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[KG Leonard]

It's gonna suck to see some of the guys move on (Gini, Milner).

Gini is playing the best of the midfield right now,the guy bosses the midfield like prime Roy Keane but with more technical skills,box to box play. Sure he doesn't score,attack as much as in the Holland national team but its really great to see him turn away players, win balls,be totally pressing resistant. Making him sign new contract would be like a great signing. There is no pool player with his skills both defensively, offensively. Henderson is good ball winner, long passing but not nearly as strong offensively.

I'm not that high on Gini. What he has over any other midfielder in the club, is that he's never injured. But Gini for Holland and Gini for Liverpool are two different players. He don't give us any creativity and are very limited on offense. His tendency to take out the tempo can be key but also a hindrance, depending on the team we play. Very solid player indeed, but give me Hendo and Fabinho over Gini. If Thiago can play like he did at Bayern, i'd take him aswell.

Gini in Liverpool is defensive balance player you can't compare him to his position in Holland where he has Coutinho like CAM,. You cant say he is limited. He has to be conservative to give Fabinho/Henderson the deep playmaking role,Keita the CAM role. Fabinho hasnt done 10% of what Gini has done in Liverpool,PL,Holland. Fabinho is a good passer but hardly a Thiago or great DM so far. Thiago is a passing genius,technically more like Iniesta type. You can't compare him and Gini. Klopp has given Gini more defensive role. Its like saying Kante is limited, weak player because he doesn't play an offensive role like De Bruyne. Gini was dangerous box to box player that scored two goals in CL semifinal but since 2018 he barely takes runs offensively. Him,Henderson is big reason why the defence has improved the last two years,they work other teams midfield to death like what happened to Leicester. This kind of player will be missed. I rate Fabinho highly but he is a poor mans Thiago who can't dribble after Thiago joined.

[aggerrard]

Gini is playing the best of the midfield right now,the guy bosses the midfield like prime Roy Keane but with more technical skills,box to box play. Sure he doesn't score,attack as much as in the Holland national team but its really great to see him turn away players, win balls,be totally pressing resistant. Making him sign new contract would be like a great signing. There is no pool player with his skills both defensively, offensively. Henderson is good ball winner, long passing but not nearly as strong offensively.

I'm not that high on Gini. What he has over any other midfielder in the club, is that he's never injured. But Gini for Holland and Gini for Liverpool are two different players. He don't give us any creativity and are very limited on offense. His tendency to take out the tempo can be key but also a hindrance, depending on the team we play. Very solid player indeed, but give me Hendo and Fabinho over Gini. If Thiago can play like he did at Bayern, i'd take him aswell.

Gini in Liverpool is defensive balance player you can't compare him to his position in Holland where he has Coutinho like CAM,. You cant say he is limited. He has to be conservative to give Fabinho/Henderson the deep playmaking role,Keita the CAM role. Fabinho hasnt done 10% of what Gini has done in Liverpool,PL,Holland. Fabinho is a good passer but hardly a Thiago or great DM so far. Thiago is a passing genius,technically more like Iniesta type. You can't compare him and Gini. Klopp has given Gini more defensive role. Its like saying Kante is limited, weak player because he doesn't play an offensive role like De Bruyne. Gini was dangerous box to box player that scored two goals in CL semifinal but since 2018 he barely takes runs offensively. Him,Henderson is big reason why the defence has improved the last two years,they work other teams midfield to death like what happened to Leicester. This kind of player will be missed. I rate Fabinho highly but he is a poor mans Thiago who can't dribble after Thiago joined.

1. agree, Gini is a balance player.

2. Our two 8's are more balance players - same with Keita or Curtis when they are playing. But stat's don't lie. Gini do lack creativity and haven't had a single assist in almost 2½ season and he isn't a threat outside the penalty area.

