Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[Wonka]

Pat is just going to be needed trade filler at some point.

Agree but that 3rd year P.O. is going to make teams not want him

My thoughts exactly. Very few teams are going to willingly take him on unless he takes a wild leap forward this season

[Prez]

That contract single handedly drops this offseason to like a D for me. What a disaster

[StickeeFingaz]

Horst needs a contract guy whispering in his ear when negotiating deals, just like Selina has Gary in Veep.

[StickeeFingaz]

That contract single handedly drops this offseason to like a D for me. What a disaster

Horst: "Pat is a hard worker and an athletic wing who can play multiple positions. As an organization building a culture, we believe Pat's work ethic and dedication to improving his game are examples of who we want to be and we believe he's a valuable piece to this team moving forward."

[Frank Nova]

That contract single handedly drops this offseason to like a D for me. What a disaster

That’s fair. I’m still holding out hope that deal was contingent on being moved at some point. Like hey you’re close with Giannis so we are gonna make sure you’re taken care of financially but your contract will be on the move at some point. Come back for the minimum when your new team buys you out... lol probably far fetched but it’s the only way I can spin it to a positive.

[raferfenix]

If Pat was intended to be cap filler, we could have just kept Ersan.

Lowe did say there were teams who valued Pat and speculated he could end up in the $4-6 million range. It's not impossible that a team (perhaps even the Kings) where would prefer Pat to Ersan.

However the Bucks could have just easily panicked post-Bogdan and decided they couldn't afford to lose Giannis' lifting buddy.

[coolhandluke121]

Pat is just going to be needed trade filler at some point.

Yeah, he's the best player they have Bird Rights for (which isn't saying much) and I think they used the opportunity to operate as close to the tax apron as possible, which is actually a good thing if they end up using him in a trade. I don't think the issue is not understanding the cap; it's an issue of the talent:salary ratio here, but you have to assume Pat's agent showed the Bucks some offers that put him in this range. I think he's capable of a breakout year shooting the 3, so I'm okay with it.

[mkegb]

Everyone trippin on the Pat contract, I agree is an slight overreach but we all know he is buddies with Giannis so if that keeps him here, then its a good signing. Also, I think it will be a contract we can trade if needed.

Yall say it was way too much so what did you expect to pay for it be reasonable for you?
Also, do you think his contract kept them from signing someone else? Who cares about the actual amounts unless it is keeping them from signing someone else.

[buckbeer]

That contract single handedly drops this offseason to like a D for me. What a disaster

Horst: "Pat is a hard worker and an athletic wing who can play multiple positions. As an organization building a culture, we believe Pat's work ethic and dedication to improving his game are examples of who we want to be and we believe he's a valuable piece to this team moving forward."

Sounds like Pat has become the Bucks new Delly, Delly's bad contract was later dumped along with Henson at a cost of a Bucks 1st and 2nd rd pick.

Pat's 3pt shooting has been disappointing, I'd rather to let him go than give that contract. Don't know why the Bucks need to keep Pat so badly.

[Prez]

Everyone trippin on the Pat contract, I agree is an slight overreach but we all know he is buddies with Giannis so if that keeps him here, then its a good signing. Also, I think it will be a contract we can trade if needed.

Yall say it was way too much so what did you expect to pay for it be reasonable for you?
Also, do you think his contract kept them from signing someone else? Who cares about the actual amounts unless it is keeping them from signing someone else.

It’s not just the amount, it’s the length of the deal - why the hell is Pat Connaughton getting a 3 year deal with a player option? He’s not good and the fact that Wes (a clearly better player) is on a 1 year minimum is frustrating.

[mkegb]

That contract single handedly drops this offseason to like a D for me. What a disaster

Horst: "Pat is a hard worker and an athletic wing who can play multiple positions. As an organization building a culture, we believe Pat's work ethic and dedication to improving his game are examples of who we want to be and we believe he's a valuable piece to this team moving forward."

Sounds like Pat has become the Bucks new Delly, Delly's bad contract was later dumped along with Henson at a cost of a Bucks 1st and 2nd rd pick.

Pat's 3pt shooting has been disappointing, I'd rather to let him go than give that contract. Don't know why the Bucks need to keep Pat so badly.

Cap reasons and he can contribute. If you let him walk, you have to sign another guy for the league min and you cannot believe you would actually find someone better on the league min, do you?

