2020 Preseason Speculation - Lineup battles underway

[AtheJ415]

I do have to say it is very entertaining reading the Suns fans responses to that tweet though.

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Lol. It is even more unbelievable he's behaving like this when he has made some of the worst decisions in recent franchise history. And whether Sarver is a problem or not, it is his job as GM to manage that and make the best of the situation for the suns (which he consistently failed to do)

Another guy is that Amin person on the Jump, he seems to make a living based on bagging out the suns from when he was there and take credit for anything good that happened and distance himself from any mistakes. If you're so smart, how come no one else has wanted you? From all accounts i've heard he wasn't even in a senior role with the suns anyway.

Amin was fired by the Suns. He has never been hired by another FO. I have no idea how he's kept his job at ESPN. He's insanely boring, very uninsightful, a complete and total ****, and just horrid across the board. He must not make much. Only logic I can see to him surviving ESPN's cuts repeatedly.

[bwgood77]

I do have to say it is very entertaining reading the Suns fans responses to that tweet though.

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Lol. It is even more unbelievable he's behaving like this when he has made some of the worst decisions in recent franchise history. And whether Sarver is a problem or not, it is his job as GM to manage that and make the best of the situation for the suns (which he consistently failed to do)

Another guy is that Amin person on the Jump, he seems to make a living based on bagging out the suns from when he was there and take credit for anything good that happened and distance himself from any mistakes. If you're so smart, how come no one else has wanted you? From all accounts i've heard he wasn't even in a senior role with the suns anyway.

Amin was fired by the Suns. He has never been hired by another FO. I have no idea how he's kept his job at ESPN. He's insanely boring, very uninsightful, a complete and total ****, and just horrid across the board. He must not make much. Only logic I can see to him surviving ESPN's cuts repeatedly.

I've never understood why he has that job either. I do remember he once was fired back at Woj when Woj referred to someone who worked at ESPN for working at a cable sports news company or something and Woj responded back to Amin with something like "What's amazing is that I'm breaking all this stuff when you have 500 NBA people working over there." I'm surprised he wasn't let go when Woj came on.

Edit: I found something about it...I guess it was 75..not 500 https://fansided.com/2014/06/24/adrian-wojnarowski-zings-espns-amin-elhassan-lebron-james-report/

[TeamTragic]

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It's in the wiretap, and he was actually on a radio show where they flat out asked him a leading question...something like "How does it feel to work for an owner like Joe Lacob who is willing to spend money to win championships?" or something like that. But his answer wasn't the best...something like "You hit the nail on the head...it's nice to be playing for an owner that is willing to invest in his team and put a good product on the court instead of just worrying about perception."

Meanwhile, Sarver is actually spending almost up to the luxury tax amount, where the Warriors were just at last year. They just got screwed because of the Klay injury. They are a lot richer too.

Eh Sarver wouldn’t actually pay the luxury tax this season and he won’t again unless it’s a guarantee the team is gonna be good. That’s why they released Okobo. This jersey thing is also insanely unprofessional. A ****** jersey costs like $100-$200 and they couldn’t let Oubre keep it? Especially after they used his face to market the whole thing till he got traded?

Lacob is paying $84M just for this season to add Oubre to the team. I can guarantee Sarver would never even spend half that for a player like Oubre if the roles were reversed.

Sarver is also laying off employees and deducting paychecks from employees at the arena. Meanwhile Joe Lacob donated $1M back in March to help their employees. Lacob also paid for an all exclusive trip for every single Golden State Warriors employee to make the trip to Cleveland for one of their finals games.

I’m sorry but Lacob and Sarver aren’t in the same universe when it comes to being a good owner. I don’t even like Lacob all that much with his “light years ahead” comments but there is no comparison between him and Sarver. Sarver is one of the worst owners to work for and countless employees have spoke to that over the last 15 years. I personally know few friends who worked for the Suns back in 2005-2007 and they all swear it was the worst job they’ve had in their lives due to horrible culture they had in their corporate offices (although at least the team was great then).