3. Disagree. After a few shaky month, Fabinho became a key-player in his first season as the holding midfielder. He is absolutely one of the very best at his position in the world. His greatess attribute isn't his passing, but the recoveries he makes and how he disrupt the opponent. He has been extremely important for the evolution under Klopp with the fullbacks being one of the main forces in our offense.

4. Gini has taken his game to the next level thanks to Klopp and the new position.

5. Have i called Gini a weak player? He is limited, just as Kanté is limited. Comparing the offensive skillset of Kanté with De Bruyne, yes Kanté is very limited. He was world class, prob the best in the world, when he played as a 6. When Jorginho came and Kanté were forced to play as an 8 with less defensive responsibility and a more offensive role, his performances clearly took a dip. His best qualities is to control the midfield and disrupt the opponents attacks - and for De Bruyne his best qualities is to dictate an offense and open up opponents defenses. So yes, Kanté is limited - just as Gini is.

6. Yes, he scored two goals against Barcelona in 2019. His only two goals in the ChL campaign that season. At no point in his Liverpool career, Gini has been a dangerous offensive player. That's just the facts.

7. I'd give more credit to Van Dijk, Alisson and Fabinho for the improved defense. Both Gini and Hendo has lifted their game to another level after those three came in and established a defensive structure and a balance on the team. And speaking of the Leicester game, Keita and Curtis both had huge games and stood out more than Gini.

8. Fabinho's role isn't to dribble the ball. It's to protect the defense and distribute the ball. With Gomez and Virgil out for most of, if not all season, he's expected to play major minutes as a CB. So far done it very well, completely shut down Werner when we played Chelsea and didn't make a single mistake when we played Leicester.

9. All in all. I like Gini, he's a great player and very solid. But he can be replaced and i do believe we have better players in the midfield, though not one of them are as reliable and solid as Gini.

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[danfantastk32]

Honestly, those last couple CL games aside in 2019.....I don't rate Wijnaldum highly at all. He's got a place in my heart for 19 but otherwise I've felt he was a poor signing. I'd be fine if he leaves. I hear Barca wants him. Hellz yeah...if they wanna shell out good $$$ for him! I mentioned Salah earlier, but if they want Wijnaldum....go for it!

I read some guys rate him...and that's fine. I don't watch too much outside of Liv these days...so perhaps he's the best thing since sliced bread. I just don't see it. Not here. He's been one of those guys I always watch, and wonder why he's out there. Seen a few solid games...but perhaps it's position/fit??? Dunno. But I won't shed tears if he moves on. Especially if we actually get some good grub for him from Barca.

[danfantastk32]

7. I'd give more credit to Van Dijk, Alisson and Fabinho for the improved defense.

Couldn't agree with this more. Couldn't agree with this more. COULDN'T AGREE WITH THIS MORE




Did I mention that I couldn't agree with this more??

Shout out to Trent and my boy Robertson. Developed into some damn fine players in my opinion. They bring D by being a constant threat forward. It's been a treat to watch.

[danfantastk32]

Oh and Cactus...hope all's well. I havent been on the boards for a couple months, so thought I'd say hi

[Cactus Jack]

But I won't shed tears if he moves on. Especially if we actually get some good grub for him from Barca.

I don't think we will. Rumor was Barca we're only offering 10-15m during the window. He only had like 1 year left on his deal. He'll walk next Summer, if they don't extend him or ship him off in January.

[aggerrard]

This is even worse than the Villa game. Now we are forced to play the strongest 11 against Ajax. Pathetic.

[HIF]

Seems that you put all your effort into beating Leicester. Why didn't you play like this against us?

[danfantastk32]

Seems that you put all your effort into beating Leicester. Why didn't you play like this against us?

I always feel this way with Arsenal. It's been a couple years, but I remember they always seemed to pick it up, and play us with 100% passion and dedication. The following week they'd drop it against Burnley, or whatever. Always annoyed me.

[danfantastk32]

But I won't shed tears if he moves on. Especially if we actually get some good grub for him from Barca.

