NYK/CHA/BOS - 3 team (part of Hayward S&T)

[MasterIchiro]

I don't hate this deal but I just can't see Knicks being involved without Rozier going there. They tried to sign Rozier. Rozier's contract is now down to the 2 years the Knicks presumably offered and it was front loaded. Rozier would be the best vet on the Knicks and bring a stability to their rebuild. Devonte' broke out since we signed him and we moved from 8 to 3 to snag a franchise PG. We have an embarrassment of the riches at the position. Who is the Knicks starting PG?

[patman66]

For 2 2nds, send Bullock BOS's way.
He'll fit into the Kanter TPE. We still get the full Hayward one.

it evens up the money more from NY as they are taking in 27 mill and randle is 23 over two, bullocks 4 mil pretty much takes it up. and he will likely get 8-10 mins on the celts too.

[Rockazoids]

I don't hate this deal but I just can't see Knicks being involved without Rozier going there. They tried to sign Rozier. Rozier's contract is now down to the 2 years the Knicks presumably offered and it was front loaded. Rozier would be the best vet on the Knicks and bring a stability to their rebuild. Devonte' broke out since we signed him and we moved from 8 to 3 to snag a franchise PG. We have an embarrassment of the riches at the position. Who is the Knicks starting PG?

Because there is no reason for NY to take on $36.8 M to help CHA sign Hayward for nothing. With that " embarrassment of the riches at the position" they are going to have to pay to move Rozier or lose Devonte as a RFA or go into cap Hell.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't hate this deal but I just can't see Knicks being involved without Rozier going there. They tried to sign Rozier. Rozier's contract is now down to the 2 years the Knicks presumably offered and it was front loaded. Rozier would be the best vet on the Knicks and bring a stability to their rebuild. Devonte' broke out since we signed him and we moved from 8 to 3 to snag a franchise PG. We have an embarrassment of the riches at the position. Who is the Knicks starting PG?

Because there is no reason for NY to take on $36.8 M to help CHA sign Hayward for nothing. With that " embarrassment of the riches at the position" they are going to have to pay to move Rozier or lose Devonte as a RFA or go into cap Hell.

We'll see.

[jayjaysee]

It's steep but worth it. I question whether Ainge would send two seconds. Until Hayward actually signs, there's always a chance it falls apart and Boston still has Bird rights.

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I was initially going to ask you not to tease Dallas fans with the chance of Hayward being in the market again.

But then I remembered the contract he got. So I’m really hoping they work it out.

[jayjaysee]

I don't hate this deal but I just can't see Knicks being involved without Rozier going there. They tried to sign Rozier. Rozier's contract is now down to the 2 years the Knicks presumably offered and it was front loaded. Rozier would be the best vet on the Knicks and bring a stability to their rebuild. Devonte' broke out since we signed him and we moved from 8 to 3 to snag a franchise PG. We have an embarrassment of the riches at the position. Who is the Knicks starting PG?

Because there is no reason for NY to take on $36.8 M to help CHA sign Hayward for nothing. With that " embarrassment of the riches at the position" they are going to have to pay to move Rozier or lose Devonte as a RFA or go into cap Hell.

I don’t agree with this..

It’s a bit different than Buddy/Bog as Rozier will expire one year after Graham is paid. One year cap hell isn’t cap hell.

And Graham/Terry played 21 minutes per game last year together. Bog/Bud played 11.6 mpg.

[patman66]

I've proposed similar. 4 2nds seems high for NY to get, but on the other side, I think at the end of the day giving up 2 2nds to do this benefits BOS and CHA so if NY holds strong I can see them extracting something like that

CHA actually gets back a useable player for their front court who fits the mold of what they tried to sign in Trez Harrell. (I think they're real plan was to sign both Hayward/Trez which would have required the stretch on Batum, hence it even being discussed as an option to begin with - but now that it's just Hayward it seems silly hence the S&T rumored.) They get contractual but also on court value here. They upgrade their on court rotation and they avoid the massive dead money spikes in the future years where they do figure to be able to use cap space if they preserve it. (Randle's $4M guarantee next year is reasonable to stretch at that time.)

BOS has a pretty full roster going forward with a "Core 4" of Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum and then a whole unit of recent 1st round picks in Pritchard/Langford/Nesmith/G Williams/R Williams. 2nd round picks at the end of the day just don't mean much to this team. Even if it ends up going unused, a massive TPE like this is worth however many 2nds it takes to generate.

yeah I think the reason if the NYK hold firm is that they would have the most leverage in the deal from a sense that they could just hold firm and just play out the season with Randle as an expiring.

CHA needs to clear room (ideally not through a stretch)
BOS like you said probably values the TPE over 2nd round picks as well.

hold firm to what? Why wouldn't the FO want to improve the team? Toppin is not a freshman, he is experienced, and a vet PG is needed on the team. I was actually surprised that the knicks did not move on one of the PGs from Mil.

[mpharris36]

I've proposed similar. 4 2nds seems high for NY to get, but on the other side, I think at the end of the day giving up 2 2nds to do this benefits BOS and CHA so if NY holds strong I can see them extracting something like that

CHA actually gets back a useable player for their front court who fits the mold of what they tried to sign in Trez Harrell. (I think they're real plan was to sign both Hayward/Trez which would have required the stretch on Batum, hence it even being discussed as an option to begin with - but now that it's just Hayward it seems silly hence the S&T rumored.) They get contractual but also on court value here. They upgrade their on court rotation and they avoid the massive dead money spikes in the future years where they do figure to be able to use cap space if they preserve it. (Randle's $4M guarantee next year is reasonable to stretch at that time.)