You don't have to convince me or anyone on this board. Sarver is a penny pinching **** one day and then flushes millions down the toilet the next.

Clearly he has impulse control issues and he needs someone that keeps him in check. Jones has played with champions and been a champion therefore he understands basketball better than pretty much anyone that this team has hired.

[suns12345]

Lol. It is even more unbelievable he's behaving like this when he has made some of the worst decisions in recent franchise history. And whether Sarver is a problem or not, it is his job as GM to manage that and make the best of the situation for the suns (which he consistently failed to do)

Another guy is that Amin person on the Jump, he seems to make a living based on bagging out the suns from when he was there and take credit for anything good that happened and distance himself from any mistakes. If you're so smart, how come no one else has wanted you? From all accounts i've heard he wasn't even in a senior role with the suns anyway.

Amin was fired by the Suns. He has never been hired by another FO. I have no idea how he's kept his job at ESPN. He's insanely boring, very uninsightful, a complete and total ****, and just horrid across the board. He must not make much. Only logic I can see to him surviving ESPN's cuts repeatedly.

I've never understood why he has that job either. I do remember he once was fired back at Woj when Woj referred to someone who worked at ESPN for working at a cable sports news company or something and Woj responded back to Amin with something like "What's amazing is that I'm breaking all this stuff when you have 500 NBA people working over there." I'm surprised he wasn't let go when Woj came on.

Edit: I found something about it...I guess it was 75..not 500 https://fansided.com/2014/06/24/adrian-wojnarowski-zings-espns-amin-elhassan-lebron-james-report/

Good for Amin, he's got a cool job. But the Jump sucks in general and he's one of the worst bits about it.

Watch them all suck up to the suns now theyre good too.

[Fo-Real]

Boy we had a beautiful vibe going in here for a couple days about the team filling out and then Mc D ick came along and pissed on the parade!! Now its a bitch fest again. Par for the course round here from time to time.

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[darealjuice]

I don't understand that decision

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't understand that decision

All I can think is the trade market for Buddy must be horrific. Otherwise it was a no brainier to keep Bogdan and flip Heild.

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[bwgood77]

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[lilfishi22]

I don't understand that decision

Probably a few reasons

1. They have a crapload invested in Hield and Fox now and either they can't move Hield too easily or they don't value BogBog as highly. The Haliburton draft also means they are likely set in the guard positions.
2. I get the impression that perhaps behind the scene there was some negative feelings from the failed S&T to the Bucks. WHen it was was announced, I'm sure BogBog was keen to get out of there and onto a team with a little more promise.
3. On a similar note, Atlanta is a team with a lot of promise, they appear to be going after it and looking at their roster, looks like he could be their starting 2. Point 2 and 3 leads me to think that he asked the Kings not to match

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Kings should have at least made a half serious attempt of telling the Hawks they were going to match, and maybe they would be willing to do a S&T.

[darealjuice]

I don't understand that decision

Probably a few reasons

1. They have a crapload invested in Hield and Fox now and either they can't move Hield too easily or they don't value BogBog as highly. The Haliburton draft also means they are likely set in the guard positions.
2. I get the impression that perhaps behind the scene there was some negative feelings from the failed S&T to the Bucks. WHen it was was announced, I'm sure BogBog was keen to get out of there and onto a team with a little more promise.
3. On a similar note, Atlanta is a team with a lot of promise, they appear to be going after it and looking at their roster, looks like he could be their starting 2. Point 2 and 3 leads me to think that he asked the Kings not to match

I understand it from Atlanta's perspective. I've always liked his game, and I don't think that this contract is much of an overpay given how some other guys got paid.

I also understand the Kings feeling like they have depth with Fox, Hield, and Haliburton, and him telling them not to match wouldn't surpise me. I just don't get letting him walk away with nothing in return, especially when it seemed like there were potential partners for a sign and trade out there.

