Trade Talk (Part Five)

[shrink]

What team would honestly offer Collins a max contract? Besides the Knicks of course, they just drafted a pf to boot.

I agree with your sentiment, but the Hawks would, and since he’s a RFA, that’s plenty.

I would add that it’s hard to get a feel about the Hawks from their local posters. Before the draft, several neutral posters suggested Hawks-Wolves trades, such as #1 +#17 for #6 and Hunter. Unfortunately, I felt the majority (not all), were unreasonable about how they valued their own players, for example, demanding MIN kick in assets with the #1 pick for Hunter alone. Collins on a max deal has value, but he is the type of, “if he truly a star?”-type of maxes that don’t have a great deal of trade value, as teams determine whether they want to lock up a quarter of a guy like this for their longterm future.

[karch34]

Justin Patton just got waived. I wonder if he can be signed to a two-way contract?

This seems crazy. Watch the January clip of him. That's insane for someone his size. Waived? Cut the new big and add this dude. Or ask Knicks to pick him up and sign him, then trade them Culver for him. Throw them a 2024 second or something for a bone.

He looked a lot like he did in college in that clip. I thought he had potential and now he's a full 2 years removed from foot surgery. I think we're targeting a big for our last 2 way, so we get Jmac signed I got no issue with him getting a 2 way.

[Merc_Porto]

Now i want to see what we have in Edwards... Imagine missing a future star or superstar. Would be such a Timberwolves thing to do...

Any trade with the no.1 pick had to be made previous to the trade, not now.

The players that must be available to trade are obviously Culver and Okogie.

[Jedzz]

Justin Patton just got waived. I wonder if he can be signed to a two-way contract?

This seems crazy. Watch the January clip of him. That's insane for someone his size. Waived? Cut the new big and add this dude. Or ask Knicks to pick him up and sign him, then trade them Culver for him. Throw them a 2024 second or something for a bone.

He looked a lot like he did in college in that clip. I thought he had potential and now he's a full 2 years removed from foot surgery. I think we're targeting a big for our last 2 way, so we get Jmac signed I got no issue with him getting a 2 way.

i don't see the point in a two way. Frankly, they could add Patton instead of JMac at this point and it might make more sense. Everyone knows how much I wanted JMac playing here so I don't say this lightly. If Patton is grown up and beyond the foot issues, and showing what is in that game video these days, that's no two way guy. That's a player this roster needs. Anyone looking at that video and not seeing this I'm going to have to start questioning going further. But it wouldn't be the first overlook NBA teams bypass. I think wasn't it Detroit that had him, with their roster loaded with PFs? I'm thinking this player could work with Rosas/Ryans offense because he really does have guard/wing skills while also provide some of that size and defense the team will need at times. This is a moneyball move.

No real bigs in the league are currently that gifted as point forwards. Many hint at it, but watching that video I haven't seen anyone capable of all that in the NBA. If anyone has, do tell.

[Jedzz]

To continue the Hawks as trade partners, who have MPG problem with such a roster now (most recently with Brogdon signing)...

Edwards + Davis

FOR

Okongwu + Hunter

Have Hunter and Culver fight it out at SF. Hunter can get some small ball PF and Culver some guard minutes.

Towns | Okongwu | Reid
Okongwu | Hernangomez | Hunter
Culver or Hunter | Layman
Russell | Okogie | (Beasley works way back in)
Rubio | Russell | Culver

If they had both Culver and Hunter I might not watch this season till someone tells me they proved they got lots better.

Wait, you have Beasley third string here? Forget I bothered.

[old school 34]

Now i want to see what we have in Edwards... Imagine missing a future star or superstar. Would be such a Timberwolves thing to do...

Any trade with the no.1 pick had to be made previous to the trade, not now.

The players that must be available to trade are obviously Culver and Okogie.

100% agreed....unless it's such a no-brainer that typically never falls in MN lap.

