Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

[closg00]

Ranking 5 worst value contracts signed in NBA free agency

Mason Plumlee - 3-years 25M (Pistons)
Marcus Morris - 4-years 64M (Clippers)
Joe Harris - 4-years 75M (Nets)
Gordon Hayward - 4-years 120M (Hornets)

Agree/Disagree?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/23/nba-free-agency-ranking-5-worst-contracts-signed/

[wall_glizzy]

Ranking 5 worst value contracts signed in NBA free agency

Mason Plumlee - 3-years 25M (Pistons)
Marcus Morris - 4-years 64M (Clippers)
Joe Harris - 4-years 75M (Nets)
Gordon Hayward - 4-years 120M (Hornets)

Agree/Disagree?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/23/nba-free-agency-ranking-5-worst-contracts-signed/

In no order, I'd say
- Jerami Grant (3/$60m)
- Gordon Hayward (4/$120m, and doubly so since they had to stretch the last year of the Batum deal to get it done)
- Malik Beasley (4/$60m)
- Marcus Morris (4/$64m)
- Gallinari (3/$61.5m)

The Harris deal definitely made me feel better about Bertans's contract, but I'm a UVA fan. Also, the opportunity cost wasn't high since the Nets are way over the cap - they simply had to retain him, and he could pick his price. The five I picked are, imo, the most likely to be complete albatrosses by the time they expire.

[Ruzious]

The most surprising thing is that the Knicks didn't make any terrible signings. I think last year, they signed 4 PF's that were all overpays. I still think they're going to end up making a big move.

One UFA who I guess should be labelled a bust now is Frank Kaminsky. Looks like he hasn't gotten any offers, and if he does - it'll likely be at the veteran minimum. I'm surprised - I think he's a very skilled 6'11 forward. Probably not a fit for the Wiz, because he's a soft defender.

[LyricalRico]

Lakers add two bigs in Harrell and Gasol. Is that to move AD to the 4 full-time while LeBron takes the season off basically?

[Ed Wood]

It appears essentially certain that the Pistons are going to release Zhaire Smith after having traded for him - another stretch maneuver. It's hard to know what to make of Smith - his career was profoundly disrupted by a severe allergic reaction and the fallout resulting (a very harrowing story). He seems like he has the tools and outlook to plausibly be a very effective NBA defender and passable offensive player. His developmental arc is really out of whack at this point, however, and it's hard to pitch the idea of another reclamation project on this roster. I'd be more into him than a lot of the UDFA set to investigate via a G-League or Exhibit-10 contract to (I'm not super up on NBA contractual intricacies and so don't know if that second is actually possible).

In any event I hope he gets another shot and things come together for him.

[nate33]

It appears essentially certain that the Pistons are going to release Zhaire Smith after having traded for him - another stretch maneuver. It's hard to know what to make of Smith - his career was profoundly disrupted by a severe allergic reaction and the fallout resulting (a very harrowing story). He seems like he has the tools and outlook to plausibly be a very effective NBA defender and passable offensive player. His developmental arc is really out of whack at this point, however, and it's hard to pitch the idea of another reclamation project on this roster. I'd be more into him than a lot of the UDFA set to investigate via a G-League or Exhibit-10 contract to (I'm not super up on NBA contractual intricacies and so don't know if that second is actually possible).

In any event I hope he gets another shot and things come together for him.

A problem with Sheppard rushing to fill out all 15 of our roster spots and our two Two-Way roster spots is that we now have no roster slots available to make an opportunistic acquisition of a player cast off by another team with cap problems.

[doclinkin]

Lakers add two bigs in Harrell and Gasol. Is that to move AD to the 4 full-time while LeBron takes the season off basically?

LeBJ was playing the 1 basically. AD is already the fulltime 4. But no, it is to upgrade from Dwight/JaVale both of whom seem to have an act that teams grow tired of. In MGasol they add smarts and a still decent defender, in Trez they add energy and offense. Good change of pace options depending on what team they are facing.

[Ruzious]

Lakers add two bigs in Harrell and Gasol. Is that to move AD to the 4 full-time while LeBron takes the season off basically?

I think he played mostly 4 last season - with Javale and Howard playing the 5.

At this point, Gasol almost done, imo. He looked like he could barely move in the playoffs.

Tbh, I don't think Harrell's a good fit with the Lakers. Defensively, he's not going to be much help, and offensively, he's going to be in the way of Davis and Lebron.

Edit - sorry I missed Doc's post.

