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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#81 » by HINrichPolice » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:20 am

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I think something like this is probably what's going on. Davis will sign a contract that maintains flexibility for him so he can:

1. See who they'll be able to bring in to LA to create a team worthy of signing long-term there.
2. Have the flexibility to go somewhere else to compete


The Bulls only shot at Davis is option 2, problem there is no one's looking at our current roster and finding it to be an AD away from competing. So the Bulls would have some serious work to do on that front. Otherwise, he's probably looking at Dallas or Miami or something similar.


Which makes me feel like we have a home run swing of a chance at getting AD interested.

Imagine this best case scenario:

- Patrick Williams looks legit for a 19 yr old rookie showing versatility, defense, and flashes of brilliance
- LaVine's efficiency improves under Donovan
- Lauri reaches his old form of being a legit stretch big and all around scoring threat
- Wendell is healthy enough to show that he's a defensive force and a reliable piece of the offense
- Coby continues his rise as a scorer that gets hot in stretches while becoming a more reliable floor general

I think all of those things are reasonable for us to expect especially with having a legit head coach and emphasis on player development.

Having all of the above occur, in my mind, gets us into the playoffs. And if we make noise by taking a good Eastern Conference team to 6 games or so, all of a sudden we become an attractive destination for someone like AD or even Kawhi.

Personally, I feel like Kawhi has a higher chance of becoming available, but AD's willingness to have contract flexibility keeps that door open.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#82 » by BullsFTW » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:55 am

HINrichPolice wrote:
drosestruts wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:
Read on Twitter


I think something like this is probably what's going on. Davis will sign a contract that maintains flexibility for him so he can:

1. See who they'll be able to bring in to LA to create a team worthy of signing long-term there.
2. Have the flexibility to go somewhere else to compete


The Bulls only shot at Davis is option 2, problem there is no one's looking at our current roster and finding it to be an AD away from competing. So the Bulls would have some serious work to do on that front. Otherwise, he's probably looking at Dallas or Miami or something similar.


Which makes me feel like we have a home run swing of a chance at getting AD interested.

Imagine this best case scenario:

- Patrick Williams looks legit for a 19 yr old rookie showing versatility, defense, and flashes of brilliance
- LaVine's efficiency improves under Donovan
- Lauri reaches his old form of being a legit stretch big and all around scoring threat
- Wendell is healthy enough to show that he's a defensive force and a reliable piece of the offense
- Coby continues his rise as a scorer that gets hot in stretches while becoming a more reliable floor general

I think all of those things are reasonable for us to expect especially with having a legit head coach and emphasis on player development.

Having all of the above occur, in my mind, gets us into the playoffs. And if we make noise by taking a good Eastern Conference team to 6 games or so, all of a sudden we become an attractive destination for someone like AD or even Kawhi.

Personally, I feel like Kawhi has a higher chance of becoming available, but AD's willingness to have contract flexibility keeps that door open.

That’s the best case scenario. We basically need to show that the team improved and are just one superstar away from being legit contenders. It’s definitely a long shot. Also like what was previously mentioned, Miami and Dallas are huge threats to land a superstar.

If AD does want to come home, one of Lauri or WCJ will probably be on the way out. I’m assuming it’ll be the former since WCJ is a better fit with AD.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#83 » by Southpaw » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:27 am

HINrichPolice wrote:
drosestruts wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:
Read on Twitter


I think something like this is probably what's going on. Davis will sign a contract that maintains flexibility for him so he can:

1. See who they'll be able to bring in to LA to create a team worthy of signing long-term there.
2. Have the flexibility to go somewhere else to compete


The Bulls only shot at Davis is option 2, problem there is no one's looking at our current roster and finding it to be an AD away from competing. So the Bulls would have some serious work to do on that front. Otherwise, he's probably looking at Dallas or Miami or something similar.


Which makes me feel like we have a home run swing of a chance at getting AD interested.

Imagine this best case scenario:

- Patrick Williams looks legit for a 19 yr old rookie showing versatility, defense, and flashes of brilliance
- LaVine's efficiency improves under Donovan
- Lauri reaches his old form of being a legit stretch big and all around scoring threat
- Wendell is healthy enough to show that he's a defensive force and a reliable piece of the offense
- Coby continues his rise as a scorer that gets hot in stretches while becoming a more reliable floor general

I think all of those things are reasonable for us to expect especially with having a legit head coach and emphasis on player development.

Having all of the above occur, in my mind, gets us into the playoffs. And if we make noise by taking a good Eastern Conference team to 6 games or so, all of a sudden we become an attractive destination for someone like AD or even Kawhi.

