OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[BigBoss23]

Reading this thread shows me a lot about some of the people on this board.

People need to understand that the virus is the reason for the economic and human pain that we're all dealing with. For those who want to open everything up and say well I'm healthy so I'm good is blind to the ramifications of that type of thinking. There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way. God forbid Covid hit one of our players on the Raptors and it caused them to have severe problems after catching the disease that could shorten their career.

Then we have the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, they are very susceptible to the virus and can die from it. If we don't take appropriate measures the loss of live will and is great. By saying screw restrictions is you telling them that their lives aren't worth it.

All I will say is this, we as a species need to come together and work to fight this virus and do it for your family members, friends, co-workers and neighbours. Whether you like this or not we're all in this together and we can't get out of it unless we follow public health guideline's.

Wrong.

A large part of the economic/social pain falls on the government. Easy to covid shame people on the internet for the government's own incompetence. Is it selfish when people vote for elections? Because they're voting for who is best for them. The truth is, in a capitalist economy there's no such thing as "we". Its a political farce and all PR. If we were really in this together then government officials should be giving up their salary to businesses they closed with a sledgehammer.

Guess who is responsible for ensuring our health care system has sufficient resourcing? That's right its the goverment. They've had 8 months since March and nothing was done about it.

My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

If the gov't doesnt target the real problem areas (LTC/retirement homes, industrial work settings, schools/daycares, int'l flights incoming etc) and instead decides to target low hanging fruit making them scapegoats, then guess what? You are going to get lots of push back. Because many of their unilateral decisions make zero sense and are counterproductive. And you are not getting to the root cause of the issue.

Guess what's going to happen when they open up again? Cases will go up because the root cause hasnt been mitigated or addressed properly. Instead of focusing on the mass hysteria created by Karens/the media/politicians, those with a strategic mind know you look at the statistics for the overall health of all demographics and not busy focusing on finding scapegoats so that you give the illusion of doing something. If the government really cared about health they'd ban cigarettes for starters, but they make too much tax money off that.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

[YogiStewart]

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[ItsDanger]

Reading this thread shows me a lot about some of the people on this board.

People need to understand that the virus is the reason for the economic and human pain that we're all dealing with. For those who want to open everything up and say well I'm healthy so I'm good is blind to the ramifications of that type of thinking. There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way. God forbid Covid hit one of our players on the Raptors and it caused them to have severe problems after catching the disease that could shorten their career.

Then we have the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, they are very susceptible to the virus and can die from it. If we don't take appropriate measures the loss of live will and is great. By saying screw restrictions is you telling them that their lives aren't worth it.

All I will say is this, we as a species need to come together and work to fight this virus and do it for your family members, friends, co-workers and neighbours. Whether you like this or not we're all in this together and we can't get out of it unless we follow public health guideline's.

Reading this thread, its clear that many people do not spend much time around the elderly.

[M3tro]

Reading this thread shows me a lot about some of the people on this board.

People need to understand that the virus is the reason for the economic and human pain that we're all dealing with. For those who want to open everything up and say well I'm healthy so I'm good is blind to the ramifications of that type of thinking. There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way. God forbid Covid hit one of our players on the Raptors and it caused them to have severe problems after catching the disease that could shorten their career.

Then we have the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, they are very susceptible to the virus and can die from it. If we don't take appropriate measures the loss of live will and is great. By saying screw restrictions is you telling them that their lives aren't worth it.

All I will say is this, we as a species need to come together and work to fight this virus and do it for your family members, friends, co-workers and neighbours. Whether you like this or not we're all in this together and we can't get out of it unless we follow public health guideline's.

Wrong.

A large part of the economic/social pain falls on the government. Easy to covid shame people on the internet for the government's own incompetence. Is it selfish when people vote for elections? Because they're voting for who is best for them. The truth is, in a capitalist economy there's no such thing as "we". Its a political farce and all PR. If we were really in this together then government officials should be giving up their salary to businesses they closed with a sledgehammer.

Guess who is responsible for ensuring our health care system has sufficient resourcing? That's right its the goverment. They've had 8 months since March and nothing was done about it.

