Kings make qualifying offer to Bogi

[LightTheBeam]

I'm over the decision. I've come to terms this was inevitable the last few days. That said, now I want to see Monte follow thru with his plan. Realistically, Buddy now becomes the full time starting 2 and should be happy about that. But more importantly, Monte and co have said this comes down to flexibility.

So we let a good player walk out the door for a fair market value contract, we better not turn around and sign Whiteside to a long-ish term deal. I've accepted Whiteside will likely be a member of the Kings (although id prefer a Skal reunion) but it better be a 1 year deal. Let Whiteside kill it in another contract year, maybe we flip him at the deadline.

And now is the time to let Buddy/Barnes build value back. Buddy can ideally stay for the next 1-2 years, then build enough to be flipped for value. Barnes should be moved next summer at the latest. Bjelica likely isn't in the long term plans, so look to move him ASAP, but he better be moved at some pt. Can't stomach losing our other Serb for nothing.

[SmellingColors]

I'm over the decision. I've come to terms this was inevitable the last few days. That said, now I want to see Monte follow thru with his plan. Realistically, Buddy now becomes the full time starting 2 and should be happy about that. But more importantly, Monte and co have said this comes down to flexibility.

So we let a good player walk out the door for a fair market value contract, we better not turn around and sign Whiteside to a long-ish term deal. I've accepted Whiteside will likely be a member of the Kings (although id prefer a Skal reunion) but it better be a 1 year deal. Let Whiteside kill it in another contract year, maybe we flip him at the deadline.

And now is the time to let Buddy/Barnes build value back. Buddy can ideally stay for the next 1-2 years, then build enough to be flipped for value. Barnes should be moved next summer at the latest. Bjelica likely isn't in the long term plans, so look to move him ASAP, but he better be moved at some pt. Can't stomach losing our other Serb for nothing.

I agree. Not retaining Bogdan was probably the right move, but I'm nervous about the length of a Whiteside contract. 1 year or 2 year team option is what I'm hoping for. Or just not signing him at all, but like you said it seems like it's in the cards.

[OGSactownballer]

I'm over the decision. I've come to terms this was inevitable the last few days. That said, now I want to see Monte follow thru with his plan. Realistically, Buddy now becomes the full time starting 2 and should be happy about that. But more importantly, Monte and co have said this comes down to flexibility.

So we let a good player walk out the door for a fair market value contract, we better not turn around and sign Whiteside to a long-ish term deal. I've accepted Whiteside will likely be a member of the Kings (although id prefer a Skal reunion) but it better be a 1 year deal. Let Whiteside kill it in another contract year, maybe we flip him at the deadline.

And now is the time to let Buddy/Barnes build value back. Buddy can ideally stay for the next 1-2 years, then build enough to be flipped for value. Barnes should be moved next summer at the latest. Bjelica likely isn't in the long term plans, so look to move him ASAP, but he better be moved at some pt. Can't stomach losing our other Serb for nothing.

One thing I would venture to disagree with you about.

The concept of fair market value.

I don’t actually believe that the contract was FMV. I think that in a normal FA year Bogdan sees a deal in the 10-13 or maybe a bit more range per year. And he might not be getting a four year deal. Realistically he happened to hit the market at the right time with a team out there that was willing to not only overpay, but also to build in scare off escalator clauses to keep his RDA rights team from matching comfortably.

I may be off base, but that’s really how I feel about it. And ultimately I am really glad to let him walk rather than continuing the trap of overpaying guys who aren’t really that food and don’t fit the kings term goals and potential franchise player that is already in place.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm over the decision. I've come to terms this was inevitable the last few days. That said, now I want to see Monte follow thru with his plan. Realistically, Buddy now becomes the full time starting 2 and should be happy about that. But more importantly, Monte and co have said this comes down to flexibility.

So we let a good player walk out the door for a fair market value contract, we better not turn around and sign Whiteside to a long-ish term deal. I've accepted Whiteside will likely be a member of the Kings (although id prefer a Skal reunion) but it better be a 1 year deal. Let Whiteside kill it in another contract year, maybe we flip him at the deadline.

And now is the time to let Buddy/Barnes build value back. Buddy can ideally stay for the next 1-2 years, then build enough to be flipped for value. Barnes should be moved next summer at the latest. Bjelica likely isn't in the long term plans, so look to move him ASAP, but he better be moved at some pt. Can't stomach losing our other Serb for nothing.

One thing I would venture to disagree with you about.

The concept of fair market value.

I don’t actually believe that the contract was FMV. I think that in a normal FA year Bogdan sees a deal in the 10-13 or maybe a bit more range per year. And he might not be getting a four year deal. Realistically he happened to hit the market at the right time with a team out there that was willing to not only overpay, but also to build in scare off escalator clauses to keep his RDA rights team from matching comfortably.

I may be off base, but that’s really how I feel about it. And ultimately I am really glad to let him walk rather than continuing the trap of overpaying guys who aren’t really that food and don’t fit the kings term goals and potential franchise player that is already in place.

I've got a very hard time believing a player of Bogdan's ability gets 10-13 million. This isn't 2010 anymore.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Take a look at salaries. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

The only comparable talent wise players in that 10-13 million range are Smart/Barton. Hes worse than Smart, but Smart would get paid easily 20million on the open market. And hes better than Barton.

Some good salary level comparisons are Bojan and LeVert. Both of which got paid right around where Bogdan did.

Doesn't mean we should have resigned him. But that was his market.

[BoogieTime]

I'm over the decision. I've come to terms this was inevitable the last few days. That said, now I want to see Monte follow thru with his plan. Realistically, Buddy now becomes the full time starting 2 and should be happy about that. But more importantly, Monte and co have said this comes down to flexibility.

