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Personally, I'm kind of confused by the moves Tommy has made since the draft. I'm struggling a bit to understand them. Perhaps we can discuss them here as a whole -- i.e. to figure out what "the plan" is (or at least the intentions):
1. Robin Lopez -- is there something we don't know? Did Tommy talk to Noel's agent, & he wasn't interested in being here? Ditto a few other guys? Robin Lopez was bad enough last year that I can't see the value he brings. Am I missing something? Willie Cauley-Stein signed with Dallas for $4m/year. At this point in their careers, he is unquestionably a better player than Lopez. For that matter, Ian Mahinmi would have been a better choice. He hasn't signed anywhere, & I'm sure he'd come cheap.
Is Lopez actually better than Alex Len? He is signing a 1-year deal with Toronto. For $2.3m. The clearest thing about Lopez is that at the end of his career, signed for one year, he is not part of building anything. & Certainly not of re-building. It just seems like a totally pointless move.
2. Raul Neto -- why is this guy here? We have Wall & Ish who will sop up most minutes. We have Cassius Winston, who was a really good value find late in R2. Surely, Tommy would want Winston to get 3d string minutes before Neto. I.e. he can't think of the 1-year veteran as anything but... what? An insurance policy maybe? Again, this is not someone who helps the Washington Wizards build its next generation; nor is he a help in maximizing what we can do in the Wall/Beal era.
3. Anthony Gill -- This is easier to understand. If the FO is right, then this is a guy who has improved a lot in his years as a pro in Europe. A guy who can be a solid off the bench 4 & comes for very little money. & if he is a positive surprise, then he could be with us a few years. In this case at least, one can see a rationale.
4. Yoeli Childs -- obviously Childs is a talented kid. Given that he has a chance to make it in the league, & given that it cost us nothing to acquire him, I find it easy to applaud this move.
5. Caleb Homesley -- Ditto. Actually, I find it easier to understand Childs & Homesley than Lopez, Neto or even Gill. How about you?
1. Robin Lopez -- is there something we don't know? Did Tommy talk to Noel's agent, & he wasn't interested in being here? Ditto a few other guys? Robin Lopez was bad enough last year that I can't see the value he brings. Am I missing something? Willie Cauley-Stein signed with Dallas for $4m/year. At this point in their careers, he is unquestionably a better player than Lopez. For that matter, Ian Mahinmi would have been a better choice. He hasn't signed anywhere, & I'm sure he'd come cheap.
Is Lopez actually better than Alex Len? He is signing a 1-year deal with Toronto. For $2.3m. The clearest thing about Lopez is that at the end of his career, signed for one year, he is not part of building anything. & Certainly not of re-building. It just seems like a totally pointless move.
2. Raul Neto -- why is this guy here? We have Wall & Ish who will sop up most minutes. We have Cassius Winston, who was a really good value find late in R2. Surely, Tommy would want Winston to get 3d string minutes before Neto. I.e. he can't think of the 1-year veteran as anything but... what? An insurance policy maybe? Again, this is not someone who helps the Washington Wizards build its next generation; nor is he a help in maximizing what we can do in the Wall/Beal era.
3. Anthony Gill -- This is easier to understand. If the FO is right, then this is a guy who has improved a lot in his years as a pro in Europe. A guy who can be a solid off the bench 4 & comes for very little money. & if he is a positive surprise, then he could be with us a few years. In this case at least, one can see a rationale.
4. Yoeli Childs -- obviously Childs is a talented kid. Given that he has a chance to make it in the league, & given that it cost us nothing to acquire him, I find it easy to applaud this move.
5. Caleb Homesley -- Ditto. Actually, I find it easier to understand Childs & Homesley than Lopez, Neto or even Gill. How about you?
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I think Tommy just decided to throw money and roster spots at character guys. Lopez won’t complain about not getting playing time, he even spoke about learning from Bryant and Wagner in his press conference as opposed to having anything to teach them.
I don’t agree with all the signings, but I agree with the overall goal of attempting to change the culture from what it was a couple years ago. It’s the same strategy they had when Wall and Beal were young players, after they finished getting rid of the clown show, they surrounded them with high character players. I think Shepard is betting on a core of Brown Jr, Beal, Bonga, Bryant, Avdija, Hachimura, Bertans, and possibly Mathews to develop, and trying to create the best environment around them.
