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[the_l_train]

Love how all you chicken littles wanted this team to get blown up for years...and Weaver actually does it, and now the sky is falling.

Zoom out here, folks. We actually have a youth movement now...we have a great shot to rebuild this team the right way: THRU THE DRAFT. THIS REQUIRES PATIENCE.

Blake and Rose are still gonna be dealt, don't you worry. Let Weaver do his thing longer than 2 weeks before we write him off.

I don't see us dealing Blake, not yet anyway

Rose? Who knows? I thought he'd be gone on Draft Day, thought we'd go after Giles, thought we'd keep Wood, never thought we'd trade Brown or Patton...

Weaver set the dumpster on fire!

Right now we could have all these kids on the roster this season:

Hayes
Wright
Smith
Jackson
Musa
Bey
Sekou
Stewart
Okafor

Maybe none of them pan out, maybe only 3 do, maybe 5 do

Hopefully next season is all about the kids and we land a top 5 pick in 2021

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Amen!

Once we win the Emoni sweepstakes, I have a feeling we won't care about overpaying The Plummer or waiving/stretching Zhaire Smith.

[Pharaoh]

Love how all you chicken littles wanted this team to get blown up for years...and Weaver actually does it, and now the sky is falling.

Zoom out here, folks. We actually have a youth movement now...we have a great shot to rebuild this team the right way: THRU THE DRAFT. THIS REQUIRES PATIENCE.

Blake and Rose are still gonna be dealt, don't you worry. Let Weaver do his thing longer than 2 weeks before we write him off.

I don't see us dealing Blake, not yet anyway

Rose? Who knows? I thought he'd be gone on Draft Day, thought we'd go after Giles, thought we'd keep Wood, never thought we'd trade Brown or Patton...

Weaver set the dumpster on fire!

Right now we could have all these kids on the roster this season:

Hayes
Wright
Smith
Jackson
Musa
Bey
Sekou
Stewart
Okafor

Maybe none of them pan out, maybe only 3 do, maybe 5 do

Hopefully next season is all about the kids and we land a top 5 pick in 2021

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Amen!

Once we win the Emoni sweepstakes, I have a feeling we won't care about overpaying The Plummer or waiving/stretching Zhaire Smith.

Let's assume Smith is stretched...

Dudes under 25:

Hayes
Jackson, Svi
Bey, Musa
Sekou
Stewart, Okafor

I believe Grant is 26...

Assuming Jackson has woken up to himself, Svi just remains a shooter and not much more and Okafor doesn't become anything (he's had multiple shots on multiple teams)...

Young core of:

Hayes
Jackson
Bey, Sekou, Grant
Stewart

That's a nice start for a team that 1 week ago was pretty much devoid of young guys with upside.

But yeah nah we'll trash Weaver cause of all the cap machinations?

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[Piston Pete]

Replace Bey, Stewart, and Musa with Wood, Kennard, and Brown.

How has Weaver done again?

[thesack12]

Yet somehow Presti and Leon Rose are rebuilding their teams while getting future draft picks and creating/maintaining cap flexibility.

But hey, we should be happy because Weaver has turned the roster over. How he has done it, shouldn't be of concern to us.

[Pharaoh]

Replace Bey, Stewart, and Musa with Wood, Kennard, and Brown.

How has Weaver done again?

If you're going to include Wood then you should include Grant, Plumlee, Jackson, Okafor etc

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[Pharaoh]

Yet somehow Presti and Leon Rose are rebuilding their teams while getting future draft picks and creating/maintaining cap flexibility.

But hey, we should be happy because Weaver has turned the roster over. How he has done it, shouldn't be of concern to us.

How it is done DOES matter to a certain extent but I'm not going to crap on Weaver for all his weird cap manoeuvring.

Traded for Dedmon to stretch him? Why not stretch Snell? IDK!

Trading for Smith to stretch him (I hope not)? Stretch Bradley instead! Or just buy the 38 anyway

Pretty easy to sit back and analyse every single trade and question every little detail. I just look at the roster, see all these young kids, see we're not going to sign some stupid win now pieces to satisfy the usual Gores mandate and think:

Weaver obviously got Gores to buy in to this

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[Piston Pete]

Replace Bey, Stewart, and Musa with Wood, Kennard, and Brown.

How has Weaver done again?

If you're going to include Wood then you should include Grant, Plumlee, Jackson, Okafor etc

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Nah, you’re not getting it.

Your own list was players 25 and younger. Are you no longer able to keep the crap you post straight?

Plumlee isn’t 25 or younger. Either is Grant.

Jackson and Okafor were our last two signings and could have been signed regardless what we did this off-season, so they are moot

[DNice68]

Replace Bey, Stewart, and Musa with Wood, Kennard, and Brown.