[closg00]

It appears essentially certain that the Pistons are going to release Zhaire Smith after having traded for him - another stretch maneuver. It's hard to know what to make of Smith - his career was profoundly disrupted by a severe allergic reaction and the fallout resulting (a very harrowing story). He seems like he has the tools and outlook to plausibly be a very effective NBA defender and passable offensive player. His developmental arc is really out of whack at this point, however, and it's hard to pitch the idea of another reclamation project on this roster. I'd be more into him than a lot of the UDFA set to investigate via a G-League or Exhibit-10 contract to (I'm not super up on NBA contractual intricacies and so don't know if that second is actually possible).

In any event I hope he gets another shot and things come together for him.

A problem with Sheppard rushing to fill out all 15 of our roster spots and our two Two-Way roster spots is that we now have no roster slots available to make an opportunistic acquisition of a player cast off by another team with cap problems.

Tommy didn't need to rush-out and sign Gill for sure

[nate33]

It appears essentially certain that the Pistons are going to release Zhaire Smith after having traded for him - another stretch maneuver. It's hard to know what to make of Smith - his career was profoundly disrupted by a severe allergic reaction and the fallout resulting (a very harrowing story). He seems like he has the tools and outlook to plausibly be a very effective NBA defender and passable offensive player. His developmental arc is really out of whack at this point, however, and it's hard to pitch the idea of another reclamation project on this roster. I'd be more into him than a lot of the UDFA set to investigate via a G-League or Exhibit-10 contract to (I'm not super up on NBA contractual intricacies and so don't know if that second is actually possible).

In any event I hope he gets another shot and things come together for him.

A problem with Sheppard rushing to fill out all 15 of our roster spots and our two Two-Way roster spots is that we now have no roster slots available to make an opportunistic acquisition of a player cast off by another team with cap problems.

Tommy didn't need to rush-out and sign Gill for sure

Remember last year when Christian Wood was there for the taking, but we couldn't do it because we didn't have a roster spot?

[payitforward]

It appears essentially certain that the Pistons are going to release Zhaire Smith after having traded for him - another stretch maneuver. It's hard to know what to make of Smith - his career was profoundly disrupted by a severe allergic reaction and the fallout resulting (a very harrowing story). He seems like he has the tools and outlook to plausibly be a very effective NBA defender and passable offensive player. His developmental arc is really out of whack at this point, however, and it's hard to pitch the idea of another reclamation project on this roster. I'd be more into him than a lot of the UDFA set to investigate via a G-League or Exhibit-10 contract to (I'm not super up on NBA contractual intricacies and so don't know if that second is actually possible).

In any event I hope he gets another shot and things come together for him.

A problem with Sheppard rushing to fill out all 15 of our roster spots and our two Two-Way roster spots is that we now have no roster slots available to make an opportunistic acquisition of a player cast off by another team with cap problems.

I guess that depends on how intense you think the competition was to sign Gill, Neto, Childs & Lopez, right?

[nate33]

Miami just extended Bam onto a max deal that will cost $28M in 2021.

That's going to hamper their ability to free up max cap room for Giannis.

Butler - $36.0M
Bam - $28.1M
Herro - $4.0M
Okpala - $1.8M
Achiuwa - $2.3M
Robinson - $4.9M (cap hold)
Anderson - $5.2M (dead money from stretch provision)
5 vet minimum cap holds - $4.5M

TOTAL - $86.8M
2021 CAP - $112M
CAP ROOM - $25.2M

A maximum salary for Giannis is 30% of the cap, or about $33.6M. I don't know how they free up the space unless they convince Jimmy Butler to tear up his contract and renegotiate. (Can they even do that?) Cutting guys like Okpala and Achiuwa doesn't help much because they would still have to get replaced with a $900K vet minimum cap hold.

[nate33]

Ranking 5 worst value contracts signed in NBA free agency

Mason Plumlee - 3-years 25M (Pistons)
Marcus Morris - 4-years 64M (Clippers)
Joe Harris - 4-years 75M (Nets)
Gordon Hayward - 4-years 120M (Hornets)

Agree/Disagree?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/23/nba-free-agency-ranking-5-worst-contracts-signed/

The Pelicans extending Adams for another 2 years at $17.5M per seems pretty egregious. He is already owed $29.5M this year, so that's $65M over the next 3 years. I really thought Adams lost a step defensively this past season.

[gambitx777]

Justin just sign and traded austin rivers and 3 30 year old draft rights guys to NYK for sannon.

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[Ruzious]

Justin just sign and traded austin rivers and 3 30 year old draft rights guys to NYK for sannon.

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Or to put it another way, Houston traded 4 players to NY to get Sanon. None were good players - but still - 4 players for Sanon is startling.

[doclinkin]

Justin just sign and traded austin rivers and 3 30 year old draft rights guys to NYK for sannon.