Personally, I feel like Kawhi has a higher chance of becoming available, but AD's willingness to have contract flexibility keeps that door open.

Agree, this is the best case scenario for us. It'll be like how BKN got KD and Kyrie.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#84 » by fleet » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:35 am

An overpay for Paul George is way more likely than Kawhi. Depending on the Clippers rejection. Kawhi is isn’t going anywhere. Money talks on that big deal in second half of careers. And AD is just setting up in LA. If you want to say look at what Harden is talking about, fair enough. But Harden is talking about leaving Houston for New York, Kyrie and Kevin Durant. Leaving LA for Chicago, less money and Zach Lavine, not so much.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#85 » by PhilippineBulls » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:03 am

when he's old and on the decline.. AD will sign with the bulls. "it was always my childhood dream to play for my hometown Chicago Bulls."

... and we gonna have championship aspirations.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#86 » by RedBulls23 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:52 am

fleet wrote:An overpay for Paul George is way more likely than Kawhi. Depending on the Clippers rejection. Kawhi is isn’t going anywhere. Money talks on that big deal in second half of careers. And AD is just setting up in LA. If you want to say look at what Harden is talking about, fair enough. But Harden is talking about leaving Houston for New York, Kyrie and Kevin Durant. Leaving LA for Chicago, less money and Zach Lavine, not so much.

Have to hope Clippers face plant again making Kawhi seriously consider leaving.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#87 » by Grodoboldo » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:20 am

Grodoboldo wrote:No.
Oh, and neither is Giannis, BTW.


Quoting myself here. People really need to get a grip on reality.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#88 » by Jello Biafra » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:22 pm

HINrichPolice wrote:
drosestruts wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:
Read on Twitter


I think something like this is probably what's going on. Davis will sign a contract that maintains flexibility for him so he can:

1. See who they'll be able to bring in to LA to create a team worthy of signing long-term there.
2. Have the flexibility to go somewhere else to compete


The Bulls only shot at Davis is option 2, problem there is no one's looking at our current roster and finding it to be an AD away from competing. So the Bulls would have some serious work to do on that front. Otherwise, he's probably looking at Dallas or Miami or something similar.


Which makes me feel like we have a home run swing of a chance at getting AD interested.

Imagine this best case scenario:

- Patrick Williams looks legit for a 19 yr old rookie showing versatility, defense, and flashes of brilliance
- LaVine's efficiency improves under Donovan
- Lauri reaches his old form of being a legit stretch big and all around scoring threat
- Wendell is healthy enough to show that he's a defensive force and a reliable piece of the offense
- Coby continues his rise as a scorer that gets hot in stretches while becoming a more reliable floor general

I think all of those things are reasonable for us to expect especially with having a legit head coach and emphasis on player development.

Having all of the above occur, in my mind, gets us into the playoffs. And if we make noise by taking a good Eastern Conference team to 6 games or so, all of a sudden we become an attractive destination for someone like AD or even Kawhi.

Personally, I feel like Kawhi has a higher chance of becoming available, but AD's willingness to have contract flexibility keeps that door open.


OK. Who do you think impacts winning more, AD or Yiannis? I didn't throw Kawhi in there because imo he impacts winning more than both of them. I say Yiannis but I have no advanced stats to back this up. He's made Milwaukee a good team with a relatively weak supporting cast. AD couldn't make the Pels a winner with Jrue and a healthy Boogie.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#89 » by JordansBulls » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:00 am

Well he was the best player on the Lakers last year and stats prove it.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#90 » by TheStig » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:14 am

fleet wrote:An overpay for Paul George is way more likely than Kawhi. Depending on the Clippers rejection. Kawhi is isn’t going anywhere. Money talks on that big deal in second half of careers. And AD is just setting up in LA. If you want to say look at what Harden is talking about, fair enough. But Harden is talking about leaving Houston for New York, Kyrie and Kevin Durant. Leaving LA for Chicago, less money and Zach Lavine, not so much.

We just don't know what the team will look like in a couple of years. We brought in a completely new FO, medical and coaching staff. It's safe to say some of the players will be moving. We could clear the cap and draft some good young guys so AD can bring the star of his choice here. Once the stink of the GarPax era wears off and we get some talent in here, opportunity will happen.
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Post#91 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:40 pm

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fleet wrote:An overpay for Paul George is way more likely than Kawhi. Depending on the Clippers rejection. Kawhi is isn’t going anywhere. Money talks on that big deal in second half of careers. And AD is just setting up in LA. If you want to say look at what Harden is talking about, fair enough. But Harden is talking about leaving Houston for New York, Kyrie and Kevin Durant. Leaving LA for Chicago, less money and Zach Lavine, not so much.

