play hero ball.

Or just admit that it's just a hopeful excuse.

I want to be hopeful that he'll be good too, but let's not make up stuff. He came to UNC as the big star, none of the other top recruits wanted to follow him, he had the green light to do whatever he wanted and he showed that he's more about himself than the team.

You do realize that citing the first game doesn't actually back up your point, right?

Anthony made 50% of his shots in that game which UNC won. His teammates combined to shoot 42% for the game.

There are many other games, including several right after the first one, that actually do back up your point. But the first one backs up my point.

His effectiveness of the 1st game is besides the point. The fact that he took that many shots unconsciously shows it's in his mindset... it's not because "he didn't trust his teammates"... a point you were trying to stress.

Him using "I had bad teammates" as an excuse it just distasteful. I've NEVER ever heard that being an excuse for other prospects.

Cole is the alpha that you've been clamouring for for years now. He's the guy with the mindset to go get a bucket, and a strong enough skill base for that to be a possibility. It's not an efficient one, but that's the journey.

He comes with a pro's mindset and a hunger to take and make shots. I don't think he'll have trouble trusting Ross or the others he has to pass to, but when that 2nd unit ends up either waiting for Ross to try to get open or otherwise standing around, we now have a guy who can get into the paint and attack the rim to try open things up more.

I don't know if he'll be good, but I think we'll come to like him. I'm quite surprised you're not more gung-ho on his scoring mentality. At least now we've got a player who's probably already got the confidence to take a game winning shot, so we don't have to rely on Fournier trying to take over 4th quarters. That alone will be welcome.

[basketballRob]

It's a good sign that Cole averaged more FTA than even the guys like Edwards.

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[Skin]

You do realize that citing the first game doesn't actually back up your point, right?

Anthony made 50% of his shots in that game which UNC won. His teammates combined to shoot 42% for the game.

There are many other games, including several right after the first one, that actually do back up your point. But the first one backs up my point.

His effectiveness of the 1st game is besides the point. The fact that he took that many shots unconsciously shows it's in his mindset... it's not because "he didn't trust his teammates"... a point you were trying to stress.

Him using "I had bad teammates" as an excuse it just distasteful. I've NEVER ever heard that being an excuse for other prospects.

Cole is the alpha that you've been clamouring for for years now. He's the guy with the mindset to go get a bucket, and a strong enough skill base for that to be a possibility. It's not an efficient one, but that's the journey.

He comes with a pro's mindset and a hunger to take and make shots. I don't think he'll have trouble trusting Ross or the others he has to pass to, but when that 2nd unit ends up either waiting for Ross to try to get open or otherwise standing around, we now have a guy who can get into the paint and attack the rim to try open things up more.

I don't know if he'll be good, but I think we'll come to like him. I'm quite surprised you're not more gung-ho on his scoring mentality. At least now we've got a player who's probably already got the confidence to take a game winning shot, so we don't have to rely on Fournier trying to take over 4th quarters. That alone will be welcome.

I think I just need to watch more of Toronto's highlights to see how Lowry and FVF made it work. You're right. We finally got the type I've been begging for. ...I just didn't know he would be 6'1.5 with a 6'4 WS. The mindset to be a volume shooter is a legit skill imo. I know he has that.

[yoyojw17]

His effectiveness of the 1st game is besides the point. The fact that he took that many shots unconsciously shows it's in his mindset... it's not because "he didn't trust his teammates"... a point you were trying to stress.

Him using "I had bad teammates" as an excuse it just distasteful. I've NEVER ever heard that being an excuse for other prospects.

Cole is the alpha that you've been clamouring for for years now. He's the guy with the mindset to go get a bucket, and a strong enough skill base for that to be a possibility. It's not an efficient one, but that's the journey.

He comes with a pro's mindset and a hunger to take and make shots. I don't think he'll have trouble trusting Ross or the others he has to pass to, but when that 2nd unit ends up either waiting for Ross to try to get open or otherwise standing around, we now have a guy who can get into the paint and attack the rim to try open things up more.

I don't know if he'll be good, but I think we'll come to like him. I'm quite surprised you're not more gung-ho on his scoring mentality. At least now we've got a player who's probably already got the confidence to take a game winning shot, so we don't have to rely on Fournier trying to take over 4th quarters. That alone will be welcome.

I think I just need to watch more of Toronto's highlights to see how Lowry and FVF made it work. You're right. We finally got the type I've been begging for. ...I just didn't know he would be 6'1.5 with a 6'4 WS. The mindset to be a volume shooter is a legit skill imo. I know he has that.

yup. and both those guards are 6' with 6'2" wingspans... and thankfully we have a fultz that is 6'4 with a 6'9" wingspan to take the other 2 guard assignments.

the one thing i really wanna see with him is.... his influence on Mo Bamba. People have given him a lot of flack for seeming lackluster... I wouldn't be surprised if the Cole affect trickles down. and that actually goes for everyone on the team. He seems like a good kid that's just wired to hoop... cuz he's in love with the sport.

[basketballRob]

Anthony is 3 1/2 inches taller than DJ.

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[pepe1991]

You do realize that citing the first game doesn't actually back up your point, right?

Anthony made 50% of his shots in that game which UNC won. His teammates combined to shoot 42% for the game.

There are many other games, including several right after the first one, that actually do back up your point. But the first one backs up my point.

His effectiveness of the 1st game is besides the point. The fact that he took that many shots unconsciously shows it's in his mindset... it's not because "he didn't trust his teammates"... a point you were trying to stress.

Him using "I had bad teammates" as an excuse it just distasteful. I've NEVER ever heard that being an excuse for other prospects.

Cole is the alpha that you've been clamouring for for years now. He's the guy with the mindset to go get a bucket, and a strong enough skill base for that to be a possibility. It's not an efficient one, but that's the journey.