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[old school 34]

This seems crazy. Watch the January clip of him. That's insane for someone his size. Waived? Cut the new big and add this dude. Or ask Knicks to pick him up and sign him, then trade them Culver for him. Throw them a 2024 second or something for a bone.

He looked a lot like he did in college in that clip. I thought he had potential and now he's a full 2 years removed from foot surgery. I think we're targeting a big for our last 2 way, so we get Jmac signed I got no issue with him getting a 2 way.

i don't see the point in a two way. Frankly, they could add Patton instead of JMac at this point and it might make more sense. Everyone knows how much I wanted JMac playing here so I don't say this lightly. If Patton is grown up and beyond the foot issues, and showing what is in that game video these days, that's no two way guy. That's a player this roster needs. Anyone looking at that video and not seeing this I'm going to have to start questioning going further. But it wouldn't be the first overlook NBA teams bypass. I think wasn't it Detroit that had him, with their roster loaded with PFs? I'm thinking this player could work with Rosas/Ryans offense because he really does have guard/wing skills while also provide some of that size and defense the team will need at times. This is a moneyball move.

No real bigs in the league are currently that gifted as point forwards. Many hint at it, but watching that video I haven't seen anyone capable of all that in the NBA. If you have do tell.

I'd be greedy...still sign him on a 2-way & JMac in the 15th spot. If he blows up & shows way more....your still not guaranteeing Nowell or Naz until Feb 25, I believe...so there's a way around it if needed?

Besides Wolves milked their 2-way guys almost for an entire season last year (when it was 82 games)....assuming the #'s weren't pro-rated on the 2-ways...they might be almost like having a 16th & 17th spot anyways?

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[Slim Tubby]

To continue the Hawks as trade partners, who have MPG problem with such a roster now (most recently with Brogdon signing)...

Edwards + Davis

FOR

Okongwu + Hunter

Have Hunter and Culver fight it out at SF. Hunter can get some small ball PF and Culver some guard minutes.

Towns | Okongwu | Reid
Okongwu | Hernangomez | Hunter
Culver or Hunter | Layman
Russell | Okogie | (Beasley works way back in)
Rubio | Russell | Culver

If they had both Culver and Hunter I might not watch this season till someone tells me they proved they got lots better.

Wait, you have Beasley third string here? Forget I bothered.

You're crazy...Hunter is FAR more valuable than any other player in the 2020 draft...just ask Hawks fans. Despite what the stats showed and our eyes told us, he's going to be the next undersized, poor shooting superstar PF in the NBA.

The hypocrisy by that fan base will be proven when Hunter is the FIRST player they offer up in any future trade they make for a roster upgrade. (I'm not trying to bash the ATL fanbase...we're all provincial homers to a certain extent but the trade value they placed on him is ridiculous.)

[Jedzz]

He looked a lot like he did in college in that clip. I thought he had potential and now he's a full 2 years removed from foot surgery. I think we're targeting a big for our last 2 way, so we get Jmac signed I got no issue with him getting a 2 way.

i don't see the point in a two way. Frankly, they could add Patton instead of JMac at this point and it might make more sense. Everyone knows how much I wanted JMac playing here so I don't say this lightly. If Patton is grown up and beyond the foot issues, and showing what is in that game video these days, that's no two way guy. That's a player this roster needs. Anyone looking at that video and not seeing this I'm going to have to start questioning going further. But it wouldn't be the first overlook NBA teams bypass. I think wasn't it Detroit that had him, with their roster loaded with PFs? I'm thinking this player could work with Rosas/Ryans offense because he really does have guard/wing skills while also provide some of that size and defense the team will need at times. This is a moneyball move.

No real bigs in the league are currently that gifted as point forwards. Many hint at it, but watching that video I haven't seen anyone capable of all that in the NBA. If you have do tell.

I'd be greedy...still sign him on a 2-way & JMac in the 15th spot. If he blows up & shows way more....your still not guaranteeing Nowell or Naz until Feb 25, I believe...so there's a way around it if needed?