So we let a good player walk out the door for a fair market value contract, we better not turn around and sign Whiteside to a long-ish term deal. I've accepted Whiteside will likely be a member of the Kings (although id prefer a Skal reunion) but it better be a 1 year deal. Let Whiteside kill it in another contract year, maybe we flip him at the deadline.

And now is the time to let Buddy/Barnes build value back. Buddy can ideally stay for the next 1-2 years, then build enough to be flipped for value. Barnes should be moved next summer at the latest. Bjelica likely isn't in the long term plans, so look to move him ASAP, but he better be moved at some pt. Can't stomach losing our other Serb for nothing.

One thing I would venture to disagree with you about.

The concept of fair market value.

I don’t actually believe that the contract was FMV. I think that in a normal FA year Bogdan sees a deal in the 10-13 or maybe a bit more range per year. And he might not be getting a four year deal. Realistically he happened to hit the market at the right time with a team out there that was willing to not only overpay, but also to build in scare off escalator clauses to keep his RDA rights team from matching comfortably.

I may be off base, but that’s really how I feel about it. And ultimately I am really glad to let him walk rather than continuing the trap of overpaying guys who aren’t really that food and don’t fit the kings term goals and potential franchise player that is already in place.

I've got a very hard time believing a player of Bogdan's ability gets 10-13 million. This isn't 2010 anymore.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Take a look at salaries. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

The only comparable talent wise players in that 10-13 million range are Smart/Barton. Hes worse than Smart, but Smart would get paid easily 20million on the open market. And hes better than Barton.

Some good salary level comparisons are Bojan and LeVert. Both of which got paid right around where Bogdan did.

Doesn't mean we should have resigned him. But that was his market.

One of those is a youth with upside, and the other I think the general nba fan would consider a bit better.

[Lost in LA]

Not a great start by the new GM, although he did not create the problem. Bogi was a good solid player but not a very good one. The rebuilding must start now, and we all have to hope Bagley can play a full season and deliver.

[SacKingZZZ]

It's a strange feeling that has come over me. I think this team might have a competent GM on it's hands. He almost had a decent package for Bogdan and when the Bucks Bucked themselves and him he didn't waver. He went ahead with the plan.

[blind prophet]

Bogi's contract is net negative fellas. A year from now we'd have to offer incentive to dump him.

We lucked out.

Instead of Jarl Thompandry

We'd have

Body Hogdonovic

[Jstock12]

This was a contract for Bogdan's prime years. Strange you wouldn't match that. Seemed like a no-brainer. And it would have been a very tradeable contract too.

Bizarre asset management. Flexibility just for the sake of having flexibility.

[LightTheBeam]

One thing I would venture to disagree with you about.

The concept of fair market value.

I don’t actually believe that the contract was FMV. I think that in a normal FA year Bogdan sees a deal in the 10-13 or maybe a bit more range per year. And he might not be getting a four year deal. Realistically he happened to hit the market at the right time with a team out there that was willing to not only overpay, but also to build in scare off escalator clauses to keep his RDA rights team from matching comfortably.

I may be off base, but that’s really how I feel about it. And ultimately I am really glad to let him walk rather than continuing the trap of overpaying guys who aren’t really that food and don’t fit the kings term goals and potential franchise player that is already in place.

I've got a very hard time believing a player of Bogdan's ability gets 10-13 million. This isn't 2010 anymore.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Take a look at salaries. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

The only comparable talent wise players in that 10-13 million range are Smart/Barton. Hes worse than Smart, but Smart would get paid easily 20million on the open market. And hes better than Barton.

Some good salary level comparisons are Bojan and LeVert. Both of which got paid right around where Bogdan did.

Doesn't mean we should have resigned him. But that was his market.

One of those is a youth with upside, and the other I think the general nba fan would consider a bit better.

Hard to call LeVert youth with upside at this point. Hes 26 and entering his 5th year. Bojan may be slightly better (debatable) but that is splitting hairs.

Bogdan is much better than a lot of guys making 15-17 mil per year. Just look at the list

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[City of Trees]

The Kings were one injury away from disaster with Barnes, Buddy, and Bogi all on the roster locked down with overpaid long term deals.

The three "hope to trade" players would have accounted for more than 50% of the 2021 NBA team salary cap.

Imagine a world where the Kings are carrying one of those contracts after a knee injury. Unmovable. Two of these types of large contracts are more than enough... Three on your roster is just stupid.


Monte made the right call.

[blind prophet]

The Kings were one injury away from disaster with Barnes, Buddy, and Bogi all on the roster locked down with overpaid long term deals.

The three "hope to trade" players would have accounted for more than 50% of the 2021 NBA team salary cap.

Imagine a world where the Kings are carrying one of those contracts after a knee injury. Unmovable. Two of these types of large contracts are more than enough... Three onna roster is just stupid.

Ideal scenario would of been the same GM during the tenure of Bogi, you move him before the deadline for an asset so you don't end up in the mess. Vlade said he'd match anything pretty much.

People saying tradable contract let him go...

BS his contract with that kicker is now a net negative.

You don't over pay and give him the ability to negate where he is moved and be assured you get something for him later.

[wco81]

But was it the GM who bungled the trade with Milwaukee?

[SmellingColors]

But was it the GM who bungled the trade with Milwaukee?

If you look at the reporting it seems more like the Milwaukee FO was loose lipped or that by trading Bledsoe to the Pelicans, they couldn't offer Bogi the size of contract he was looking for. Either way, does not seem like the McNair's fault it fell through.