[bigfoot]

Kings should have at least made a half serious attempt of telling the Hawks they were going to match, and maybe they would be willing to do a S&T.

Once Bogi signed the offer sheet it was all over. Trade Limitations — After exercising a Right of First Refusal (matching the offer sheet), the team cannot trade that player for one year without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, he cannot be traded to the team whose Offer Sheet was matched for one year.

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It's pretty easy to name everyone unless that's not Frankenstein.

Dick Van Arsdale ... aka Flying Dutchman ... aka The Original Sun

[bwgood77]

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It's pretty easy to name everyone unless that's not Frankenstein.

Dick Van Arsdale ... aka Flying Dutchman ... aka The Original Sun

OK, well before my time..I didn't think Frankenstein played for the Suns actually, but I wasn't entirely sure.

[bwgood77]

I don't understand that decision

Probably a few reasons

1. They have a crapload invested in Hield and Fox now and either they can't move Hield too easily or they don't value BogBog as highly. The Haliburton draft also means they are likely set in the guard positions.
2. I get the impression that perhaps behind the scene there was some negative feelings from the failed S&T to the Bucks. WHen it was was announced, I'm sure BogBog was keen to get out of there and onto a team with a little more promise.
3. On a similar note, Atlanta is a team with a lot of promise, they appear to be going after it and looking at their roster, looks like he could be their starting 2. Point 2 and 3 leads me to think that he asked the Kings not to match

I understand it from Atlanta's perspective. I've always liked his game, and I don't think that this contract is much of an overpay given how some other guys got paid.

I also understand the Kings feeling like they have depth with Fox, Hield, and Haliburton, and him telling them not to match wouldn't surpise me. I just don't get letting him walk away with nothing in return, especially when it seemed like there were potential partners for a sign and trade out there.

So who do you think starts? I think they obviously have to start Gallinari. No way they start Collins OVER him. I've seen it proposed here that Gallinari start at the 3, which would allow all their best players to play, but that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a defensive perspective.

I also saw a:

Trae/Rondo/Dunn
Bogdan/Huerter/Reddish
Reddish/Hunter
Collins/Gallinari/Hunter
Capela/Okongwu

I think I might be missing someone or have wrong the exact depth, and I don't think they had Hunter as a depth piece at the 4. If Reddish and Hunter hit their pre draft (or in Reddish's case, pre college basketball season) hype, then they will be really tough and deep...with a few nice vet pieces in Rondo, Gallinari, Bogdan and Capela along with the young guys...then some defensive PGs behind Trae.

I don't like the Collins ahead of Gallinari though, and I don't think you are able to sign Gallinari without starting him.

They could do more of a 5 out at times with Collins and Gallinari in the frontcourt, but that lacks defense...but if they need quick offense and to open it up it could work for small stretches and they could just ry to simply outscore people...I'd probably put Huerter at 2 and Bogdan at 3 in that case for maximized 3 pt shooting though.

As a matter of fact, I'd start Huerter and Bogdan at 2/3 if you are really going for the vets competing and let the younger guys battle for playing time (outside of Trae over Rondo of course)

I'd go

Trae
Huerter
Bogdan
Gallinari
Capela

Sub in Collins for Capela first, then maybe sub in Hunter for Gallinari, then you can sub in Reddish at one of the other spots, and the more young guys you have at 2/3/4, then you put Rondo in.

Then get Capela back in for Collins after not too long. Some minutes for Okongwu if ready, but he may be a ways off for a team ready to make a playoff push.

[bwgood77]

Kings should have at least made a half serious attempt of telling the Hawks they were going to match, and maybe they would be willing to do a S&T.

Once Bogi signed the offer sheet it was all over. Trade Limitations — After exercising a Right of First Refusal (matching the offer sheet), the team cannot trade that player for one year without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, he cannot be traded to the team whose Offer Sheet was matched for one year.