Besides Wolves milked their 2-way guys almost for an entire season last year (when it was 82 games)....assuming the #'s weren't pro-rated on the 2-ways...they might be almost like having a 16th & 17th spot anyways?

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Whatever. I'm not on the greedy, slaving train. Nor do I want to offer a good player total trash and have him take 1 dollar more elsewhere out of spite. This is a player that could really help the team by fit that might be cheap on a short deal. Promise him some minutes so he can showcase himself, get big production out of that and Rosas is the new GM of the year and could always trade him or others later for a net gain.

[Jedzz]

To continue the Hawks as trade partners, who have MPG problem with such a roster now (most recently with Brogdon signing)...

Edwards + Davis

FOR

Okongwu + Hunter

Have Hunter and Culver fight it out at SF. Hunter can get some small ball PF and Culver some guard minutes.

Towns | Okongwu | Reid
Okongwu | Hernangomez | Hunter
Culver or Hunter | Layman
Russell | Okogie | (Beasley works way back in)
Rubio | Russell | Culver

If they had both Culver and Hunter I might not watch this season till someone tells me they proved they got lots better.

Wait, you have Beasley third string here? Forget I bothered.

You're crazy...Hunter is FAR more valuable than any other player in the 2020 draft...just ask Hawks fans. Despite what the stats showed and our eyes told us, he's going to be the next undersized, poor shooting superstar PF in the NBA.

The hypocrisy by that fan base will be proven when Hunter is the FIRST player they offer up in any future trade they make for a roster upgrade. (I'm not trying to bash the ATL fanbase...we're all provincial homers to a certain extent but the trade value they placed on him is ridiculous.)

GMs want to turn weak choices in the draft into hopefully strong trade outcomes. Maybe why there was no movement on Culver/Okogie even tho they brought in and signed multiple guards. Asking too much. Or they want 14 guards. Still not sure.

[Wolveswin]

To continue the Hawks as trade partners, who have MPG problem with such a roster now (most recently with Brogdon signing)...

Edwards + Davis

FOR

Okongwu + Hunter

Have Hunter and Culver fight it out at SF. Hunter can get some small ball PF and Culver some guard minutes.

Towns | Okongwu | Reid
Okongwu | Hernangomez | Hunter
Culver or Hunter | Layman
Russell | Okogie | (Beasley works way back in)
Rubio | Russell | Culver

If they had both Culver and Hunter I might not watch this season till someone tells me they proved they got lots better.

Wait, you have Beasley third string here? Forget I bothered.

Beasley will be third string. He should have at worst a NBA imposed suspension or at best a Wolves imposed penalty box. He should without a doubt for roster chemistry necessity, be restored to yeoman’s work back into rotation. Anything less from Wolves is a joke of upper management.

[Jedzz]

To continue the Hawks as trade partners, who have MPG problem with such a roster now (most recently with Brogdon signing)...

Edwards + Davis

FOR

Okongwu + Hunter

Have Hunter and Culver fight it out at SF. Hunter can get some small ball PF and Culver some guard minutes.

Towns | Okongwu | Reid
Okongwu | Hernangomez | Hunter
Culver or Hunter | Layman
Russell | Okogie | (Beasley works way back in)
Rubio | Russell | Culver

If they had both Culver and Hunter I might not watch this season till someone tells me they proved they got lots better.

Wait, you have Beasley third string here? Forget I bothered.

Beasley will be third string. He should have at worst a NBA imposed suspension or at best a Wolves imposed penalty box. He should without a doubt for roster chemistry necessity, be restored to yeoman’s work back into rotation. Anything less from Wolves is a joke of upper management.

oh my oh my Maybe they should put him in the Gleague for three months to really work his way back up and earn your respect back. Wonderful ideas. best thing I read all week.

[Wolveswin]

If they had both Culver and Hunter I might not watch this season till someone tells me they proved they got lots better.

Wait, you have Beasley third string here? Forget I bothered.

