Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[ABucksFan]

Never going to happen, but to maximize Giannis potential (with his current limitations) he truly needs a superstar guard. Dame, Curry, Booker. Hell even pairing him up with Murray or Mitchell would probably be better than what we have. Giannis can carry the game to the end, but you need a true closer unless he takes another jump.

[Lippo]

The whole Championships=Legacy argument is dumb and only applies to maybe 4 players in the history of the league (Lebron/Jordan Wilt/Russell)

I'll argue not a single other player on an all time rankings list moves up or down based on the number of championships they won.

Who's arguing Duncan is better then Hakeem based on him winning more titles?

Do Barkley, Stockton, or Malone move up the list if they had managed to win one?

Who thinks Durant is moved up the list once he won one?

KG was allready considered great before Boston won

The closest you could argue would be Dirk moving up the list when he won one for Dallas but I mean did he really move over anyone?

Hell if you wanna cross sports anyone wanna argue Otto Graham is the best QB ever?

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Pippen....

Say Dominique was on Bulls instead of him, they win 6 rings and Pippen is on the 50 win Hawks team for a decade, you don’t think are swapped in the top 50, he’ll Horry is revered and he was a Covington.

[machu46]

The Bucks don't have better secondary players than any other team that's serious about contending. If they did, we wouldn't need to dissect every aspect of Giannis's game while he's being double and tripple teamed bc other teams just plain don't respect our other players. And why should they?

Yes free throws are a problem. Yes, he needs to play more under control. Totally secondary to the fact that the Bucks do not have good enough talent to in a championship.

We all hope this has changed but I suspect it hasn't.

Agreed, though I think if Giannis REALLY wants to win a championship, he also has to accept the face that he’s the off ball finisher guy, not the trigger guy on the playoffs. Tough pill to swallow, but he needs to do it.

If he could drive he can be the finisher all night. He is unstoppable. He can beat any guy 1v1 and can murder any rim protector even Gobert. Against both Miami and Toronto he just couldn't drive either left or right because he had 2 extra defenders who didn't respect the bucks shooting ability.

When Dragic is coming out and straight out say that we can just put our entire defense on Giannis because the other ones do not matter then it's clearly the front office's fault.

The issue (and this is why the Dragic quote wasn't as significant as people think) is that the math will always say you should leave the shooters to defend Giannis. 80-100% shooting at the rim > 40% from 3 point range.

And the reason Giannis couldn't drive against those defenses is because he's too slow as a read and react guy. If we swing the ball to Giannis and he catches and goes, it's an easy dunk. Instead he catches and holds it for 5 seconds and waits for the defense to get set and then tries to drive through them.

[greekbuck34]

Agreed, though I think if Giannis REALLY wants to win a championship, he also has to accept the face that he’s the off ball finisher guy, not the trigger guy on the playoffs. Tough pill to swallow, but he needs to do it.

If he could drive he can be the finisher all night. He is unstoppable. He can beat any guy 1v1 and can murder any rim protector even Gobert. Against both Miami and Toronto he just couldn't drive either left or right because he had 2 extra defenders who didn't respect the bucks shooting ability.

When Dragic is coming out and straight out say that we can just put our entire defense on Giannis because the other ones do not matter then it's clearly the front office's fault.

The issue (and this is why the Dragic quote wasn't as significant as people think) is that the math will always say you should leave the shooters to defend Giannis. 80-100% shooting at the rim > 40% from 3 point range.

And the reason Giannis couldn't drive against those defenses is because he's too slow as a read and react guy. If we swing the ball to Giannis and he catches and goes, it's an easy dunk. Instead he catches and holds it for 5 seconds and waits for the defense to get set and then tries to drive through them.

It's not as easy as you think against Dpoy caliber players waiting and drilling for this specific moment.
And if we did shoot for 40% from the 3 point range we would have 2 finals and at least 1 championship right now.

[tedbrogen]

They do definitely need to be more creative with usage of Giannis on offense. Him at the top of the key/five out offense is a disaster against good teams. Get him on the low block some, get him that post up on either elbow, have him set aggressive screens in PnR situations and roll to the rim, set screens for him with a pick and pop guy, run that dribble hand-off play with him handing to Forbes, run Forbes off two screens with Giannis being one of them and then cutting to the basket.

There are tons of ways to make things easier for Giannis and make it much harder for teams to have a wall in place. It's up to Bud to implement those but the Heat series should have demonstrated what to do (the Heats offensive sets) versus what to never do (Giannis at the top of the key driving into the wall).