My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

If the gov't doesnt target the real problem areas (LTC/retirement homes, industrial work settings, schools/daycares, int'l flights incoming etc) and instead decides to target low hanging fruit making them scapegoats, then guess what? You are going to get lots of push back. Because many of their unilateral decisions make zero sense and are counterproductive. And you are not getting to the root cause of the issue.

Guess what's going to happen when they open up again? Cases will go up because the root cause hasnt been mitigated or addressed properly. Instead of focusing on the mass hysteria created by Karens/the media/politicians, those with a strategic mind know you look at the statistics for the overall health of all demographics and not busy focusing on finding scapegoats so that you give the illusion of doing something. If the government really cared about health they'd ban cigarettes for starters, but they make too much tax money off that.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

It's actually funny because most of the people defending the government measures are the same people who will bitch and whine about all kinds of systemic injustices. Walking contradictions.

Ask the Natives in Canada and Blacks in the US about how much we should trust our government.

[Fairview4Life]

What? There have been a lot of criticisms of "the government" here in this very thread from people saying we should do more to control the spread of Covid. You have this very stupid impression in your head that this is a battle of freedom loving objective rationalists vs. crazy government loving sheep.

[Johnny Bball]

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My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

And this is why it's not on you....and has to be government directed. Metaphorically, this is you and your parents should be living in the basement because you are incapable of rational thought.

As an example, as for your ideas how the virus is spreading... you know that the have records of every single case they can track and it's not just mainly airports, nursing homes, schools etc. as you contend that its spreading from right? Fro example, there have been cases at 14% of schools and when there is an outbreak they close that particular school.

Government better care, because obviously some children do not.

[BigBoss23]

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My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

And this is why it's not on you....and has to be government directed. Metaphorically, this is you and your parents should be living in the basement because you are incapable of rational thought.

As an example, as for your ideas how the virus is spreading... you know that the have records of every single case they can track and it's not just mainly airports, nursing homes, schools etc. as you contend that its spreading from right? Fro example, there have been cases at 14% of schools and when there is an outbreak they close that particular school.

Government better care, because obviously some children do not.

Sure thing bud, you do you.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

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My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

And this is why it's not on you....and has to be government directed. Metaphorically, this is you and your parents should be living in the basement because you are incapable of rational thought.

As an example, as for your ideas how the virus is spreading... you know that the have records of every single case they can track and it's not just mainly airports, nursing homes, schools etc. as you contend that its spreading from right? Fro example, there have been cases at 14% of schools and when there is an outbreak they close that particular school.

Government better care, because obviously some children do not.

Sure thing bud, you do you.

everyone has the right to drive their car however they want....drunk, distracted, etc.... If you don't like the way I drive, take public transit or stay home. And those car fatalities and road closures?....meh, just some people who the government didn't protect.

you do you bud.

[BigBoss23]

And this is why it's not on you....and has to be government directed. Metaphorically, this is you and your parents should be living in the basement because you are incapable of rational thought.

As an example, as for your ideas how the virus is spreading... you know that the have records of every single case they can track and it's not just mainly airports, nursing homes, schools etc. as you contend that its spreading from right? Fro example, there have been cases at 14% of schools and when there is an outbreak they close that particular school.

Government better care, because obviously some children do not.

Sure thing bud, you do you.

everyone has the right to drive their car however they want....drunk, distracted, etc.... If you don't like the way I drive, take public transit or stay home. And those car fatalities and road closures?....meh, just some people who the government didn't protect.

you do you bud.

I have and will continue doing so, just like all the “crazies” here.

[KL78192020]

Reading this thread shows me a lot about some of the people on this board.

People need to understand that the virus is the reason for the economic and human pain that we're all dealing with. For those who want to open everything up and say well I'm healthy so I'm good is blind to the ramifications of that type of thinking. There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way. God forbid Covid hit one of our players on the Raptors and it caused them to have severe problems after catching the disease that could shorten their career.

Then we have the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, they are very susceptible to the virus and can die from it. If we don't take appropriate measures the loss of live will and is great. By saying screw restrictions is you telling them that their lives aren't worth it.