He comes with a pro's mindset and a hunger to take and make shots. I don't think he'll have trouble trusting Ross or the others he has to pass to, but when that 2nd unit ends up either waiting for Ross to try to get open or otherwise standing around, we now have a guy who can get into the paint and attack the rim to try open things up more.

I don't know if he'll be good, but I think we'll come to like him. I'm quite surprised you're not more gung-ho on his scoring mentality. At least now we've got a player who's probably already got the confidence to take a game winning shot, so we don't have to rely on Fournier trying to take over 4th quarters. That alone will be welcome.

Mindset of pro isn't how to take as many jumpshot but how to play basketball in fashion that involves and uses what you got in best way possible.
Can we not present chucking as heroic?
Throwing hot bricks in the air while in same time only having 4 assists as point guard is not heroic, inspiring or smart. It's being arrogant, ignorant and flat out dumb player.

IF throwing bricks in the air is heroic, Ish Smith might be Superman.

I'm 100% sure that Magic bench will be way worst this year than last year and nobody will feel impact of DJ departure more than Bamba. Guy just played with one of best playmaking backup PGs and will now be stuck with guy who only looks for his shots and can't run offense.

Expecting something like - 5 net rating of that two men duo.

[SOUL]

Guy just played with one of best playmaking backup PGs

[basketballRob]

DJ and MCW both were terrible at creating last year on the second unit. I remember watching DJ throw the ball to Birch 3 times at the top of the key, on one possession. I watched MCW dribble the clock down several times and then get frustrated and try to drive to the basket.

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[JBSouthpaw]

I might be taking it out on Cole, but honestly I just have had enough of watching Henny's team. I'd rather watch Cole take 40 shots if it meant Evan, Ross, AG, and Vuc were all gone.

Not as dire as you, but I'm heading down that hill. When was it we truly let a rookie play through it?
Payton? 14-15, 6 years ago!! He got 31mpg
AG only got 17mpg his rookie year
Mario got 17 a game.
We sat J.I., Mamba and Okeke for a year each.

Playing the young guys can not hurt this year,
Need to see if Fultz deserves a contract.
What does Mo have?

It's not like it's going to effect attendance.

Isaac started his rookie year, Fultz started his first year here, Bamba got more than he deserved his rookie year here, Okeke was injured.

Fultz wasn't a rookie
J.I. played in 17 games is rookie year, under 20 min.
I agree about Bamba, but it wasn't much.
I'm talking 25 min per game, where they have a true impact.

[SOUL]

DJ and MCW both were terrible at creating last year on the second unit. I remember watching DJ throw the ball to Birch 3 times at the top of the key, on one possession. I watched MCW dribble the clock down several times and then get frustrated and try to drive to the basket.

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DJ certainly has his pluses - can shoot (down numbers last year but can shoot well), gets to the line well, for his size can get to the rim but gets blocked a lot, can hit big shots under pressure and brings vet calmness/presence.

But yeah, calling him "one of the "best backup playmakers" is just wrong. You can count 5-10 times a game where his pass is 1-2 seconds late after someone flashes open, an easy lob play isn't made because of his size, or Vucevic having to bend all the way down to pick up a ball at his feet because DJ did his patented behind the back pass that wasn't spot on.

[Skin]

His effectiveness of the 1st game is besides the point. The fact that he took that many shots unconsciously shows it's in his mindset... it's not because "he didn't trust his teammates"... a point you were trying to stress.

Him using "I had bad teammates" as an excuse it just distasteful. I've NEVER ever heard that being an excuse for other prospects.

Cole is the alpha that you've been clamouring for for years now. He's the guy with the mindset to go get a bucket, and a strong enough skill base for that to be a possibility. It's not an efficient one, but that's the journey.

He comes with a pro's mindset and a hunger to take and make shots. I don't think he'll have trouble trusting Ross or the others he has to pass to, but when that 2nd unit ends up either waiting for Ross to try to get open or otherwise standing around, we now have a guy who can get into the paint and attack the rim to try open things up more.

I don't know if he'll be good, but I think we'll come to like him. I'm quite surprised you're not more gung-ho on his scoring mentality. At least now we've got a player who's probably already got the confidence to take a game winning shot, so we don't have to rely on Fournier trying to take over 4th quarters. That alone will be welcome.

Mindset of pro isn't how to take as many jumpshot but how to play basketball in fashion that involves and uses what you got in best way possible.
Can we not present chucking as heroic?
Throwing hot bricks in the air while in same time only having 4 assists as point guard is not heroic, inspiring or smart. It's being arrogant, ignorant and flat out dumb player.

IF throwing bricks in the air is heroic, Ish Smith might be Superman.

I'm 100% sure that Magic bench will be way worst this year than last year and nobody will feel impact of DJ departure more than Bamba. Guy just played with one of best playmaking backup PGs and will now be stuck with guy who only looks for his shots and can't run offense.

Expecting something like - 5 net rating of that two men duo.

Cole and Bamba are close from their New York HS days playing on the same team and stuff. Bamba was texting him back and forth through the draft. I think their connection will be fine.

But yeah... chucking is not a skill and I am praying he's not the short version of another C. Anthony from NY....Carmelo.

[Knightro]

It's a good sign that Cole averaged more FTA than even the guys like Edwards.

Anthony did have the highest FT rate among the top guard prospects

Anthony: .371
Maxey: .342
Edwards: .339
Hayes: .313
Lewis: .292
Hampton: .264
Ball: .237
Vassell: .221
Haliburton: .184

[Bakomagic]

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You guys see that ?

After using the imaginary pick he didn’t even look to see if the imaginary roll was open in the lane (he was) and just immediately shot.

Freaking Chucker !