The last piece for Shepard is to move on from Wall and draft or acquire our PG of the future. Also, 1 year vets can turn into nice trade pieces at the deadline. Every rebuilding team in sports does this.
I don’t agree with all the signings, but I agree with the overall goal of attempting to change the culture from what it was a couple years ago. It’s the same strategy they had when Wall and Beal were young players, after they finished getting rid of the clown show, they surrounded them with high character players. I think Shepard is betting on a core of Brown Jr, Beal, Bonga, Bryant, Avdija, Hachimura, Bertans, and possibly Mathews to develop, and trying to create the best environment around them.
The last piece for Shepard is to move on from Wall and draft or acquire our PG of the future. Also, 1 year vets can turn into nice trade pieces at the deadline. Every rebuilding team in sports does this.
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We want to be competitive, maybe make the playoffs, but we still want a good pick in next years draft. This team is still missing a major piece.
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I understand the Neto pick- up as Wall insurance, especially for back to backs but the Lopez signing just was indefensible, especially considering the $$$, it meant any reasonable options elsewhere were closed. The idea that we couldn't bring in anyone good enough to challenge Bryant is puzzling bordering on coddling a young guy but maybe this is way Shepp operates. He's showing alot of trust in his young guys stepping up (which is admirable, don't know if its smart though). They'll be the difference b/w this situation blowing up very quickly or not.
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Dat2U wrote:I understand the Neto pick- up as Wall insurance, especially for back to backs but the Lopez signing just was indefensible, especially considering the $$$, it meant any reasonable options elsewhere were closed. The idea that we couldn't bring in anyone good enough to challenge Bryant is puzzling bordering on coddling a young guy but maybe this is way Shepp operates. He's showing alot of trust in his young guys stepping up (which is admirable, don't know if its smart though). They'll be the difference b/w this situation blowing up very quickly or not.
Agreed. The Lopez signing is the only real head scratcher. I can understand why we didn't commit long term to a guy like Noel, Ibaka or Thompson, but there were guys available on 1-year deals that are better than Lopez while also being younger with more upside. Willie Cauley-Stein or Alex Len would have been a better choice. I understand that Lopez is a good locker room guy, but Mahinmi could have done the same for far less money. Everyone loves him.
Neto on a vet minimum contract is fine - even good. I'm not sold on Cassius Winston anyway. And if Wall isn't playing back-to-backs, we need a reliable 3rd string PG.
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Well, we can't possibly be "sold" on Cassius Winston -- even those who have higher expectations than you, nate. So, I suppose, yes, that helps one to understand signing Neto.
At the same time, was he really the best available? That is, Wall must be seen as a question mark -- at least to some degree. & Ish is expiring, & anyway is not a developing player at his age. Winston is a bet -- an appealing bet, but still....
Thus, it strikes me that a younger PG with more upside would seem to have been in order. What about Okobo, or Shaquille Harrison?
Again -- my main question in this thread is... what exactly is Tommy's intention? His strategy? I'd hate to return to the days of putting a bandage on problems....
At the same time, was he really the best available? That is, Wall must be seen as a question mark -- at least to some degree. & Ish is expiring, & anyway is not a developing player at his age. Winston is a bet -- an appealing bet, but still....
Thus, it strikes me that a younger PG with more upside would seem to have been in order. What about Okobo, or Shaquille Harrison?
Again -- my main question in this thread is... what exactly is Tommy's intention? His strategy? I'd hate to return to the days of putting a bandage on problems....
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Justin Patton just got cut by the Clippers. I would have loved to sign him rather than Lopez - and probably could have gotten him for the minimum - on a 2 year deal.
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I think they see the possible volotile nature of our situation with wall and veal and don't wanna ham strong us with possible long shot bad deal like what the hornets are doing. Lopez is a good vet won't rock the boat. Nato same deal goo defender. The other two are just shots at diamonds in the rough. I don't know what we aren't giving a bigger commitment to mathews. Also ish is expiring so we could always move him and we have nato and winston.
