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MVP2110 · Post #1781 » by **MVP2110** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:36 am

adam10 wrote:Super intrigued to see how Mamadi Diakite progresses throughout the year. Off his highlight reel his stroke looks pretty nice and he seems to have some explosiveness and X factor. Listed at 6’9 but he looks taller?

I agree I'm excited to see what Diakite can do. I expect him to get real minutes on a night where Giannis or Brook is getting the night off or out for a little while.

ABucksFan · Post #1782 » by **ABucksFan** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:37 am

Honestly unsure wth ATL is doing. Like Reddish and Hunter should get PT this year, along with Huerter, but they stunt there growth with all these win now moves. Really weird. They have a ton of interesting pieces, but man weird.

TroyD92 · Post #1783 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:41 am

Donte is almost 24...dude is 2 years away from him prime. why are people assuming he has this vast amount of potential stored away.

theFireBlanket · Post #1784 » by **theFireBlanket** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:06 am

TroyD92 wrote:Donte is almost 24...dude is 2 years away from him prime. why are people assuming he has this vast amount of potential stored away.

It's also his 3rd year in the league, after being injured in his first & dealing with a pandemic inducing work stoppage, followed by strange conditions for a playoffs.

How about we examine Giannis? He's about the same age but he hasn't peaked. Michael Jordan's best years were at age 27 & 32. We'll see in time. But I have a strong feeling you'll be eating crow, especially with the factors I mentioned not being considered.

Donte has flashed his potential during normal NBA action, whenever he was able to see the floor. Experience only brings out more effectiveness in NBA players.

Cynical GM · Post #1785 » by **Cynical GM** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:45 am

The title of this thread is what's wrong with the front office. I get that Milwaukee is a small market and not a desirable destination for free agents, but overpaying players like Pat is a mistake. If Pat tried free agency I doubt he could find even a minimum contract. We are talking about someone who was a "black hole" in the playoffs, hasn't improved since he joined the team and can't shoot. Bud's choice to use him in the playoffs repeatedly was even worse than his inability to adjust to each scenario.

I really hope they figure a way to get Pat and DJ Wilson out of the roster. They can't contribute and they will just consume time that Bud must distribute to the new players. We also need an addition in the frontline. Also Donte will clearly never be in the same level as Bogi. He may defend, even if I don't see it, but in a team with Giannis and Jrue, our SG MUST be able to score.

I can't figure out if Bud and Horst are that bad or if they just playing it safe. The formula get the number one seed, keep Giannis' usage high so he can get numbers and be happy enough to sign, might be viewed as a win for the ownership. Team is considered a contender and is on the show. All that without spending much. That's why noone is fired. They are successful in achieving mediocrity. If Giannis signs, they will lock up the goose and it won't matter that the team has no assets for the future, a roster with Middleton in an outrageous contract and reserves getting paid illogical amounts.

tedbrogen · Post #1786 » by **tedbrogen** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:50 am

MVP2110 wrote:
adam10 wrote:Super intrigued to see how Mamadi Diakite progresses throughout the year. Off his highlight reel his stroke looks pretty nice and he seems to have some explosiveness and X factor. Listed at 6’9 but he looks taller?

I agree I'm excited to see what Diakite can do. I expect him to get real minutes on a night where Giannis or Brook is getting the night off or out for a little while.

Doesn’t he have a 7’3” wingspan or something along those lines?

drone3 · Post #1787 » by **drone3** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:16 am

Nicolas Batum’s agent: “Six teams have contacted us and showed interest in Nico: Nets, Warriors, Jazz, Clippers, Bucks and Raptors. Nico is in the best shape of his life. He’s been working hard with coaches for two months. He lost ten kilos (roughly 22 pounds).”

Post #1788 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:28 am

I'd rather sign Justin Patton - who just got cut by the Clippers.

Sigra · Post #1789 » by **Sigra** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:10 am

We had to shake things for this season. No doubt about that. How could we go with same team again? Think about that? How would you feel if we try same team agan? Bad right?

Now, to shake things you cant change just some bench players or Wes. There are so many stats and researches that NBA team is dominantly determinated by its 3 best players. Other players are just there to fill positions and be best fit possible but 3 best players are like 80% of team (i forgot where to find data on that but I think we all saw that).

So we had to change one of Giannis, Middleton and Bledsoe. Offcourse we changed Bladsoe. Jrue is improvement every way you look at that. Price for that change is either biggest ever (If Giannis leave) or not important (if he stays).

Everything else we changed is really not that important. We will go as far as our 3 best players take us. And our 3 best players are better this year than last year. And SG Jrue is better fit than PG Bledsoe when your superstar love to be with ball.

Portis looks stupid, chucker, crazy, bad at defense. But he is bench player who will bring energy and shooting more than Ersan did (and offcourse that I love Ersan's defense and little things but we are talking about bench players here). DJ will bring playmaking to the 2nd unit more then Hill. We can hide Forbes to be our Kerr or something. DDV should improve.

Next year we should be better. And our future depends on Giannis decision as much as always. If he leaves we are screwed even if we have all picks from Jrue trade. What, we would rebuild with picks after we just lost MVP and DPOY? We waited for Giannis for 50 years or something like that. We are not going to find new one in next 6.