Beasley will be third string. He should have at worst a NBA imposed suspension or at best a Wolves imposed penalty box. He should without a doubt for roster chemistry necessity, be restored to yeoman’s work back into rotation. Anything less from Wolves is a joke of upper management.

oh my oh my

Not sure how any Wolves fan could disagree. But would love to read your attempt at why you do disagree. I sure couldn’t ascertain from the lol level of insight.

[Jedzz]

Beasley will be third string. He should have at worst a NBA imposed suspension or at best a Wolves imposed penalty box. He should without a doubt for roster chemistry necessity, be restored to yeoman’s work back into rotation. Anything less from Wolves is a joke of upper management.

oh my oh my

Not sure how any Wolves fan could disagree. But would love to read your attempt at why you do disagree. I sure couldn’t ascertain from the lol level of insight.

The onus isn't on me to explain why he shouldn't be third string. It's a given. That is 100% on you to further attempt to explain. I have my own limbs I walk out on and have to defend. This is your limb and it's a rickety spindly limb indeed. Good luck.

[Wolveswin]

oh my oh my

Not sure how any Wolves fan could disagree. But would love to read your attempt at why you do disagree. I sure couldn’t ascertain from the lol level of insight.

The onus isn't on me to explain why he shouldn't be third string. It's a given. That is 100% on you to further attempt to explain. I have my own limbs I walk out on and have to defend. This is your limb and it's a rickety spindly limb indeed. Good luck.

nice cop-out. Time to move along from this lack of quality of discussion...

[Jedzz]

Not sure how any Wolves fan could disagree. But would love to read your attempt at why you do disagree. I sure couldn’t ascertain from the lol level of insight.

The onus isn't on me to explain why he shouldn't be third string. It's a given. That is 100% on you to further attempt to explain. I have my own limbs I walk out on and have to defend. This is your limb and it's a rickety spindly limb indeed. Good luck.

nice cop-out. Time to move along from this lack of quality of discussion...

You will need to show some kind of reasoning to confront reality first. What is your actual reasoning for what sounds like a hate biased suggestion. I think I know but you are going to need to explain your loon calls here for third string.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Nobody else on this roster can show an ability recorded in the books to sustain 40-45% 3pt shooting as a starter in the NBA but Beasley and Towns. Towns hasn't even yet shot as efficiently as Beasley has as a starter, but these are the #1 and #2 talents for the Rosas/Ryan system to work. Someone has to make baskets at really high levels or the system is a failure before it begins. Do you undestand that? James Harden couldn't even make this system work at his 36% shooting. Adding a walking triple double machine like Westbrook couldn't even get it over the top. Why? Because none of them are actually capable of sustaining 40%. So in a shootem up system, it may have won or lot but there is one of their small weaknesses. They had others but if they actually had 40% shooters they wouldn't lose. The wolves having two players that have shown 40% is possible for a season have a different kind of shot at winning with this shooting system. The fact one of them is a big addresses one of the other weaknesses of the Houston system. That's why Towns and Beasley are the top 2 talents in my opinion and top 2 in importance to this working out.

We can hope Edwards becomes a tiple double machine all we want. But if his 3pt shot hovers at 30.5% he's nothing more then Westbrook, and Harden plus Westbrook couldn't even get it done. There is no greater ability in basketball than shooting efficiency when it comes right down to it. Doesn't mean you can't run a different system and win. But the Rosas/Ryan system will depend on high level shooting. Go ahead, third string your best shooter and we will be the Timberwolves we've always been. Imagine rooting for that choice. Loontastic.

[Wolveswin]

The onus isn't on me to explain why he shouldn't be third string. It's a given. That is 100% on you to further attempt to explain. I have my own limbs I walk out on and have to defend. This is your limb and it's a rickety spindly limb indeed. Good luck.

nice cop-out. Time to move along from this lack of quality of discussion...