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gambitx777 wrote:I think they see the possible volotile nature of our situation with wall and veal and don't wanna ham strong us with possible long shot bad deal like what the hornets are doing. Lopez is a good vet won't rock the boat. Nato same deal goo defender. The other two are just shots at diamonds in the rough. I don't know what we aren't giving a bigger commitment to mathews. Also ish is expiring so we could always move him and we have nato and winston.
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Thing is - Lopez was awful last season - it's hard for a center to somehow get only a 10.2 PER - a sign that he might be basically done at age 32. Meanwhile, Patton's a 23 year old former 1st rounder who showed what he's capable of in the G League with far better defensive stats than Lopez - as well as far better rebounding and better offensive stats. Now is when a smart GM jumps on a player like Patton - much like it was a year or 2 to jump on Christian Wood, imo.
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Ruzious wrote:Justin Patton just got cut by the Clippers. I would have loved to sign him rather than Lopez - and probably could have gotten him for the minimum - on a 2 year deal.
Ruz,
You cant be serious. I loved Patton coming out, but the guy has played 9 games in his career. In the GLeague he's a mediocre rebounder that averages more turnovers than assist while never drawing fouls (19% FTr) and not hitting his FTs when he does (69% FT).
He is worth a camp invite and nothing more at this point.
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pcbothwel wrote:Ruzious wrote:Justin Patton just got cut by the Clippers. I would have loved to sign him rather than Lopez - and probably could have gotten him for the minimum - on a 2 year deal.
Ruz,
You cant be serious. I loved Patton coming out, but the guy has played 9 games in his career. In the GLeague he's a mediocre rebounder that averages more turnovers than assist while never drawing fouls (19% FTr) and not hitting his FTs when he does (69% FT).
He is worth a camp invite and nothing more at this point.
Lol, I just explained this a half hour ago.
Thing is - Lopez was awful last season - it's hard for a center to somehow get only a 10.2 PER - a sign that he might be basically done at age 32. Meanwhile, Patton's a 23 year old former 1st rounder who showed what he's capable of in the G League with far better defensive stats than Lopez - as well as far better rebounding and better offensive stats. Now is when a smart GM jumps on a player like Patton - much like it was a year or 2 to jump on Christian Wood, imo.
So please tell me - What is it about Lopez that makes you prefer him? I mean... you knock Patton's rebounding, but he still got 50% more rebounds than Lopez got. You think Lopez draws fouls? You think Lopez gets more assists than to's? I'm not nominating Patton for the HOF, but he would have been a MUCH better choice than Lopez at this point in their careers.
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Ruzious wrote:pcbothwel wrote:Ruzious wrote:Justin Patton just got cut by the Clippers. I would have loved to sign him rather than Lopez - and probably could have gotten him for the minimum - on a 2 year deal.
Ruz,
You cant be serious. I loved Patton coming out, but the guy has played 9 games in his career. In the GLeague he's a mediocre rebounder that averages more turnovers than assist while never drawing fouls (19% FTr) and not hitting his FTs when he does (69% FT).
He is worth a camp invite and nothing more at this point.
Lol, I just explained this a half hour ago.Thing is - Lopez was awful last season - it's hard for a center to somehow get only a 10.2 PER - a sign that he might be basically done at age 32. Meanwhile, Patton's a 23 year old former 1st rounder who showed what he's capable of in the G League with far better defensive stats than Lopez - as well as far better rebounding and better offensive stats. Now is when a smart GM jumps on a player like Patton - much like it was a year or 2 to jump on Christian Wood, imo.
So please tell me - What is it about Lopez that makes you prefer him? I mean... you knock Patton's rebounding, but he still got 50% more rebounds than Lopez got. You think Lopez draws fouls? You think Lopez gets more assists than to's? I'm not nominating Patton for the HOF, but he would have been a MUCH better choice than Lopez at this point in their careers.
So you think Patton will be better than Lopez this year?
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payitforward wrote:Well, we can't possibly be "sold" on Cassius Winston -- even those who have higher expectations than you, nate. So, I suppose, yes, that helps one to understand signing Neto.