Fotis St · Post #1790 » by **Fotis St** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:16 pm

I still want Rokas Jokubaitis to be a Buck. Suck a good combo of skils, height, point guard, handles/speed/athleticism,
leftie good shooter, good court vision , young - just turned 20 6 days ago.
I would LOVE to see him next to Sam Merrill.
Rokas - Sam playing lke Dragic - Doncic

mkegb · Post #1791 » by **mkegb** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:28 pm

I have a feeling the new whipping boy is going to be DDV, he better improve this year or he may get criticized more than what Middleton does on this board.

Ron Swanson · Post #1792 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:03 pm

I don't and have never really thought that Donte has some crazy high ceiling, but I wouldn't really say that "4th-5th best player on a championship team" is this super high bar either. Because that's pretty much all that's expected of him.

BigO · Post #1793 » by **BigO** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:19 pm

Sigra wrote:We had to shake things for this season. No doubt about that. How could we go with same team again? Think about that? How would you feel if we try same team agan? Bad right?

Now, to shake things you cant change just some bench players or Wes. There are so many stats and researches that NBA team is dominantly determinated by its 3 best players. Other players are just there to fill positions and be best fit possible but 3 best players are like 80% of team (i forgot where to find data on that but I think we all saw that).

So we had to change one of Giannis, Middleton and Bledsoe. Offcourse we changed Bladsoe. Jrue is improvement every way you look at that. Price for that change is either biggest ever (If Giannis leave) or not important (if he stays).

Everything else we changed is really not that important. We will go as far as our 3 best players take us. And our 3 best players are better this year than last year. And SG Jrue is better fit than PG Bledsoe when your superstar love to be with ball.

Portis looks stupid, chucker, crazy, bad at defense. But he is bench player who will bring energy and shooting more than Ersan did (and offcourse that I love Ersan's defense and little things but we are talking about bench players here). DJ will bring playmaking to the 2nd unit more then Hill. We can hide Forbes to be our Kerr or something. DDV should improve.

Next year we should be better. And our future depends on Giannis decision as much as always. If he leaves we are screwed even if we have all picks from Jrue trade. What, we would rebuild with picks after we just lost MVP and DPOY? We waited for Giannis for 50 years or something like that. We are not going to find new one in next 6.

Players are the most important part of the team , but coaching does matter, especially if you are significantly outcoached, which Bud has been in the playoffs. If he sticks to only one offensive and defensive set, it's likely the Bucks will have the same problems. How many times do you have to do the same thing (spread the floor and have Giannis drive or play solely a non-switching man defense) before you figure out you need to do something different?

lvckv · Post #1794 » by **lvckv** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:24 pm

So is the roster set now, then? Two playable PFs and no backup C? We're relying on DiVincenzo stepping up in a big way, and we really did pay Pat Connaughton $5m a year for... reasons..

The Jrue trade was good - if Giannis stays - and we got a few nice bench pieces, but jeeez this hasn't turned out very well. Like a C rating, pretty much.

raferfenix · Post #1795 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:26 pm

mkegb wrote:I have a feeling the new whipping boy is going to be DDV, he better improve this year or he may get criticized more than what Middleton does on this board.

It’s not Donte’s fault but he is going to be compared to Bogdan for years to come if not the rest of his career.

The Bucks winning a ring would stave that off some.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1796 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:30 pm

Daver wrote:
midranger wrote:
Daver wrote:Absolutely agree god can DDV be any more overrated than he is on this board you would think ges already a all star and the best 2 in the league

I’m told he’s top ten

Yes he is at missed shots at the rim probably top 5

He shot 65.5% at the rim :lol:

. Literally better than **** Giannis' second year.

mubucks00 · Post #1797 » by **mubucks00** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:31 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I don't and have never really thought that Donte has some crazy high ceiling, but I wouldn't really say that "4th-5th best player on a championship team" is this super high bar either. Because that's pretty much all that's expected of him.

This, he's fine for 4th-5th best player on a championship team. Makes enough all-around plays to be someone you can't just ignore either. Here's to making another jump up the 3pt % ladder. Everyone needs to get first 7 games of bubble Donte out of their heads.

Needs to be healthy though, doesn't have the size/length to make up for much of a down-tick in athleticism.

LUKE23 · Post #1798 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:34 pm

DDV can board (7.5 rebounds per 36), he can finish at the rim (65.5% at rim), he can play passing lanes (2.3 steals per 36), he's a solid creator (3.6 assists per 36) and he's a really damn good athlete. He needs to improve his three point percentage and also work on taking better care of the ball, but he has a lot to work with as a baseline, and is a legit NBA athlete.

He shot .336 from 3 last year and I think he gets to the point where he's a .370 guy.

raferfenix · Post #1799 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:38 pm

If the Bucks were so confidant in Donte we wouldn’t have tried to trade him for Bogdan.

Maybe we would have come to regret that trade.

We shall see.

LUKE23 · Post #1800 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:40 pm

raferfenix wrote:If the Bucks were so confidant in Donte we wouldn’t have tried to trade him for Bogdan.

Maybe we would have come to regret that trade.

We shall see.

That isn't true at all. They can be confident in DDV but also view Bogdan as an upgrade (and they weren't trading anything else of value for him in the proposed trade). It's not an either/or.