You will need to show some kind of reasoning to confront reality first. What is your actual reasoning for what sounds like a hate biased suggestion. I think I know but you are going to need to explain your loon calls here for third string.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Nobody else on this roster can show an ability recorded in the books to sustain 40-45% 3pt shooting as a starter in the NBA but Beasley and Towns. Towns hasn't even yet shot as efficiently as Beasley has as a starter, but these are the #1 and #2 talents for the Rosas/Ryan system to work. Someone has to make baskets at really high levels or the system is a failure before it begins. Do you undestand that? James Harden couldn't even make this system work at his 36% shooting. Adding a walking triple double machine like Westbrook couldn't even get it over the top. Why? Because none of them are actually capable of sustaining 40%. So in a shootem up system, it may have won or lot but there is one of their small weaknesses. They had others but if they actually had 40% shooters they wouldn't lose. The wolves having two players that have shown 40% is possible for a season have a different kind of shot at winning with this shooting system. The fact one of them is a big addresses one of the other weaknesses of the Houston system. That's why Towns and Beasley are the top 2 talents in my opinion and top 2 in importance to this working out.

We can hope Edwards becomes a tiple double machine all we want. But if his 3pt shot hovers at 30.5% he's nothing more then Westbrook, and Harden plus Westbrook couldn't even get it done. There is no greater ability in basketball than shooting efficiency when it comes right down to it. Doesn't mean you can't run a different system and win. But the Rosas/Ryan system will depend on high level shooting. Go ahead, third string your best shooter and we will be the Timberwolves we've always been. Imagine rooting for that choice. Loontastic.

I can't believe I am entertaining your train wreck dialogue. Look at the disconnect between your post and my reasoning for him being "3rd string" to start the season. Like you don't even read my posts.

If as you lay out Beasley is such a good NBA player on the court, he will have no trouble earning his way back. Which hint, hint, the reason he needs to earn his way back in the first place, has nothing to do with his on court play. Try reading my posts before this one for your answer.

[old school 34]

nice cop-out. Time to move along from this lack of quality of discussion...

You will need to show some kind of reasoning to confront reality first. What is your actual reasoning for what sounds like a hate biased suggestion. I think I know but you are going to need to explain your loon calls here for third string.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Nobody else on this roster can show an ability recorded in the books to sustain 40-45% 3pt shooting as a starter in the NBA but Beasley and Towns. Towns hasn't even yet shot as efficiently as Beasley has as a starter, but these are the #1 and #2 talents for the Rosas/Ryan system to work. Someone has to make baskets at really high levels or the system is a failure before it begins. Do you undestand that? James Harden couldn't even make this system work at his 36% shooting. Adding a walking triple double machine like Westbrook couldn't even get it over the top. Why? Because none of them are actually capable of sustaining 40%. So in a shootem up system, it may have won or lot but there is one of their small weaknesses. They had others but if they actually had 40% shooters they wouldn't lose. The wolves having two players that have shown 40% is possible for a season have a different kind of shot at winning with this shooting system. The fact one of them is a big addresses one of the other weaknesses of the Houston system. That's why Towns and Beasley are the top 2 talents in my opinion and top 2 in importance to this working out.

We can hope Edwards becomes a tiple double machine all we want. But if his 3pt shot hovers at 30.5% he's nothing more then Westbrook, and Harden plus Westbrook couldn't even get it done. There is no greater ability in basketball than shooting efficiency when it comes right down to it. Doesn't mean you can't run a different system and win. But the Rosas/Ryan system will depend on high level shooting. Go ahead, third string your best shooter and we will be the Timberwolves we've always been. Imagine rooting for that choice. Loontastic.

I can't believe I am entertaining your train wreck dialogue. Look at the disconnect between your post and my reasoning for him being "3rd string" to start the season. Like you don't even read my posts.

If as you lay out Beasley is such a good NBA player on the court, he will have no trouble earning his way back. Which hint, hint, the reason he needs to earn his way back in the first place, has nothing to do with his on court play. Try reading my posts before this one for your answer.