All I will say is this, we as a species need to come together and work to fight this virus and do it for your family members, friends, co-workers and neighbours. Whether you like this or not we're all in this together and we can't get out of it unless we follow public health guideline's.

The problem is the gov't handling of this is stupid. I still haven't seen exact data for where all the cases are coming from specifically. Closing restaurants and stores but keeping factories and warehouses is just as stupid. Cases in Peel have originated from those places.

Again how does closing Toronto and Peel stop the spread? People are going to other communities. It literally takes a few minutes to go to a neighboring region. Ford gov't and Trudeau gov't have failed miserably at handling this second phase.

We still have flights coming in with active covid cases yet nothing is being done at the airport.

[BigBoss23]

Reading this thread shows me a lot about some of the people on this board.

People need to understand that the virus is the reason for the economic and human pain that we're all dealing with. For those who want to open everything up and say well I'm healthy so I'm good is blind to the ramifications of that type of thinking. There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way. God forbid Covid hit one of our players on the Raptors and it caused them to have severe problems after catching the disease that could shorten their career.

Then we have the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, they are very susceptible to the virus and can die from it. If we don't take appropriate measures the loss of live will and is great. By saying screw restrictions is you telling them that their lives aren't worth it.

All I will say is this, we as a species need to come together and work to fight this virus and do it for your family members, friends, co-workers and neighbours. Whether you like this or not we're all in this together and we can't get out of it unless we follow public health guideline's.

Wrong.

A large part of the economic/social pain falls on the government. Easy to covid shame people on the internet for the government's own incompetence. Is it selfish when people vote for elections? Because they're voting for who is best for them. The truth is, in a capitalist economy there's no such thing as "we". Its a political farce and all PR. If we were really in this together then government officials should be giving up their salary to businesses they closed with a sledgehammer.

Guess who is responsible for ensuring our health care system has sufficient resourcing? That's right its the goverment. They've had 8 months since March and nothing was done about it.

My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

If the gov't doesnt target the real problem areas (LTC/retirement homes, industrial work settings, schools/daycares, int'l flights incoming etc) and instead decides to target low hanging fruit making them scapegoats, then guess what? You are going to get lots of push back. Because many of their unilateral decisions make zero sense and are counterproductive. And you are not getting to the root cause of the issue.

Guess what's going to happen when they open up again? Cases will go up because the root cause hasnt been mitigated or addressed properly. Instead of focusing on the mass hysteria created by Karens/the media/politicians, those with a strategic mind know you look at the statistics for the overall health of all demographics and not busy focusing on finding scapegoats so that you give the illusion of doing something. If the government really cared about health they'd ban cigarettes for starters, but they make too much tax money off that.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

It's actually funny because most of the people defending the government measures are the same people who will bitch and whine about all kinds of systemic injustices. Walking contradictions.

Ask the Natives in Canada and Blacks in the US about how much we should trust our government.

Yup, theres no helping people who are too naive and fail to see the big picture. Imagine Adam Silver coming out and saying NBA officiating has no agenda and one gets called out for not trusting those in positions of authority lol.

[Johnny Bball]

Sure thing bud, you do you.

everyone has the right to drive their car however they want....drunk, distracted, etc.... If you don't like the way I drive, take public transit or stay home. And those car fatalities and road closures?....meh, just some people who the government didn't protect.

you do you bud.

I have and will continue doing so, just like all the “crazies” here.

There's an old poker adage that says when you can't tell who the sucker is at your table, it's you.

[YogiStewart]

Timely.

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My parents are what I would consider moderate risk due to age. Guess what? If any of us have congregated in high risk settings or exposure to large crowds of people, its on us to let my parents know and they can then decide if they wish not to see us for 2 weeks etc. That's on my immediate family and myself, and not anyone else to be responsible for my parents.

Only a fool truly believes the government cares about you.

And this is why it's not on you....and has to be government directed. Metaphorically, this is you and your parents should be living in the basement because you are incapable of rational thought.

As an example, as for your ideas how the virus is spreading... you know that the have records of every single case they can track and it's not just mainly airports, nursing homes, schools etc. as you contend that its spreading from right? Fro example, there have been cases at 14% of schools and when there is an outbreak they close that particular school.

