Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

Rstuedes24 · Post #1841 » by **Rstuedes24** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:25 pm

Lasry or anyone jumping the gun is an idiot, but I’m in agreement with the others that say **** the NBA and their selective tampering bull.

Giannis has very few NBA ‘friends’ and God forbid we manage to work something out for one of them, to increase the chance that we keep OUR mvp that we drafted - only to get shot down because now the league wants to enforce.

If I was Lasry or anyone higher up in the ranks, I’d be livid at Adam Silver and the league about other teams and raising as much hell as I possibly could. How many reported deals within the first 20 minutes of FA? We knew before Friday that Atlanta was putting an offer sheet out there. Enforce it on everyone or get rid of the rules on it. Complete bs

mke_design · Post #1842 » by **mke_design** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:26 pm

Why do I feel like every "report" is a patchwork of guesses. Giannis certainly doesn't appear to be feeling any sort of pressure to do anything.

greekbuck34 · Post #1843 » by **greekbuck34** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:36 pm

ABucksFan wrote:What an utter cluster **** man, Giannis probably feeling some type of way, but I think he's reasonable enough to look at bigger picture. I hope...

Actually its preferable for us if Giannis doesn't look the bigger picture before he makes his final decision.

We don't have any assets left.
We can't sign decent Free agents.
Our front office is trash.

We have two decent attempts left because if we lose Jrue after that it's over imo.

RubberSoul · Post #1844 » by **RubberSoul** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:38 pm

It would be truly fitting for the Bucks to lose their MVP for not being able to close a deal for a B level player even though B level players is what we have been stuck with for decades.

I’m guessing Giannis walks more because of the pure incompetence of the Bucks than the player Bogdan himself. Can he really entrust his prime to these idiots?

Also **** Woj and **** the NBA.

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machu46 · Post #1845 » by **machu46** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:40 pm

It’s also somewhat interesting (though totally rational) that Bogdanovic was supposedly the #1 guy Giannis wanted and we chose to prioritize Jrue instead.

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mke_design · Post #1846 » by **mke_design** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:42 pm

machu46 wrote:It’s also somewhat interesting (though totally rational) that Bogdanovic was supposedly the #1 guy Giannis wanted and we chose to prioritize Jrue instead.

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Or that's a great narrative for people still angling to create fictitious drama.

FrieAaron · Post #1847 » by **FrieAaron** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:47 pm

mke_design wrote:
machu46 wrote:It’s also somewhat interesting (though totally rational) that Bogdanovic was supposedly the #1 guy Giannis wanted and we chose to prioritize Jrue instead.

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Or that's a great narrative for people still angling to create fictitious drama.

Yeah, I'm taking that all with a grain of salt.

machu46 · Post #1848 » by **machu46** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:02 pm

FrieAaron wrote:
mke_design wrote:
machu46 wrote:It’s also somewhat interesting (though totally rational) that Bogdanovic was supposedly the #1 guy Giannis wanted and we chose to prioritize Jrue instead.

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Or that's a great narrative for people still angling to create fictitious drama.

Yeah, I'm taking that all with a grain of salt.

Same

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Matches Malone · Post #1849 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:05 pm

Grain of salt and all that, but this is kinda hilarious and I can definitely imagine Lasry puffing his chest acting like he won a title. The man loves the public eye. What a dumbass family lol

Big Dog Yank · Post #1850 » by **Big Dog Yank** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:31 pm

tski1972 wrote:Great article on the Bogdan non trade...

“And during the board of governors' call on Tuesday, several league sources indicated that Bucks governor Marc Lasry stopped just short of bragging about Milwaukee's impressive Monday evening of transactions.”

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919681-inside-the-botched-sign-and-trade-that-could-send-giannis-antetokounmpo-packing

Look, I'm far from a fan of Lasry, but you're cherry picking here to advance an agenda. Here is the next sentence in the piece:

"However, multiple league personnel participating on the call said they did not remember any Bucks official gloating or any noted behavior or conversation out of the ordinary."

Here's the thing we just need to accept with this story-no one knows what the f**k really happened and never will. Did Lasry really crow about the deal and piss off other league officials? Did Bogdan and his agents stab the Bucks in the back when they saw they could get a more lucrative deal elsewhere? Did Woj's tweet actually serve as the fuse that blew this up? Did Sacramento properly consult Bogdan and his agent about the deal? Was Horst so sloppy and fixated on Jrue that he took his eye off the prize and not leave enough resources to acquire Bogdan?

All of these items could have railroaded the deal. Maybe they all contributed to this failure, maybe it was only one.

I think the only clear thing we can all agree on in this trainwreck is f**k the NBA, as it's clear to anyone with an objective eye that they're moving the goalposts on what is and isn't tampering to get Giannis out of town.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1851 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:31 pm

Definitely a question of who said exactly what to Woj. The KOC tweet which was first wasn't getting anyone in trouble.

I mentioned it before but the timing was interesting. It was like an hour after the bucks were getting clowned a little for that package they gave up for Holiday and it felt like they leaked a little 'hold on this is the whole plan' .

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leroyjw10 · Post #1852 » by **leroyjw10** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:38 pm

Based on the BR article, it doesn't seem like the Bucks did anything wrong. It seemed they had a deal in place with the Kings that both teams agreed to, and still would've allowed for Bogdan to receive his desired paycheck (roughly). It also seems there were no actual convos with Bogdan's camp, so there was no tampering.