I can respect your issues with his off the court acts....& there isn't an organization that would prefer that their players avoided this type of stuff.

That said...for me...guys shouldn't end up in the proverbial doghouse for off court stuff (obviously within reason). But if you want to make a stand on him as an organization...then you don't sign him & I can respect that...even applaud it. But once you make the call that you're going to sign him & support him, the person...acknowledging the mistakes & help him to learn & move forward. There's no putting him in the doghouse....can't have it both ways. Suspension, sure maybe...I get that but he doesn't move on the depth chart for that stuff.

He starts @ the beginning of the season cause he's one of our best shooters. At some point, for him to forever stay in the lineup...needs to become a better defender as well &/or to a certain degree depends on younger guys development.

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[Wolveswin]

You will need to show some kind of reasoning to confront reality first. What is your actual reasoning for what sounds like a hate biased suggestion. I think I know but you are going to need to explain your loon calls here for third string.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Nobody else on this roster can show an ability recorded in the books to sustain 40-45% 3pt shooting as a starter in the NBA but Beasley and Towns. Towns hasn't even yet shot as efficiently as Beasley has as a starter, but these are the #1 and #2 talents for the Rosas/Ryan system to work. Someone has to make baskets at really high levels or the system is a failure before it begins. Do you undestand that? James Harden couldn't even make this system work at his 36% shooting. Adding a walking triple double machine like Westbrook couldn't even get it over the top. Why? Because none of them are actually capable of sustaining 40%. So in a shootem up system, it may have won or lot but there is one of their small weaknesses. They had others but if they actually had 40% shooters they wouldn't lose. The wolves having two players that have shown 40% is possible for a season have a different kind of shot at winning with this shooting system. The fact one of them is a big addresses one of the other weaknesses of the Houston system. That's why Towns and Beasley are the top 2 talents in my opinion and top 2 in importance to this working out.

We can hope Edwards becomes a tiple double machine all we want. But if his 3pt shot hovers at 30.5% he's nothing more then Westbrook, and Harden plus Westbrook couldn't even get it done. There is no greater ability in basketball than shooting efficiency when it comes right down to it. Doesn't mean you can't run a different system and win. But the Rosas/Ryan system will depend on high level shooting. Go ahead, third string your best shooter and we will be the Timberwolves we've always been. Imagine rooting for that choice. Loontastic.

I can't believe I am entertaining your train wreck dialogue. Look at the disconnect between your post and my reasoning for him being "3rd string" to start the season. Like you don't even read my posts.

If as you lay out Beasley is such a good NBA player on the court, he will have no trouble earning his way back. Which hint, hint, the reason he needs to earn his way back in the first place, has nothing to do with his on court play. Try reading my posts before this one for your answer.

I can respect your issues with his off the court acts....& there isn't an organization that would prefer that their players avoided this type of stuff.

That said...for me...guys shouldn't end up in the proverbial doghouse for off court stuff (obviously within reason). But if you want to make a stand on him as an organization...then you don't sign him & I can respect that...even applaud it. But once you make the call that you're going to sign him & support him, the person...acknowledging the mistakes & help him to learn & move forward. There's no putting him in the doghouse....can't have it both ways. Suspension, sure maybe...I get that but he doesn't move on the depth chart for that stuff.

He starts @ the beginning of the season cause he's one of our best shooters. At some point, for him to forever stay in the lineup...needs to become a better defender as well &/or to a certain degree depends on younger guys development.

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The punishment needs to fit the crime. Wolves organization determined the crime and subsequent punishment (to date) was not to the degree of NOT re-signing Beasley -- so they did (and probably at a discount). Now them and the league will determine what more needs to be done to Beasley for his criminal actions.

[Mamba4Goat]

I’m not sure what the trade looks like (maybe they add Kabengele?) but a Rubio for Pat Bev type swap is an idea that recently popped into my head that I kinda like for both teams.