We just don't know what the team will look like in a couple of years. We brought in a completely new FO, medical and coaching staff. It's safe to say some of the players will be moving. We could clear the cap and draft some good young guys so AD can bring the star of his choice here. Once the stink of the GarPax era wears off and we get some talent in here, opportunity will happen.



Luckily the stink generally shifts quick in this day and age. Media cycles change fast as do narratives but damn GarPax made it awfully smelly around these parts.
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Post#92 » by PhilLeotardo » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:23 pm

Anything is possible. It’s the NBA. And Davis knows how much playing for Chicago in his prime would mean for his legacy. I live in Los Angeles, and the collective attitude here towards the current team is “meh”. No one has any connection to the players, the whole thing feels bizarre & fabricated, which it is. The fact that no one watched the “finals”**** this year speaks volumes, there was nothing organic nor uplifting about the team that “won” (they also won a glorified summer league tourney, let’s be real here)

However, I don’t necessarily know that it’d be a good idea for the Bulls to sign someone like him just yet. Of course they would, no questions asked, but the Chicago Bulls just kicked off the most drastic reset in the franchise’s history under Reinsdorf ownership. They are rebuilding literally every single thing from scratch. Prior to this extreme franchise rebuild, the Chicago Bulls were arguably the single most toxic atmosphere throughout all of professional sports, rivaled within the NBA by perhaps only PHX & NYC, maybe Sac.

This will take lots of time & TLC, much trial & error, and bringing someone like Davis in (who not only isn’t a legitimate #1 option, but has also proven to be quite toxic) could suck every last bit of gravity out of the environment, and throw the entire cultural reset into disarray

The Bulls should be focused on player development & instilling a positive & upbeat culture/morale over the next few years. If you build it, they will indeed come in droves. But there is much to be done before that happens
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#93 » by TheStig » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:52 pm

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fleet wrote:An overpay for Paul George is way more likely than Kawhi. Depending on the Clippers rejection. Kawhi is isn’t going anywhere. Money talks on that big deal in second half of careers. And AD is just setting up in LA. If you want to say look at what Harden is talking about, fair enough. But Harden is talking about leaving Houston for New York, Kyrie and Kevin Durant. Leaving LA for Chicago, less money and Zach Lavine, not so much.

We just don't know what the team will look like in a couple of years. We brought in a completely new FO, medical and coaching staff. It's safe to say some of the players will be moving. We could clear the cap and draft some good young guys so AD can bring the star of his choice here. Once the stink of the GarPax era wears off and we get some talent in here, opportunity will happen.



Luckily the stink generally shifts quick in this day and age. Media cycles change fast as do narratives but damn GarPax made it awfully smelly around these parts.

I agree, they have a real org, coach, medical staff and value player development. I think things will change quickly.
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Post#94 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:35 pm

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TheStig wrote:We just don't know what the team will look like in a couple of years. We brought in a completely new FO, medical and coaching staff. It's safe to say some of the players will be moving. We could clear the cap and draft some good young guys so AD can bring the star of his choice here. Once the stink of the GarPax era wears off and we get some talent in here, opportunity will happen.



Luckily the stink generally shifts quick in this day and age. Media cycles change fast as do narratives but damn GarPax made it awfully smelly around these parts.

I agree, they have a real org, coach, medical staff and value player development. I think things will change quickly.



Which is at least a season away but I think shifting daily. This season will tell a lot. Going to be optimistic until proven otherwise.
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Re: Is AD even possible? 

Post#95 » by coldfish » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:56 pm

I have no thought whatsoever that the Bulls are going to be going free agent hunting or would be a top destination any time soon. IMO, capspace will be used for trades and the team isn't going to go out of its way to create it. I think the flexibility era where the team goes for a max free agent every few years has come to a close.

The tankers among us, and there are many, will be very unhappy with how AK does things.
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Post#96 » by Bankshot » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:09 pm

coldfish wrote:I have no thought whatsoever that the Bulls are going to be going free agent hunting or would be a top destination any time soon. IMO, capspace will be used for trades and the team isn't going to go out of its way to create it. I think the flexibility era where the team goes for a max free agent every few years has come to a close.

The tankers among us, and there are many, will be very unhappy with how AK does things.


You may be exactly right....the only hope towards getting a AD or GA is if we look good this year and everything pans out (playoffs and we are impressive) which is most likely not going to happen. We can dream though.....

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