I don't think we will. Rumor was Barca we're only offering 10-15m during the window. He only had like 1 year left on his deal. He'll walk next Summer, if they don't extend him or ship him off in January.

Damn. Oh well.

[KG Leonard]

I'm not that high on Gini. What he has over any other midfielder in the club, is that he's never injured. But Gini for Holland and Gini for Liverpool are two different players. He don't give us any creativity and are very limited on offense. His tendency to take out the tempo can be key but also a hindrance, depending on the team we play. Very solid player indeed, but give me Hendo and Fabinho over Gini. If Thiago can play like he did at Bayern, i'd take him aswell.

Gini in Liverpool is defensive balance player you can't compare him to his position in Holland where he has Coutinho like CAM,. You cant say he is limited. He has to be conservative to give Fabinho/Henderson the deep playmaking role,Keita the CAM role. Fabinho hasnt done 10% of what Gini has done in Liverpool,PL,Holland. Fabinho is a good passer but hardly a Thiago or great DM so far. Thiago is a passing genius,technically more like Iniesta type. You can't compare him and Gini. Klopp has given Gini more defensive role. Its like saying Kante is limited, weak player because he doesn't play an offensive role like De Bruyne. Gini was dangerous box to box player that scored two goals in CL semifinal but since 2018 he barely takes runs offensively. Him,Henderson is big reason why the defence has improved the last two years,they work other teams midfield to death like what happened to Leicester. This kind of player will be missed. I rate Fabinho highly but he is a poor mans Thiago who can't dribble after Thiago joined.

1. agree, Gini is a balance player.

2. Our two 8's are more balance players - same with Keita or Curtis when they are playing. But stat's don't lie. Gini do lack creativity and haven't had a single assist in almost 2½ season and he isn't a threat outside the penalty area.

3. Disagree. After a few shaky month, Fabinho became a key-player in his first season as the holding midfielder. He is absolutely one of the very best at his position in the world. His greatess attribute isn't his passing, but the recoveries he makes and how he disrupt the opponent. He has been extremely important for the evolution under Klopp with the fullbacks being one of the main forces in our offense.

4. Gini has taken his game to the next level thanks to Klopp and the new position.

5. Have i called Gini a weak player? He is limited, just as Kanté is limited. Comparing the offensive skillset of Kanté with De Bruyne, yes Kanté is very limited. He was world class, prob the best in the world, when he played as a 6. When Jorginho came and Kanté were forced to play as an 8 with less defensive responsibility and a more offensive role, his performances clearly took a dip. His best qualities is to control the midfield and disrupt the opponents attacks - and for De Bruyne his best qualities is to dictate an offense and open up opponents defenses. So yes, Kanté is limited - just as Gini is.

6. Yes, he scored two goals against Barcelona in 2019. His only two goals in the ChL campaign that season. At no point in his Liverpool career, Gini has been a dangerous offensive player. That's just the facts.

7. I'd give more credit to Van Dijk, Alisson and Fabinho for the improved defense. Both Gini and Hendo has lifted their game to another level after those three came in and established a defensive structure and a balance on the team. And speaking of the Leicester game, Keita and Curtis both had huge games and stood out more than Gini.

8. Fabinho's role isn't to dribble the ball. It's to protect the defense and distribute the ball. With Gomez and Virgil out for most of, if not all season, he's expected to play major minutes as a CB. So far done it very well, completely shut down Werner when we played Chelsea and didn't make a single mistake when we played Leicester.

9. All in all. I like Gini, he's a great player and very solid. But he can be replaced and i do believe we have better players in the midfield, though not one of them are as reliable and solid as Gini.