[fan230]

The Bucks don't have better secondary players than any other team that's serious about contending. If they did, we wouldn't need to dissect every aspect of Giannis's game while he's being double and tripple teamed bc other teams just plain don't respect our other players. And why should they?

Yes free throws are a problem. Yes, he needs to play more under control. Totally secondary to the fact that the Bucks do not have good enough talent to in a championship.

We all hope this has changed but I suspect it hasn't.

Agreed, though I think if Giannis REALLY wants to win a championship, he also has to accept the face that he’s the off ball finisher guy, not the trigger guy on the playoffs. Tough pill to swallow, but he needs to do it.

If he could drive he can be the finisher all night. He is unstoppable. He can beat any guy 1v1 and can murder any rim protector even Gobert. Against both Miami and Toronto he just couldn't drive either left or right because he had 2 extra defenders who didn't respect the bucks shooting ability.

When Dragic is coming out and straight out say that we can just put our entire defense on Giannis because the other ones do not matter then it's clearly the front office's fault.

Giannis is a 2 time MVP in 2 years. I cannot believe some of us are continually trying to highlight his flaws. The reason we lost is because our coach was unable to change strategies to combat the wall and because we had an incapable cast of others who cannot shoot well consistently; Dragic saying, the other ones do not matter, captures this reality v well.

Try to get better shooters. Bogdan loss was tremendous. Bucks as a team are absolutely nothing if Giannis does not sign. I think we should appreciate how much Giannis has pulled us closer to the top.

[PG Graveyard]

Today would be a good day to sign the supermax contract.

[LedZepp007]

Today would be a good day to sign the supermax contract.

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[GBBucks]

Today would be a good day to sign the supermax contract.

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Supermax - excess from being up-charged for Pat

[greekbuck34]

Today would be a good day to sign the supermax contract.

I don't think so. He is still in Greece giving aid to the poor and for business etc.

In other news the NBA is not allowing international players to play for their NT anymore because of Covid. Not that Giannis would attent national qualifiers but still.

[RRyder823]

The whole Championships=Legacy argument is dumb and only applies to maybe 4 players in the history of the league (Lebron/Jordan Wilt/Russell)

I'll argue not a single other player on an all time rankings list moves up or down based on the number of championships they won.

Who's arguing Duncan is better then Hakeem based on him winning more titles?

Do Barkley, Stockton, or Malone move up the list if they had managed to win one?

Who thinks Durant is moved up the list once he won one?

KG was allready considered great before Boston won

The closest you could argue would be Dirk moving up the list when he won one for Dallas but I mean did he really move over anyone?

Hell if you wanna cross sports anyone wanna argue Otto Graham is the best QB ever?

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Pippen....

Say Dominique was on Bulls instead of him, they win 6 rings and Pippen is on the 50 win Hawks team for a decade, you don’t think are swapped in the top 50, he’ll Horry is revered and he was a Covington.

Horry gets praise for the sheer number of clutch shots he made. Who cites his championships to say he was a better player then he was?

And no Pippen was just a better player then Dominique



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[Cooleyo47]

Never going to happen, but to maximize Giannis potential (with his current limitations) he truly needs a superstar guard. Dame, Curry, Booker. Hell even pairing him up with Murray or Mitchell would probably be better than what we have. Giannis can carry the game to the end, but you need a true closer unless he takes another jump.

Jrue may be that guy. He's not going to be pulling up from mid-range, but he can get to any spot on the court whenever he wants and is a super creative finisher.

[RogerMurdock]

I played against a guy named "Antetokounmpo" in Overwatch the other night. I chose Mei as a hard counter.

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[higharc]

Bud should say to Giannis: "whenever each of your game stints approaches its end I will give you a gesture sign. Next offence I want you to execute your playoff go-to move. After every game we are going to sit down together and watch replays of these sets and see how to improve"

[FrieAaron]

I played against a guy named "Antetokounmpo" in Overwatch the other night. I chose Mei as a hard counter.

[/inside Overwatch joke]

I've played a dude named Antentokounmpo as well. Wonder how many there are.

[paulpressey25]

The Heat reporters say the team is going to offer Bam a contract extension now. No more details.

He and Giannis share the same agent. The word seems to now be in with Giannis and his supermax incoming.

Either that, or Bam told the Heat he wants his money now, or he might not re-sign in a couple years.

[dbrodz7]

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[greekbuck34]

It's over?!

[LUKE23]

Does signing Bam eliminate them from max cap space next summer?

[paulpressey25]

Does signing Bam eliminate them from max cap space next summer?

Makes it a lot harder