Alas, some butt-hurt GMs raised a stink with the league that greatly decreased, if not fully eliminated, the likelihood of the trade actually happening. So basically, the league f***** the Bucks, the Kings, Bogdan and Giannis.

skones · Post #1853 » by **skones** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:40 pm

Worth noting, that if Bogdan Bogdanovic is his "hand picked" addition, GM Giannis is not good. Bogdanovic has his warts. At no point in his three year career has he been a particularly impactful player. It's weird, that in this age of analytics, everyone basically threw them away to fawn of Bogdan Bogdanovic. I get what he brought from a shot creation standpoint, but even then with that specialty skill, the guy needs a screen to get down hill.

Matches Malone · Post #1854 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:40 pm

leroyjw10 wrote:Based on the BR article, it doesn't seem like the Bucks did anything wrong. It seemed they had a deal in place with the Kings that both teams agreed to, and still would've allowed for Bogdan to receive his desired paycheck (roughly). It also seems there were no actual convos with Bogdan's camp, so there was no tampering.

Alas, some butt-hurt GMs raised a stink with the league that greatly decreased, if not fully eliminated, the likelihood of the trade actually happening. So basically, the league f***** the Bucks, the Kings, Bogdan and Giannis.

I wish we could have access to see who put up the stink. They need a bitch slap.

Siefer · Post #1855 » by **Siefer** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:40 pm

Lasry "almost bragging" is obnoxious in its own right, but my takeaway from this is the Bucks didn't (observably) break the rules, and still got hammered by the league.

Come that Friday, the Bucks would have been able to negotiate contract terms with Bogdanovic's representatives once the free-agent market opened at 6 p.m. ET.

All players included within the trade framework were notified, sources said.

If we believe the reporting, Milwaukee wasn't overtly negotiating with Bogdanovic. This is honestly infuriating.

TD75 · Post #1856 » by **TD75** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:42 pm

leroyjw10 wrote:Based on the BR article, it doesn't seem like the Bucks did anything wrong. It seemed they had a deal in place with the Kings that both teams agreed to, and still would've allowed for Bogdan to receive his desired paycheck (roughly). It also seems there were no actual convos with Bogdan's camp, so there was no tampering.

Alas, some butt-hurt GMs raised a stink with the league that greatly decreased, if not fully eliminated, the likelihood of the trade actually happening. So basically, the league f***** the Bucks, the Kings, Bogdan and Giannis.

If they did nothing wrong why did they back up from the deal? Why did they not try to get Bogdan no matter the complaints from others? :lol:

Ron Swanson · Post #1857 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:44 pm

What does "bragging" even mean here and when has that ever been precedent for a tampering investigation? I guess you guys can be pissed at Lasry if you want which whatever, I'm not gonna defend the billionaire. But this is like getting mad at the guy that gets pulled over for going 75 in a 70 MPH limit in the passing lane, as like, 4 other cars (with big Laker, Heat, Nets, and Clippers decals on them for the sake of this metaphor) pass him going 80. Unless he flat out said in that conference call "We got Bogdan for this and this, what a steal!", the hypocrisy and double standards are by far the most maddening thing about this.

TD75 · Post #1858 » by **TD75** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:44 pm

skones wrote:Worth noting, that if Bogdan Bogdanovic is his "hand picked" addition, GM Giannis is not good. Bogdanovic has his warts. At no point in his three year career has he been a particularly impactful player. It's weird, that in this age of analytics, everyone basically threw them away to fawn of Bogdan Bogdanovic. I get what he brought from a shot creation standpoint, but even then with that specialty skill, the guy needs a screen to get down hill.

Bogdan would be the perfect addition for the Bucks considering the contract and the fact that we are talking about the Bucks. His skillset is actually perfect for someone that plays with Giannis.

I am actually impressed with Giannis if Bogdan was indeed his suggestion.

JimmyTheKid · Post #1859 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:45 pm

skones wrote:Worth noting, that if Bogdan Bogdanovic is his "hand picked" addition, GM Giannis is not good. Bogdanovic has his warts. At no point in his three year career has he been a particularly impactful player. It's weird, that in this age of analytics, everyone basically threw them away to fawn of Bogdan Bogdanovic. I get what he brought from a shot creation standpoint, but even then with that specialty skill, the guy needs a screen to get down hill.

He has warts, sure, I mean so does Giannis, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be the perfect fit on this team. Not sure why thats a knock on GM Giannis. Pretty sure multiple GM's wouldn't have made such a stink, and Atlanta wouldn't have paid him 4/72, if basketball folk felt Bogdan wasn't an impactful player

skones · Post #1860 » by **skones** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:48 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
skones wrote:Worth noting, that if Bogdan Bogdanovic is his "hand picked" addition, GM Giannis is not good. Bogdanovic has his warts. At no point in his three year career has he been a particularly impactful player. It's weird, that in this age of analytics, everyone basically threw them away to fawn of Bogdan Bogdanovic. I get what he brought from a shot creation standpoint, but even then with that specialty skill, the guy needs a screen to get down hill.

He has warts, sure, I mean so does Giannis, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be the perfect fit on this team. Not sure why thats a knock on GM Giannis. Pretty sure multiple GM's wouldn't have made such a stink, and Atlanta wouldn't have paid him 4/72, if basketball folk felt Bogdan wasn't an impactful player

GMs are actively trying to get Giannis away from Milwaukee. Of course they're going to make a stink when Milwaukee is involved. And Atlanta wouldn't have paid him 4/72 if basketball folk felt Bogdan wasn't an impactful player? Because these same basketball folk never hand out moronic contracts? It's these guys who are the gold standard? The proof positive?