You've said this before, and you are right, and this offseason is obviously weird, but typically with the 3 day moratorium, players verbally agree to an offer sheet at some point in there, and it gives the team with the player time to think about it, decide to match, or threaten to match if a S&T is not reached. But yes, once it is physically signed, all they can do is match. Of course with the verbal offer, the RFA could choose not to tell the team he is on about it and then just sign the offer sheet but then he risks it being matched and having zero chance for a S&T...which is not good for him if he really wants to go.

[bigfoot]

Kings should have at least made a half serious attempt of telling the Hawks they were going to match, and maybe they would be willing to do a S&T.

Once Bogi signed the offer sheet it was all over. Trade Limitations — After exercising a Right of First Refusal (matching the offer sheet), the team cannot trade that player for one year without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, he cannot be traded to the team whose Offer Sheet was matched for one year.

You've said this before, and you are right, and this offseason is obviously weird, but typically with the 3 day moratorium, players verbally agree to an offer sheet at some point in there, and it gives the team with the player time to think about it, decide to match, or threaten to match if a S&T is not reached. But yes, once it is physically signed, all they can do is match. Of course with the verbal offer, the RFA could choose not to tell the team he is on about it and then just sign the offer sheet but then he risks it being matched and having zero chance for a S&T...which is not good for him if he really wants to go.

Some signings can take place during the moratorium period, which are:

Teams signing their first-round Draft picks to standard rookie-scale contracts.
Second-round Draft picks accepting a required tender, which is a one-year contract offer teams must submit to keep the rights to that player.
Restricted free agents can accept qualifying offers from their existing team.
A restricted free agent finishing the fourth year of his rookie-scale contract can accept a maximum qualifying offer.
A restricted free agent can sign an offer sheet with a new team, which triggers the 2-day period for his original team to match it.
Players can be signed to minimum-salary contracts for one or two seasons (but the deals have no bonuses of any kind).
Teams can sign players to Two-Way contracts, turn a Two-Way contract into a standard NBA contract or convert certain standard NBA contracts into a Two-Way contract.
Teams can waive players or claim players waived by other teams.
Otherwise, all other signings must wait until after the moratorium period ends.

[bwgood77]

Once Bogi signed the offer sheet it was all over. Trade Limitations — After exercising a Right of First Refusal (matching the offer sheet), the team cannot trade that player for one year without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, he cannot be traded to the team whose Offer Sheet was matched for one year.

You've said this before, and you are right, and this offseason is obviously weird, but typically with the 3 day moratorium, players verbally agree to an offer sheet at some point in there, and it gives the team with the player time to think about it, decide to match, or threaten to match if a S&T is not reached. But yes, once it is physically signed, all they can do is match. Of course with the verbal offer, the RFA could choose not to tell the team he is on about it and then just sign the offer sheet but then he risks it being matched and having zero chance for a S&T...which is not good for him if he really wants to go.

Some signings can take place during the moratorium period, which are:

Teams signing their first-round Draft picks to standard rookie-scale contracts.
Second-round Draft picks accepting a required tender, which is a one-year contract offer teams must submit to keep the rights to that player.
Restricted free agents can accept qualifying offers from their existing team.
A restricted free agent finishing the fourth year of his rookie-scale contract can accept a maximum qualifying offer.
A restricted free agent can sign an offer sheet with a new team, which triggers the 2-day period for his original team to match it.
Players can be signed to minimum-salary contracts for one or two seasons (but the deals have no bonuses of any kind).
Teams can sign players to Two-Way contracts, turn a Two-Way contract into a standard NBA contract or convert certain standard NBA contracts into a Two-Way contract.
Teams can waive players or claim players waived by other teams.
Otherwise, all other signings must wait until after the moratorium period ends.

I'm pretty sure offer sheets cannot be signed, though they can be agreed upon, just like an UFA courting and agreement in principle, but nothing can be signed that has to do with another team's player until after the moratorium.

[SuperSunsFan]

firing MCD and Amin were not the worst decisions Bob has made, hiring them and keep them for so long (in MCD's case) were.