At the same time, was he really the best available? That is, Wall must be seen as a question mark -- at least to some degree. & Ish is expiring, & anyway is not a developing player at his age. Winston is a bet -- an appealing bet, but still....
Thus, it strikes me that a younger PG with more upside would seem to have been in order. What about Okobo, or Shaquille Harrison?
Again -- my main question in this thread is... what exactly is Tommy's intention? His strategy? I'd hate to return to the days of putting a bandage on problems....
I don't understand your issue with Neto. This year won't be like the last two years. The team is trying hard to make the playoffs and they're not going to sacrifice wins just to develop guys - at least not unless we fall out of the playoff race.
If Wall isn't playing back-to-backs, we're probably going to need about 400 quality minutes from a 3rd string PG - a lot more if one of Ish or Wall gets hurt. Sheppard wasn't prepared to trust Winston for those minutes so he found another short term solution. Neto is rock solid backup PG on a vet minimum deal. (Neto is only 1 year older than Harrison, BTW.)
Winston will play in the G-League and some garbage time minutes this year.
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pcbothwel wrote:Ruzious wrote:pcbothwel wrote:
Ruz,
You cant be serious. I loved Patton coming out, but the guy has played 9 games in his career. In the GLeague he's a mediocre rebounder that averages more turnovers than assist while never drawing fouls (19% FTr) and not hitting his FTs when he does (69% FT).
He is worth a camp invite and nothing more at this point.
Lol, I just explained this a half hour ago.Thing is - Lopez was awful last season - it's hard for a center to somehow get only a 10.2 PER - a sign that he might be basically done at age 32. Meanwhile, Patton's a 23 year old former 1st rounder who showed what he's capable of in the G League with far better defensive stats than Lopez - as well as far better rebounding and better offensive stats. Now is when a smart GM jumps on a player like Patton - much like it was a year or 2 to jump on Christian Wood, imo.
So please tell me - What is it about Lopez that makes you prefer him? I mean... you knock Patton's rebounding, but he still got 50% more rebounds than Lopez got. You think Lopez draws fouls? You think Lopez gets more assists than to's? I'm not nominating Patton for the HOF, but he would have been a MUCH better choice than Lopez at this point in their careers.
So you think Patton will be better than Lopez this year?
Yes - and much cheaper.
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Let’s see.
We got: Bertans, Lopez, Neto, Gill, Homesly and Childs.
Probably could have had: Bertans, WCS or Noel, Diakite, Neto and Childs... at less cost.
I like the second slate better. Of course, it takes two to tango. Who knows if the others were interested in coming here.
We got: Bertans, Lopez, Neto, Gill, Homesly and Childs.
Probably could have had: Bertans, WCS or Noel, Diakite, Neto and Childs... at less cost.
I like the second slate better. Of course, it takes two to tango. Who knows if the others were interested in coming here.
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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Let’s see.
We got: Bertans, Lopez, Neto, Gill, Homesly and Childs.
Probably could have had: Bertans, WCS or Noel, Diakite, Neto and Childs... at less cost.
I like the second slate better. Of course, it takes two to tango. Who knows if the others were interested in coming here.
Diakate signed a 2-way contract with the Bucks. If he does well, he's certain to play with Milwaukee, because they have so little depth. He could play a role this season.
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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Let’s see.
We got: Bertans, Lopez, Neto, Gill, Homesly and Childs.
Probably could have had: Bertans, WCS or Noel, Diakite, Neto and Childs... at less cost.
I like the second slate better. Of course, it takes two to tango. Who knows if the others were interested in coming here.
I would prefer Noel and WCS, but Tommie made it quite clear that many FA Centers were put off by Calling Bryant the Clear starter... Noel/WCS could very well of been one of the guys who wasnt interested.
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Quickly, and largely repetitively:
Lopez - appears to have been one of the least effective options in a very crowded market of free agent centers (which is increasingly a trend across seasons at this point, obviating the need to really shell out for rotation bigs that aren't exceptional). That said, in a market flush with functional, defensively impactful centers Washington didn't land one unless Lopez was pretending to be done last year (I have been fooled if so).