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Or to put it another way, Houston traded 4 players to NY to get Sanon. None were good players - but still - 4 players for Sanon is startling.

Sergio LLul is pretty good, in the JC Navarro David vs Goliath mold of uptempo smallish scoring guard who can get it done in a crowd of bigs. But he has made it clear he'd rather be a demigod in Spain than come here for whatever money.

[closg00]

Justin just sign and traded austin rivers and 3 30 year old draft rights guys to NYK for sannon.

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Or to put it another way, Houston traded 4 players to NY to get Sanon. None were good players - but still - 4 players for Sanon is startling.

Probably just to make the numbers work no? I mean the Admiral ended-up elsewhere too

[I_Like_Dirt]

Miami just extended Bam onto a max deal that will cost $28M in 2021.

That's going to hamper their ability to free up max cap room for Giannis.

Butler - $36.0M
Bam - $28.1M
Herro - $4.0M
Okpala - $1.8M
Achiuwa - $2.3M
Robinson - $4.9M (cap hold)
Anderson - $5.2M (dead money from stretch provision)
5 vet minimum cap holds - $4.5M

TOTAL - $86.8M
2021 CAP - $112M
CAP ROOM - $25.2M

A maximum salary for Giannis is 30% of the cap, or about $33.6M. I don't know how they free up the space unless they convince Jimmy Butler to tear up his contract and renegotiate. (Can they even do that?) Cutting guys like Okpala and Achiuwa doesn't help much because they would still have to get replaced with a $900K vet minimum cap hold.

I don't think it matters. I think Miami would just trade for him anyway using a bunch of NG contracts and picks and such.

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[nate33]

Miami just extended Bam onto a max deal that will cost $28M in 2021.

That's going to hamper their ability to free up max cap room for Giannis.

Butler - $36.0M
Bam - $28.1M
Herro - $4.0M
Okpala - $1.8M
Achiuwa - $2.3M
Robinson - $4.9M (cap hold)
Anderson - $5.2M (dead money from stretch provision)
5 vet minimum cap holds - $4.5M

TOTAL - $86.8M
2021 CAP - $112M
CAP ROOM - $25.2M

A maximum salary for Giannis is 30% of the cap, or about $33.6M. I don't know how they free up the space unless they convince Jimmy Butler to tear up his contract and renegotiate. (Can they even do that?) Cutting guys like Okpala and Achiuwa doesn't help much because they would still have to get replaced with a $900K vet minimum cap hold.

I don't think it matters. I think Miami would just trade for him anyway using a bunch of NG contracts and picks and such.

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I don't see how the scrape together $27M in salary to trade to Milwaukee and convince Milwaukee to take it on. I guess your talking about something like opting in on the team options for Dragic and Leonard and trading them along with incentive (Herro and a pick) to Milwaukee for Giannis. Would Milwaukee pay $25M for Herro and a pick? Note that Miami doesn't have an unencumbered 1st round pick until 2027. And with Giannis and Bam around, that's not going to be a very high pick.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Miami just extended Bam onto a max deal that will cost $28M in 2021.

That's going to hamper their ability to free up max cap room for Giannis.

Butler - $36.0M
Bam - $28.1M
Herro - $4.0M
Okpala - $1.8M
Achiuwa - $2.3M
Robinson - $4.9M (cap hold)
Anderson - $5.2M (dead money from stretch provision)
5 vet minimum cap holds - $4.5M

TOTAL - $86.8M
2021 CAP - $112M
CAP ROOM - $25.2M

A maximum salary for Giannis is 30% of the cap, or about $33.6M. I don't know how they free up the space unless they convince Jimmy Butler to tear up his contract and renegotiate. (Can they even do that?) Cutting guys like Okpala and Achiuwa doesn't help much because they would still have to get replaced with a $900K vet minimum cap hold.

I don't think it matters. I think Miami would just trade for him anyway using a bunch of NG contracts and picks and such.

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I don't see how the scrape together $27M in salary to trade to Milwaukee and convince Milwaukee to take it on. I guess your talking about something like opting in on the team options for Dragic and Leonard and trading them along with incentive (Herro and a pick) to Milwaukee for Giannis. Would Milwaukee pay $25M for Herro and a pick? Note that Miami doesn't have an unencumbered 1st round pick until 2027. And with Giannis and Bam around, that's not going to be a very high pick.

Dragic has almost $20 mil in an NG contract for next season, iirc. That's most of the way there already. Giving up 3 firsts and 2 swaps, hell, and toss in some rookie contracts to fill the salary gap and the Bucks would be fine with it if Giannis makes it clear he's leaving either way.

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