How has Weaver done again?

We get it, you feel with those three players we had a future. Though there is no indication we did, we didn’t do **** with them.

[thesack12]

Yet somehow Presti and Leon Rose are rebuilding their teams while getting future draft picks and creating/maintaining cap flexibility.

But hey, we should be happy because Weaver has turned the roster over. How he has done it, shouldn't be of concern to us.

How it is done DOES matter to a certain extent but I'm not going to crap on Weaver for all his weird cap manoeuvring.

Traded for Dedmon to stretch him? Why not stretch Snell? IDK!

Trading for Smith to stretch him (I hope not)? Stretch Bradley instead! Or just buy the 38 anyway

Pretty easy to sit back and analyse every single trade and question every little detail. I just look at the roster, see all these young kids, see we're not going to sign some stupid win now pieces to satisfy the usual Gores mandate and think:

Weaver obviously got Gores to buy in to this

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But thats a big part of the problem, at least for me. The whole doesn't equal the sum of the parts.

Detroit started out with almost $40 mil in cap space, and the only unquestioned assets Detroit got by spending what appears to be every dollar of that cap is Isaiah Stewart and Saddiq Bey. Even to get those guys Weaver gave up extra assets in Kennard/Brown/A bunch of 2nds. He also sacrificed a ton of future cap flexibility. He also let another asset in Wood walk out the door.

Other than the draft, the Jackson signing is the one thing I'm excited about. That signing could pay off pretty big, we'll just have to hope for the best.

I don't see Wright or Plumlee ever holding any more value then the token value of when they become expiring contracts.

At $20 mil a season, the only way i see Grant becomes of value is if he blows way the hell up huge. To the point where superstars, are pining to get him alongside them. $20 mil a season isn't easy to fit into a contender's cap situation. Somebody will truly need to see him as the final missing piece.

[Pharaoh]

Replace Bey, Stewart, and Musa with Wood, Kennard, and Brown.

How has Weaver done again?

If you're going to include Wood then you should include Grant, Plumlee, Jackson, Okafor etc

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Nah, you’re not getting it.

Your own list was players 25 and younger. Are you no longer able to keep the crap you post straight?

Plumlee isn’t 25 or younger. Either is Grant.

Jackson and Okafor were our last two signings and could have been signed regardless what we did this off-season, so they are moot

Got it:

You got wood for Wood cause of his great stretch of games.

You love Luke and his dodgy knees cause he can shoot it.

Big on Brown cause of his Piston DNA and corner 3%

With those guys we're actually a better team! You're absolutely correct there.

Not a playoff team though, just stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity like we've been for too damn long.

Guess you liked it there?

I've hated it so maybe that's why I'm so happy with the "crap" I post?



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[Invictus88]

Adding Lamb allows us to trade Hands/King/Lee for a guy we could stretch/waive

[Piston Pete]

I don’t mind getting worse and tanking. We’re just doing it all wrong.

Getting worse: we should have been trading vets like Blake and Rose. Trade them for guys with expiring contracts and future picks.

Instead, we traded young guys still on rookie contracts plus future picks. Hello, that’s bass-ackwards.

Rebuilding teams want to clear the cap. They want cap flexibility. This allows them to add pieces if and when they want - usually attached to picks. Rebuilding teams want to accumulate picks.

With cap flexibility and an allotment of future picks, it gives rebuilding teams ammunition to wheel and deal.

Instead, we hard-capped ourselves.

I have no issues with getting worse. We just can’t even do that right.

[Invictus88]

Love how all you chicken littles wanted this team to get blown up for years...and Weaver actually does it, and now the sky is falling.

Zoom out here, folks. We actually have a youth movement now...we have a great shot to rebuild this team the right way: THRU THE DRAFT. THIS REQUIRES PATIENCE.

Blake and Rose are still gonna be dealt, don't you worry. Let Weaver do his thing longer than 2 weeks before we write him off.

I think in general most people are happy with the influx of young talent coming in. Even if you didn't totally like Kennard getting deslt at least we got Bey for it.

What people are upset about is the moves that seemed largely unnecessary and aren't contributing at all to the youh movement: the signings of plumlee and grant, the acquisition of Wright and the waiving and stretching in or der to enable that.

The cost in terms of picks is also a bit suspect. We really should be stockpiling yet we again went the other way.

Maybe more moves are made and we don't have to waive and stretch. But if we had any chance at resigning Wood tgst would have been way preferable over Plumlee; even at a higher cost. Grant makes zero sense in that he isn't young and isn't tradeable with that contract. He's also going to want big minutes which goes against developing the young guys somewhat.