I'm not sure he can be replaced by current players, Keita is weak as ball winner,he is made of glass with all his injuries, defensively much worse than Gini. Fabinho has defensive qualities but he needs the ball to be better. Availability is the best skill you need quality players who can play tons of games like Gini. Henderson, Fabinho is much more injury prone. Of course Gini isnt irreplaceable as VVD,Alisson,Salah,Mane but i mean if i were a Liverpool fan I wouldn't like to weaken the team with losing him if i can't replace with the same level of great hardworking balance player.

[KG Leonard]

Seems that you put all your effort into beating Leicester. Why didn't you play like this against us?

Because they had Nico Williams who is much worse at defending than TAA even,the new Greek LB,R.Williams are not as good as Fabinho,Robertson,Matip defence?

I'm not surprised you need in good form, physicallly dominating players to play the energetic style like vs Leicester. Quality, form wise there is so many levels between Jota/Firmino and Origi. I also think the style of Liverpool you can't coast mentally,win games in CL. It is not City,Barca style.

[aggerrard]

Gini in Liverpool is defensive balance player you can't compare him to his position in Holland where he has Coutinho like CAM,. You cant say he is limited. He has to be conservative to give Fabinho/Henderson the deep playmaking role,Keita the CAM role. Fabinho hasnt done 10% of what Gini has done in Liverpool,PL,Holland. Fabinho is a good passer but hardly a Thiago or great DM so far. Thiago is a passing genius,technically more like Iniesta type. You can't compare him and Gini. Klopp has given Gini more defensive role. Its like saying Kante is limited, weak player because he doesn't play an offensive role like De Bruyne. Gini was dangerous box to box player that scored two goals in CL semifinal but since 2018 he barely takes runs offensively. Him,Henderson is big reason why the defence has improved the last two years,they work other teams midfield to death like what happened to Leicester. This kind of player will be missed. I rate Fabinho highly but he is a poor mans Thiago who can't dribble after Thiago joined.

1. agree, Gini is a balance player.

2. Our two 8's are more balance players - same with Keita or Curtis when they are playing. But stat's don't lie. Gini do lack creativity and haven't had a single assist in almost 2½ season and he isn't a threat outside the penalty area.

3. Disagree. After a few shaky month, Fabinho became a key-player in his first season as the holding midfielder. He is absolutely one of the very best at his position in the world. His greatess attribute isn't his passing, but the recoveries he makes and how he disrupt the opponent. He has been extremely important for the evolution under Klopp with the fullbacks being one of the main forces in our offense.

4. Gini has taken his game to the next level thanks to Klopp and the new position.

5. Have i called Gini a weak player? He is limited, just as Kanté is limited. Comparing the offensive skillset of Kanté with De Bruyne, yes Kanté is very limited. He was world class, prob the best in the world, when he played as a 6. When Jorginho came and Kanté were forced to play as an 8 with less defensive responsibility and a more offensive role, his performances clearly took a dip. His best qualities is to control the midfield and disrupt the opponents attacks - and for De Bruyne his best qualities is to dictate an offense and open up opponents defenses. So yes, Kanté is limited - just as Gini is.

6. Yes, he scored two goals against Barcelona in 2019. His only two goals in the ChL campaign that season. At no point in his Liverpool career, Gini has been a dangerous offensive player. That's just the facts.

7. I'd give more credit to Van Dijk, Alisson and Fabinho for the improved defense. Both Gini and Hendo has lifted their game to another level after those three came in and established a defensive structure and a balance on the team. And speaking of the Leicester game, Keita and Curtis both had huge games and stood out more than Gini.

8. Fabinho's role isn't to dribble the ball. It's to protect the defense and distribute the ball. With Gomez and Virgil out for most of, if not all season, he's expected to play major minutes as a CB. So far done it very well, completely shut down Werner when we played Chelsea and didn't make a single mistake when we played Leicester.

9. All in all. I like Gini, he's a great player and very solid. But he can be replaced and i do believe we have better players in the midfield, though not one of them are as reliable and solid as Gini.