BOS has a pretty full roster going forward with a "Core 4" of Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum and then a whole unit of recent 1st round picks in Pritchard/Langford/Nesmith/G Williams/R Williams. 2nd round picks at the end of the day just don't mean much to this team. Even if it ends up going unused, a massive TPE like this is worth however many 2nds it takes to generate.

yeah I think the reason if the NYK hold firm is that they would have the most leverage in the deal from a sense that they could just hold firm and just play out the season with Randle as an expiring.

CHA needs to clear room (ideally not through a stretch)
BOS like you said probably values the TPE over 2nd round picks as well.

hold firm to what? Why wouldn't the FO want to improve the team? Toppin is not a freshman, he is experienced, and a vet PG is needed on the team. I was actually surprised that the knicks did not move on one of the PGs from Mil.

The knicks aren't going to be good. I think we all realize that. But people also want to come. DJ Augistin got 3 years and decent money to play with a championship contender...why exactly would he settle to playing for the knicks unless they overpaid him like crazy?

I think most fans think our best chance is to be bad in a stacked 2021 draft. Even if you miss out on the top there are plenty of guys that would have went #1 this year.

[patman66]

yeah I think the reason if the NYK hold firm is that they would have the most leverage in the deal from a sense that they could just hold firm and just play out the season with Randle as an expiring.

CHA needs to clear room (ideally not through a stretch)
BOS like you said probably values the TPE over 2nd round picks as well.

hold firm to what? Why wouldn't the FO want to improve the team? Toppin is not a freshman, he is experienced, and a vet PG is needed on the team. I was actually surprised that the knicks did not move on one of the PGs from Mil.

The knicks aren't going to be good. I think we all realize that. But people also want to come. DJ Augistin got 3 years and decent money to play with a championship contender...why exactly would he settle to playing for the knicks unless they overpaid him like crazy?

I think most fans think our best chance is to be bad in a stacked 2021 draft. Even if you miss out on the top there are plenty of guys that would have went #1 this year.

I just think that the kids that are on the knicks would benefit from having a capable PG rather than Randle on the team. At the very least the Knicks should sign Napier. A vet pg is not going to make the knicks record next year much better but he will help develop the kids.

[mpharris36]

hold firm to what? Why wouldn't the FO want to improve the team? Toppin is not a freshman, he is experienced, and a vet PG is needed on the team. I was actually surprised that the knicks did not move on one of the PGs from Mil.

The knicks aren't going to be good. I think we all realize that. But people also want to come. DJ Augistin got 3 years and decent money to play with a championship contender...why exactly would he settle to playing for the knicks unless they overpaid him like crazy?

I think most fans think our best chance is to be bad in a stacked 2021 draft. Even if you miss out on the top there are plenty of guys that would have went #1 this year.

I just think that the kids that are on the knicks would benefit from having a capable PG rather than Randle on the team. At the very least the Knicks should sign Napier. A vet pg is not going to make the knicks record next year much better but he will help develop the kids.

I agree I think most fans want Randle gone. But the kentucky connection just seems to be too strong with the Knicks right now.

And yes the knicks PG's suck...but lets not act like Napier would be a improvement. He is a bum too.

[username_taken]

Would definitely be fine giving a couple crappy 2nds to create the TPE. Likely wouldn't end up doing anything for the Cs but the outside chance that it's instrumental in making a key move makes it worth it

[BowlRips]

Would definitely be fine giving a couple crappy 2nds to create the TPE. Likely wouldn't end up doing anything for the Cs but the outside chance that it's instrumental in making a key move makes it worth it

Would you be fine giving up 'crappy 2nds' to get Julius Randle and an $8mil TPE?

[username_taken]

Would definitely be fine giving a couple crappy 2nds to create the TPE. Likely wouldn't end up doing anything for the Cs but the outside chance that it's instrumental in making a key move makes it worth it

Would you be fine giving up 'crappy 2nds' to get Julius Randle and an $8mil TPE?

No. The TPE has more value to the Celtics than Randle does

[SARGO127]

This deal or something similar needs to happen.

I’d settle for 1 2nd from each team.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Make it BOS 2021 First top 20 protected (turns to two seconds) to NY. Pretty sure that’s what GSW sent Brooklyn to turn D’angelo into a S&T.

Then send the two seconds from CHA to BOS.

[patman66]

The knicks aren't going to be good. I think we all realize that. But people also want to come. DJ Augistin got 3 years and decent money to play with a championship contender...why exactly would he settle to playing for the knicks unless they overpaid him like crazy?

I think most fans think our best chance is to be bad in a stacked 2021 draft. Even if you miss out on the top there are plenty of guys that would have went #1 this year.

I just think that the kids that are on the knicks would benefit from having a capable PG rather than Randle on the team. At the very least the Knicks should sign Napier. A vet pg is not going to make the knicks record next year much better but he will help develop the kids.

I agree I think most fans want Randle gone. But the kentucky connection just seems to be too strong with the Knicks right now.

And yes the knicks PG's suck...but lets not act like Napier would be a improvement. He is a bum too.

I thought he looked good running the wizards last year