Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread

Braggins · Post #561 » by **Braggins** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:00 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Horford has one 10 worst contracts in the league right now, it has negative trade value. Honestly I think Batum deal is better at this point just because it can be treated as an expiring.

I have confidence right now that we will get something done. Finding out OKC has a 27.5 million trade exception really really helped the odds.

Oh, taking on Horfords contract should be completely off the table unless someone wants to send us a bunch of picks/prospects.

Braggins · Post #562 » by **Braggins** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:02 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Langford is rawwww

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JMAC3 · Post #563 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:02 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Horford has one 10 worst contracts in the league right now, it has negative trade value. Honestly I think Batum deal is better at this point just because it can be treated as an expiring.

I have confidence right now that we will get something done. Finding out OKC has a 27.5 million trade exception really really helped the odds.

In fact who has the 10 worst contracts under 27.5 million?

I ask because that is what OKC should be looking at using the exception for... is there another deal that makes sense for them to use that one for an asset?

Batum-* obviously they get an asset and he is an expiring
Hield- Sacramento probably wants an asset for him, especially after Bog left
Barnes- might be a fit, but do they want his salary on the books for three years?
Aaron Gordon - seems like OKC would have to give value

Benjamin Linus · Post #564 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:30 pm

I was watching some Horford highlights from this past season to brief up on him in case we trade for him and mannnn that guy looks so old and slow. I've never been so bored in my life watching someone's highlights. I wouldn't even want this guy on the vet minimum

wilson115 · Post #565 » by **wilson115** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:36 pm

JMAC3 wrote:In fact who has the 10 worst contracts under 27.5 million?

I ask because that is what OKC should be looking at using the exception for... is there another deal that makes sense for them to use that one for an asset?

Batum-* obviously they get an asset and he is an expiring
Hield- Sacramento probably wants an asset for him, especially after Bog left
Barnes- might be a fit, but do they want his salary on the books for three years?
Aaron Gordon - seems like OKC would have to give value

Really pushing the envelope here, but what if the hold-up's down to Mitch trying to get back one of OKC's first-rounders? It's only one pick in a gazillion.

JMAC3 · Post #566 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:42 pm

wilson115 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:In fact who has the 10 worst contracts under 27.5 million?

I ask because that is what OKC should be looking at using the exception for... is there another deal that makes sense for them to use that one for an asset?

Batum-* obviously they get an asset and he is an expiring
Hield- Sacramento probably wants an asset for him, especially after Bog left
Barnes- might be a fit, but do they want his salary on the books for three years?
Aaron Gordon - seems like OKC would have to give value

Really pushing the envelope here, but what if the hold-up's down to Mitch trying to get back one of OKC's first-rounders? It's only one pick in a gazillion.

I dont see what OkC would be giving up a first for would be... without them the trade isn't even possible.

Post #567 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:03 pm

Braggins wrote:Langford is interesting and we actually need another wing.

Do we?

Tae - Terry - Ball - Hayward - Miles - Monk - Twin #1 - Twin #2 - Riller...

James Gatz · Post #568 » by **James Gatz** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:43 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Braggins wrote:Langford is interesting and we actually need another wing.

Do we?

Tae - Terry - Ball - Hayward - Miles - Monk - Twin #1 - Twin #2 - Riller...

I think the only true wing (can guard 2-3) is Hayward and maybe Cody Martin.

Hornet Mania · Post #569 » by **Hornet Mania** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:56 pm

Caleb Martin was looking really good before the Covid shutdown. Shot 54%(!) from 3 for the season, which is of course unsustainable but his last 9 games (really the ones where he got decent minutes) here are his stats from long range:

3/4
1/3
0/0
1/2
2/4
1/1
2/3
5/6
3/6

Plus solid defense and lots of effort. He had a positive +/- in 5 of those 9 games and double-digit points in 4 of 9. Personally I would love to see both the Martins get a lot more run, I think Mitch found a couple gem role players. I would bet Caleb is the odd man out this year though.

LofJ · Post #570 » by **LofJ** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:21 am

Read on Twitter

The Pacers really wanted Hayward, Ainge screwed himself. He should be on the hot seat honestly.

Rich4114 · Post #571 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:35 am

I hope that’s true lol

Post #572 » by **JDR720** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:47 am

I'd rather waive Batum than trade a first for Hayward in a S&T

316Hornets · Post #573 » by **316Hornets** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:50 am

Ainge seems like a snake, I'm sure he wants to turn us upside down and shake every piece of change we have out. Thankfully we have Kupchak and not Cho to negotiate.

James Gatz · Post #574 » by **James Gatz** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:53 am

JDR720 wrote:I'd rather waive Batum than trade a first for Hayward in a S&T

Agreed.

In happy news. Gordon Hayward put out a rap song in college.

Watch on YouTube

Teal25 · Post #575 » by **Teal25** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:02 am

Ainge is trash. He literally got gifted three of the most lopsided trades in sports history and won’t humble himself. His ego is out of control. Crazy how the team he depleted will likely win a championship before him.

It’s crazy how what we need to dump in a trade is exactly what we overpaid him by. :banghead:

wilson115 · Post #576 » by **wilson115** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:07 am

JMAC3 wrote:Really pushing the envelope here, but what if the hold-up's down to Mitch trying to get back one of OKC's first-rounders? It's only one pick in a gazillion.

I dont see what OkC would be giving up a first for would be... without them the trade isn't even possible.

Okay, so maybe it's too much of an Ainge move.

SWedd523 · Post #577 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:11 am

LofJ wrote:

Read on Twitter

The Pacers really wanted Hayward, Ainge screwed himself. He should be on the hot seat honestly.

Oh how the Kaminsky Turn Tables

JMAC3 · Post #578 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:16 am

SWedd523 wrote:
LofJ wrote:

Read on Twitter

The Pacers really wanted Hayward, Ainge screwed himself. He should be on the hot seat honestly.

Oh how the Kaminsky Turn Tables

To be Fair Boston had way more leverage in this deal because Indy could not of signed Hayward. We have already signed Hayward, so Boston is kind of at our mercy instead of the other way around.

wilson115 · Post #579 » by **wilson115** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:27 am

JMAC3 wrote:so Boston is kind of at our mercy instead of the other way around.

Ainge gets called a moron for doing nothing. Mitch for swallowing dead cap. Why does it feel like the other way around.

Braggins · Post #580 » by **Braggins** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:01 am

BigSlam wrote:
Braggins wrote:Langford is interesting and we actually need another wing.

Do we?

Tae - Terry - Ball - Hayward - Miles - Monk - Twin #1 - Twin #2 - Riller...

Tae/Terry/Monk/Riller can only really guard PGs (Monk can guard some SGs). I think Ball will really struggle against a lot of bigger wings and is mostly going to need to be matched up with SGs. Hayward, Miles, and the twins are the guys I see as true wings who can matchup against any size SG/SF, but Miles is going to need to soak up a lot of the PF minutes and its hard to say how good the twins really are. I don't think another wing is a huge need, but I think we could use another option and getting one that had some decent upside could be cool.