[davidvolumes]

Weaver has previously said this team is not in a tank mode they are not rebuilding. He said something to the effect of they are retooling. He put this team together with the plans to compete in the Here and Now. No other reason to pay grant that type of money if he didn't feel this team was ready to compete now. My concern is not about the players but about Casey the coach. Casey is an old school coach. Casey is slow to react. Case in point is Casey never played Wood alongside Andre when he had a chance to do so. My point is this team does have talent. The question is will Casey put the players in a position to succeed. Keeping Blake out of the starting lineup would be a great first step.

[mattao313]

So far this roster is pretty bad and if not mistaken capped out. Im ok with them being bad for the most part but why spend so much money? And why trade young assets and picks away for 19? Seems like we could have traded for some veteran guys for the 'veteran presence' and gotten some assets back instead.

Feels like Weaver had no real plan on paper just making moves as he goes. I know this is his first off season as a gm but jeez I dont see the vision, at least with SVG and Dumars you knew what they wanted but this guy is all over the place. If he's rebuilding he isnt doing a good job and if he is trying to win this roster is awful. Building a 10 seed team? doing a great job.

[ducler]

I'm still convinced the plan is NOT to make a Playoffs push on year 1, but to have a growing competitive group. We should be worst 5 this year but he wants the team to become a hard matchup. I can be wrong though.

Weaver has made a pretty good job for the moment IMO: continue the house cleaning started last year, sign vets to help kids grow and to avoid gifting them starting position so they'll have to put the work to earn playing time, but he didn't do Dumars and SVG mistakes by offering 5 years deals, and guys signed are not stars or players who will put the team to the top, just hard workers.
The 2 things I can questioned on Weaver's decisions are: 1. I think he added a bit too much vets, but that can still change - 2. both Rose and Griffin are still on the team, I understand for Griffin to try to sell higher but not for Rose. I don't care about the waives and stretches, it's not like the 3M of dead money will make us miss the final missing piece to become a contender for the next 5 years.

HOWEVER, I'm scared of 2 guys: Gores and Casey. The first has always fixed Playoffs has the main goal, I'm not convinced it will change this year. And for the second, at 63 years old and considering he was already reluctant to play the young guys in his first 2 years here, I'm not sure he'll be OK with a rebuild on his last 3 years of contract. I hope to be wrong as this season is the perfect one to lose: no attendance at games, great 2021 Draft incoming...

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[Pharaoh]

I don’t mind getting worse and tanking. We’re just doing it all wrong.

Getting worse: we should have been trading vets like Blake and Rose. Trade them for guys with expiring contracts and future picks.

Instead, we traded young guys still on rookie contracts plus future picks. Hello, that’s bass-ackwards.

Rebuilding teams want to clear the cap. They want cap flexibility. This allows them to add pieces if and when they want - usually attached to picks. Rebuilding teams want to accumulate picks.

With cap flexibility and an allotment of future picks, it gives rebuilding teams ammunition to wheel and deal.

Instead, we hard-capped ourselves.

I have no issues with getting worse. We just can’t even do that right.

Please list all the future first round picks we have traded.



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[Piston Pete]

Where did I say 1st rounders?

You asked this exact same thing in another thread and someone already listed the picks we’ve traded away this off-season. Overall, we’ve traded away 5-6 future picks. If you need another list, find the other one already provided.

[DTP]

Free agency showed that Tom Gores will never allow for a proper rebuild. Anyone he hires will be mandated to be “competitive”. In the past I’ve heard it said that Gores worries a true rebuild would push fans away from the arena because they’ve been stuck with crap for the last 10 years. What he fails to realize is the Pistons have no fans. There are the insane people like us who care and know the team is headed nowhere, then there are the families that go to the games and ask “is Chauncey still on the team?” The spend $100 on food and the team store and gores is happy.

It’s garbage. We’re clearly trying to make the playoffs. Same stuff different day.

I agree this is the crux of the issue. At the same time, I am not sure this roster does any better than last year, unless these rookies are better than we thought.

The draft picks made sense with the exception of Stewart at #16. The trades, as the details come out, get worse by the day as GMs took advantage of Weaver and his unyielding desire to get those picks... The free agent signing of Plumlee, and indifference to pay Woods $14M, but okay with paying Grant $20M is puzzling. In the end, this dude is either a mad genius who will prove us, and most of the basketball community, wrong, or he truly is the craziest dude they ever let be a GM and he will be worse than the other Tom Gores experiments.

I can't wait for him to explain all this . He is going to need to pull a rabbit out of his hat to make the "more moves to come" and make this make sense that the Detroit Pistons media is hinting too ( or being told)....My concern is he might have to make even more desperate moves that we have seen to fix the current mess. Again, I hope he turns out to be some mad genius where only he sees this path we are all trying to understand.

I honestly couldn't have said it better myself.