I'm not sure he can be replaced by current players, Keita is weak as ball winner,he is made of glass with all his injuries, defensively much worse than Gini. Fabinho has defensive qualities but he needs the ball to be better. Availability is the best skill you need quality players who can play tons of games like Gini. Henderson, Fabinho is much more injury prone. Of course Gini isnt irreplaceable as VVD,Alisson,Salah,Mane but i mean if i were a Liverpool fan I wouldn't like to weaken the team with losing him if i can't replace with the same level of great hardworking balance player.

Keita can't be trusted because of the injuries. Whenever he seems to find a rythm he's out for 2-4 weeks. On his day he is a great tackler with flair and vision. To compare someone in the squad with Gini, it would be Hendo. I think Hendo brings higher intensity, more reliable on the last third and faster pace (ball movement). Gini are just reliable as no one else in the midfield, which makes him a great asset for the team.

I agree with the last part. With Thiago, Hendo, Ox, Keita out and Fabinho forced to play as CB (when he isn't injured himself), Gini is a key-player. Losing him would be a big loss - but unfortunately it seems like he's leaving on a free transfer after the season.

[KG Leonard]

1. agree, Gini is a balance player.

2. Our two 8's are more balance players - same with Keita or Curtis when they are playing. But stat's don't lie. Gini do lack creativity and haven't had a single assist in almost 2½ season and he isn't a threat outside the penalty area.

3. Disagree. After a few shaky month, Fabinho became a key-player in his first season as the holding midfielder. He is absolutely one of the very best at his position in the world. His greatess attribute isn't his passing, but the recoveries he makes and how he disrupt the opponent. He has been extremely important for the evolution under Klopp with the fullbacks being one of the main forces in our offense.

4. Gini has taken his game to the next level thanks to Klopp and the new position.

5. Have i called Gini a weak player? He is limited, just as Kanté is limited. Comparing the offensive skillset of Kanté with De Bruyne, yes Kanté is very limited. He was world class, prob the best in the world, when he played as a 6. When Jorginho came and Kanté were forced to play as an 8 with less defensive responsibility and a more offensive role, his performances clearly took a dip. His best qualities is to control the midfield and disrupt the opponents attacks - and for De Bruyne his best qualities is to dictate an offense and open up opponents defenses. So yes, Kanté is limited - just as Gini is.

6. Yes, he scored two goals against Barcelona in 2019. His only two goals in the ChL campaign that season. At no point in his Liverpool career, Gini has been a dangerous offensive player. That's just the facts.

7. I'd give more credit to Van Dijk, Alisson and Fabinho for the improved defense. Both Gini and Hendo has lifted their game to another level after those three came in and established a defensive structure and a balance on the team. And speaking of the Leicester game, Keita and Curtis both had huge games and stood out more than Gini.

8. Fabinho's role isn't to dribble the ball. It's to protect the defense and distribute the ball. With Gomez and Virgil out for most of, if not all season, he's expected to play major minutes as a CB. So far done it very well, completely shut down Werner when we played Chelsea and didn't make a single mistake when we played Leicester.

9. All in all. I like Gini, he's a great player and very solid. But he can be replaced and i do believe we have better players in the midfield, though not one of them are as reliable and solid as Gini.

I'm not sure he can be replaced by current players, Keita is weak as ball winner,he is made of glass with all his injuries, defensively much worse than Gini. Fabinho has defensive qualities but he needs the ball to be better. Availability is the best skill you need quality players who can play tons of games like Gini. Henderson, Fabinho is much more injury prone. Of course Gini isnt irreplaceable as VVD,Alisson,Salah,Mane but i mean if i were a Liverpool fan I wouldn't like to weaken the team with losing him if i can't replace with the same level of great hardworking balance player.

Keita can't be trusted because of the injuries. Whenever he seems to find a rythm he's out for 2-4 weeks. On his day he is a great tackler with flair and vision. To compare someone in the squad with Gini, it would be Hendo. I think Hendo brings higher intensity, more reliable on the last third and faster pace (ball movement). Gini are just reliable as no one else in the midfield, which makes him a great asset for the team.