[pack15412]

That contract single handedly drops this offseason to like a D for me. What a disaster

Horst: "Pat is a hard worker and an athletic wing who can play multiple positions. As an organization building a culture, we believe Pat's work ethic and dedication to improving his game are examples of who we want to be and we believe he's a valuable piece to this team moving forward."

Sounds like Pat has become the Bucks new Delly, Delly's bad contract was later dumped along with Henson at a cost of a Bucks 1st and 2nd rd pick.

Pat's 3pt shooting has been disappointing, I'd rather to let him go than give that contract. Don't know why the Bucks need to keep Pat so badly.

Well, at least you can rest assured the Bucks won't use a 1st rounder to dump his salary. There are none left to trade. All that being said, if Giannis and Jrue resign we are fine and if we want to improve at some point, our only options are to have tradable salary slots to match money coming back.

[LittleRooster]

You see Sam Presti and the way he handles the cap and trades he makes and then you see us, amateur hour. It’s crazy, as others have mentioned, that a professional sports team would operate this way.

Hell, even look at Russ Ball at the Packers


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[mkegb]

Everyone trippin on the Pat contract, I agree is an slight overreach but we all know he is buddies with Giannis so if that keeps him here, then its a good signing. Also, I think it will be a contract we can trade if needed.

Yall say it was way too much so what did you expect to pay for it be reasonable for you?
Also, do you think his contract kept them from signing someone else? Who cares about the actual amounts unless it is keeping them from signing someone else.

It’s not just the amount, it’s the length of the deal - why the hell is Pat Connaughton getting a 3 year deal with a player option? He’s not good and the fact that Wes (a clearly better player) is on a 1 year minimum is frustrating.

I like Wes but he was not that much better. I do agree with the length but I think they had to go 3 years to use bird rights.

If signing Pat to what we did, kept us from signing someone else, then fine, I can see how people can be pissed but I don't think we missed out on anyone. $5M is not going to make or break you, its a nothing contract in the grand scheme. Just a filler for down the road.

[xTitan]

Connaughton isn’t even a guy you can play in the playoffs, jumping is the ONLY thing he does well and that’s not an exaggeration

[higharc]

I see him being able to be traded after 5 feb '21. When is the trade deadline this season?

We have 3 contracts that can be combined in a variety of ways to match salaries:
Pat.............$4,938,273
Wilson.........$4,548,280
Thanasis......$1,701,593 (at that point he would have only a few months left and Giannis may be ok to get some value as an expiring)

And Pat is the only one that can be passable as a contributing player (the others will be for cap clearance purposes of the trading partner team). Basically find a team deep into the tax that is not projected to make the playoffs and trade our garbage for their garbage, unless we feel like unloading a 2nd round pick...

[buckbeer]

Cap reasons and he can contribute. If you let him walk, you have to sign another guy for the league min and you cannot believe you would actually find someone better on the league min, do you?

He would be taking away PT from the other bench guys we have, as well as the rookies.

[xTitan]

I heard the original Connaughton deal was 2 years and a player option, but Horst didn’t realize in order to give a Birds right guy the player option in the second yr it would then dip in to the MLE, basically Horst didn’t know this. Instead of walking away there, the Bucks added an awful 3rd year to avoid dipping in to the MLE. Allegedly 1 other team was willing to offer more money....then say adios

[mkegb]

Cap reasons and he can contribute. If you let him walk, you have to sign another guy for the league min and you cannot believe you would actually find someone better on the league min, do you?

He would be taking PT from the other bench guys we have, as well as the rookies.

Pat will be our #8 guy. He will be behind: Jrue/DDV/Middleton/Giannis/Brook/DJ/Portis.
Do you think anyone else left should see more time than him? Forbes, maybe but I'm not expecting much out of him.

If you are playing or need to play rookies more than Pat, then this team is in a bad place. I am excited to see what they can do but we shouldn't NEED to play them other than garbage minutes.

[German Athens]

Pat is just going to be needed trade filler at some point.

Yeah, he's the best player they have Bird Rights for (which isn't saying much) and I think they used the opportunity to operate as close to the tax apron as possible, which is actually a good thing if they end up using him in a trade. I don't think the issue is not understanding the cap; it's an issue of the talent:salary ratio here, but you have to assume Pat's agent showed the Bucks some offers that put him in this range. I think he's capable of a breakout year shooting the 3, so I'm okay with it.

Yeah, I believe he made a shooting adjustment towards the end of last season where he’s releasing the ball a little earlier at the apex of his jump rather than slightly after. I think that could really help him out.