Neto - this one makes a little more sense. Neto's a do-no-harm rotation player (if a somewhat marginal one). He can shoot, and a player who can hit open shots and defend the one is a fit with the bench that's shaping up on the team - essentially the entire second unit is some flavor of point forward. That said, having Neto on the roster feels essentially like the basketball equivalent of keeping up appearances. I don't think this team is going to be good enough to need to invest equity in down rotation guard play like this and the ROI on another reclamation project would probably be higher if it didn't look like conceding the season from the outset to do that. I can't be too mad that the team is actually trying to be successful.
Gill - I guess the same could be said of Gill in that he's not incredibly likely to work his way into the franchise's future plans in a significant way, so he may be papering over holes in a home nobody is buying anyway. In this case, however, the signing represents a type of move that I think is consistent with a higher caliber franchise. Gill looks like he does a set of things that would make him a valuable NBA commodity well, and so there's upside in this signing in that he could prove to be a legitimate asset, as opposed to a stopgap. It's hard to find value in free agency, and I think this kind of gamble is useful to take.
Childs - the role he realistically has to adopt in the NBA is far enough removed from his college success that I don't expect much this year (other than effective G League play). There's enough to see here that he absolutely is a good training camp/two way kind of signing. He doesn't read as a steal as an UDFA to me, but a good signing.
Homesley - I mean I guess. He's the right size to be a 3&D guy and he kind of shot threes in college (and rebounded well, that's more genuinely notable). He's 24 as of Friday and I don't think he's especially likely to pan out. Being particular about training camp invitees is admittedly pretty picky.
Lopez - appears to have been one of the least effective options in a very crowded market of free agent centers (which is increasingly a trend across seasons at this point, obviating the need to really shell out for rotation bigs that aren't exceptional). That said, in a market flush with functional, defensively impactful centers Washington didn't land one unless Lopez was pretending to be done last year (I have been fooled if so).
Neto - this one makes a little more sense. Neto's a do-no-harm rotation player (if a somewhat marginal one). He can shoot, and a player who can hit open shots and defend the one is a fit with the bench that's shaping up on the team - essentially the entire second unit is some flavor of point forward. That said, having Neto on the roster feels essentially like the basketball equivalent of keeping up appearances. I don't think this team is going to be good enough to need to invest equity in down rotation guard play like this and the ROI on another reclamation project would probably be higher if it didn't look like conceding the season from the outset to do that. I can't be too mad that the team is actually trying to be successful.
Gill - I guess the same could be said of Gill in that he's not incredibly likely to work his way into the franchise's future plans in a significant way, so he may be papering over holes in a home nobody is buying anyway. In this case, however, the signing represents a type of move that I think is consistent with a higher caliber franchise. Gill looks like he does a set of things that would make him a valuable NBA commodity well, and so there's upside in this signing in that he could prove to be a legitimate asset, as opposed to a stopgap. It's hard to find value in free agency, and I think this kind of gamble is useful to take.
Childs - the role he realistically has to adopt in the NBA is far enough removed from his college success that I don't expect much this year (other than effective G League play). There's enough to see here that he absolutely is a good training camp/two way kind of signing. He doesn't read as a steal as an UDFA to me, but a good signing.
Homesley - I mean I guess. He's the right size to be a 3&D guy and he kind of shot threes in college (and rebounded well, that's more genuinely notable). He's 24 as of Friday and I don't think he's especially likely to pan out. Being particular about training camp invitees is admittedly pretty picky.
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Robin is Brook Lopez's twin brother and Brook is pretty good at basketball, so Robin must be too. He also battles mascots!
Neto is amazing addition because the Wiz want to be the most international team in the league and why not add a Brazilian to the mix.
Gill - well, that's a guy most people have never heard of. If he pans out that proves Wiz are great at finding random players and turning them into... something.
Don't care about those last two guys. Will proably rot on the bench or play in the G-league.
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Neto is amazing addition because the Wiz want to be the most international team in the league and why not add a Brazilian to the mix.
Gill - well, that's a guy most people have never heard of. If he pans out that proves Wiz are great at finding random players and turning them into... something.
Don't care about those last two guys. Will proably rot on the bench or play in the G-league.
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Tommy is emulating the Duncan era Spurs moves a decade too-late with his International casting. Poor-mans Spurs ten years later