I agree with the last part. With Thiago, Hendo, Ox, Keita out and Fabinho forced to play as CB (when he isn't injured himself), Gini is a key-player. Losing him would be a big loss - but unfortunately it seems like he's leaving on a free transfer after the season.

Yeah that's what i mean with the current midfield they have Gini is essential in the squad. What I don't understand is how can you let it get this far. You have to pay what he wants,he is too good and many teams would give him the raise he deserves.
Hendo is better passer,tackling player but Gini is far superior at running without the ball,with the ball. Gini,Hendo imo should always start in midfield together.

Pool fans should hope all these injuries mean Gini stays with better contract.

[danfantastk32]

Pool fans should hope all these injuries mean Gini stays with better contract.

Not wanting to argue.....my response would be that hopefully our guys are better by the start of next season. So we won't be needing Gini so much. If we have him signed through the season, and he truly has the quality....then let's see him earn a resign. I just havent been too impressed. But then I haven't been impressed with Keita either. Or Shaquiri.

I see talent in all these guys. I'm not calling them 'bums' or anything. And I freely admit that I rarely watch footy outside of Liverpool, and an occasional Arsenal game. So I am usually not aware of who most of these guys are until they arrive. They might be out of position, or playing roles they don't usually play. I can't really speak to that. I just watch a guy like Fabino show up, and almost immediately I see the guy imposing his will, and making hell for opposing teams. Haven't really seen that from alot of these other guys. Origi, Gini, Shaquiri, Keita.....they could all leave this summer, and I wouldn't hardly notice.

[KG Leonard]

Pool fans should hope all these injuries mean Gini stays with better contract.

Not wanting to argue.....my response would be that hopefully our guys are better by the start of next season. So we won't be needing Gini so much.

I just watch a guy like Fabino show up, and almost immediately I see the guy imposing his will, and making hell for opposing teams. Haven't really seen that from alot of these other guys. Origi, Gini, Shaquiri, Keita.....they could all leave this summer, and I wouldn't hardly notice.

Yeah no need to argue but interesting to discuss what you guys need for this season,that's why I think Ginis is important this season like in recent years. Next season you might buy a new version of him or Fabinho might become more important. Fabinho is sheer quality but he is more like potential right now since he has one season as starter in the squad. Gini plays more games than Mane, Salah. He is a 100 times more important than Origi,Keita, Shaqiri types in Klopp's eyes. Heh it is a little unfair to compare important starter to fringe players. I would rather spent alot more money on Gini as AS Roma fan than Henderson any day of the week. I admire Klopp, losing starters ,keep injury prone like Keita would weaken Liverpool. I like seeing Pool winning PL over City, Chelsea. So I'm looking at it from that POV.

[danfantastk32]

I like seeing Pool winning PL over City, Chelsea. So I'm looking at it from that POV.

I like seeing them win too! =0)

We'll see. I feel like a bit of complacency has set in since winning. The "hunger" isn't there, from what I am watching. As a fan, I posted a few months back that if they didn't win the prem this year, I would be fine...as I was so happy to finally win it last year. So I am prob more guilty than any of them!

Henderson has won me over the last couple years. I really like "the fight in the dog" with him. He's not always pretty. He may not be technical. But the guy has some fight. Jamie Carragher was the best example of that I can think of. Not particularly skilled, or fast...the guy thrived on giving 25% more effort than anyone else on the pitch. I see a bit of that in Hendo.

This will certainly be a challenging year for Liverpool.

[robbo1010]

after brighton game who plays RB? Don't think e ll go with CuJo from the off, gotta give Nico another run

[aggerrard]

Alisson out for 10-14 days prob - with him more like 3 weeks... Can we just skip december?

Well, doing well these first 6 minutes vs Ajax.