Government better care, because obviously some children do not.

Sure thing bud, you do you.

you're kind of right. we can't worry about what others do...except for the fact that, while you may or may not infect your parents, there's a good chance you'd infect others in the community. so it does affect us

[Yosemite Dan]

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[Local_NG_Idiot]

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The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada issued a "Clarification on statements made regarding COVID-19 by Dr. Roger Hodkinson": "On November 19, 2020 the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (Royal College) was made aware of statements regarding COVID-19 by a Royal College Fellow, Dr. Roger Hodkinson. In some online references, Dr. Hodkinson is being incorrectly identified as a chair/past-chair of the Royal College.

"We would like to clarify that Dr. Hodkinson is not nor has ever held the position of chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.

"We can confirm that Dr. Roger Hodkinson was certified by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada as a general pathologist in 1976.

"The Royal College believes COVID-19 presents a serious threat to the health of Canadians. The Royal College strongly supports all public health advice given by the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, including recommendations to practise physical distancing and to wear masks to help prevent COVID-19 transmission. We are very appreciative of the dedication and commitment of our Royal College Fellows, residents and all front-line health care workers in the fight against COVID-19."

[RoLo]

lmaooYOsemite Dan is back. he was in BC at that antimask rally earlier this year. he thought we forgot

[NBA Sheady]

There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way.

I just came in here to post a link to a support group for 'long haulers'

https://www.facebook.com/groups/920314451799658/

Anyone talking about the morbidity of this disease is stupid and ignorant and should stop posting and do some reading.

[beanbag]

There are Covid long haulers, people who now have brain fog, low stamina, heart and lung problems. These were healthy individuals by the way.

I just came in here to post a link to a support group for 'long haulers'

https://www.facebook.com/groups/920314451799658/

Anyone talking about the morbidity of this disease is stupid and ignorant and should stop posting and do some reading.

I think they will do some reading.

Does posting another YouTube clip of Roger Hodkinson without comment count as reading?

[NBA Sheady]

The problem is the gov't handling of this is stupid. I still haven't seen exact data for where all the cases are coming from specifically.

That data does not exist and never will because the people collecting it aren't scientists and are not following strict protocols. People are giving fake names and phone numbers for example. I have friends that 'don't want telemarketers' so they're giving fake info.

We have no actual precise data where the community spread is occurring. This is why the bro's in here screaming for gyms to be open are really funny.

[M3tro]

What? There have been a lot of criticisms of "the government" here in this very thread from people saying we should do more to control the spread of Covid. You have this very stupid impression in your head that this is a battle of freedom loving objective rationalists vs. crazy government loving sheep.

Because that's exactly what this is.

The majority of the population is going to comply to authority without hesitation and won't dare to speak up even if something is clearly wrong. We're collectively allowing the government to bleed out 1/3 of the population and hold everyone hostage for an entire year for a virus with a >96% survival rate in Canada; 4 out of 5 deaths occurring in LTC homes. Those numbers don't come close to justifying the amount of restrictions that have been put in place and have yet to come (ie. curfew).

"people need to wear masks and social distance"

At this point in time, who isn't wearing a mask when it's required to go anywhere?

Social distancing...so we can't get together with family/friends for holidays, but we can get crammed into Costco, Wal-mart and Loblaws with random strangers and millions of transmission points because hey, essentials...

"we have to just hold tight for a vaccine and everything will return to normal"

The proverbial dangling carrot.

Yes, we must live in a state of fear and isolation until an experimental mRNA vaccination that coincidentally is being developed on a record breaking timeline is ready for public consumption in 2021. Forget waiting to see what the potential harmful side effects could be when the covidiots just need to listen to the experts!

Thalidomide for morning sickness. The Cutter incident.

But nah, all we have to do is wait for the big Pharma dick competition to be over and for them to begin sourcing it's production in China to cut costs. lol.

Nobody is saying there isn't a virus. Nobody is saying vaccines don't work. But don't smear **** on my face and try to tell me it's chocolate.