Welcome Tyrese Maxey!

[Kobblehead]

I know I'm late to the party, but I just had to hi-lite this one part as why you have zero credibility with me anymore. There's video of him literally just letting guys run past him in college. GTFO.

Cool, so you form opinions on 2 second vines you saw in 2016.

My analysis said he was an elite defender coming out and he's already an all-NBA defender. So maybe you should just listen to me next time so you don't get fed bad information. I said Ben Simmons and Alex Caruso were the best defensive players in the SEC that year and it wasn't even close. And low and behold...

[Kobblehead]

I think many of you are comparing him to what Deron developed into. Looking at Deron's first year in college, then Maxey is comparable. Derons first year at Utah wasn't anything special either. He developed into the great player, but before then, he wasn't all that different, especially his freshman year in college to Maxey.

Not even close to a similar player. What kind of comparison even is this?

[davesilver]

Re-watching his highlights, and it's definitely mindblowing how most of his clips are just crazy difficult shots he shouldn't be making. His floater game is insane btw.

I just hope this isn't an indicator of poor shot selection. Can see a world where he's a better Ish Smith, which could be starting / elite 6 man player. I think he's going into the perfect coaching staff for the mold of player he is.

[Kobblehead]

Shot selection is definitely a concern, as is his terrible defense.

As I keep mentioning, I definitely think there's an aroma of a "losing player" to Maxey. Unfortunately.

[LloydFree]

A lot of his movements and stuff he does kinda reminds me of Post-injury Derrick Rose. But I hesitate to compare college players directly to older NBA players, who have lost their athleticism. It's better to compare players at the same stage.

[Kobblehead]

I have no doubt we'll find benefits to Maxey. He's going to score in the halfcourt with relative ease. I do expect an eventual 33-36% three point shot from him.

All that said, I do think he's going to wind up being a sweetener in an eventual trade, at some point. Too defensively deficient to project as an eventual starter or to want to keep longterm, IMO.

[Skates]

Going with my original hot take, Andrew Toney 2.0

[Kobblehead]

I'm too young to have watched Toney, but from I know about him, I think the comparison works. With the main discrepancy being body type. Maxey is rock solid.

[LloydFree]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Edit: I mean "Selfish" in a good way. He was more likely to pull up for a jumper in a defender's face and had no conscience.

[Negrodamus]

Getting Lou Williams would have also provided a mold for him to learn from, perhaps even guidance, in his first season.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't know Toney either, I just know that he's somewhat legendary with this organization. I know he had some amazing playoff games on the biggest stage. I know that having a player like Toney on this current team would make us finals contenders all day. While the comparison may be a bit off with Tyrese vrs Toney, I think one would hope that he eventually has that type of impact for us. I like him quite a bit considering where we drafted him at. I think he slipped a little. I think he's going to do some nice things for us and I think that if we're patient enough, he'll become a household name for this team and city.

[Arsenal]

Andrew Toney was a fantastic shooter from what I (barely) remember. Of all the comps in this thread, I like that one the best even though its pretty terrible lol.

[Negrodamus]

I wish we could have traded for a better pick in this year's draft instead. Seems absurdly stacked.

[Skates]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Toney was strong as a bull, was more of a two point sniper than a three point shooter, which was probably a product of the game at that time. They are very close in size, I would say Maxey is a more advanced passer at this stage and both had a lot of potential to defend and Toney in his prime was not Toney as a rookie. Toney killed people on drives and pull ups and the one thing Maxey will have trouble matching is Toney’s first step which was insanely explosive. Both have excellent touch and an innate feel for scoring. Remember Toney was a sixth man for a few years before moving into the starting lineup.

I’m not saying he is the real second coming of one of my favorite all time Sixers, just saying they share a lot of traits at about the same stage of their career, with Toney having a longer time to develop in college.

[LloydFree]

Andrew Toney was a fantastic shooter from what I (barely) remember. Of all the comps in this thread, I like that one the best even though its pretty terrible lol.

Other than the shooting and defense, the other difference between the two is play style and pace. Maxey has one speed: Fast as he can go. Toney didn't play like that at all. He was methodical and rarely played fast. He was a good athlete with a monster first step, but he was a half court player, not a transition player at all.

[Arsenal]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Toney was strong as a bull, was more of a two point sniper than a three point shooter, which was probably a product of the game at that time. They are very close in size, I would say Maxey is a more advanced passer at this stage and both had a lot of potential to defend and Toney in his prime was not Toney as a rookie. Toney killed people on drives and pull ups and the one thing Maxey will have trouble matching is Toney’s first step which was insanely explosive. Both have excellent touch and an innate feel for scoring. Remember Toney was a sixth man for a few years before moving into the starting lineup.

I’m not saying he is the real second coming of one of my favorite all time Sixers, just saying they share a lot of traits at about the same stage of their career, with Toney having a longer time to develop in college.

Man I hope so. If Maxey turns into the second coming of Andrew Toney we're golden.

[Skates]

I would be happy with a poor man’s version of AT22.

[LloydFree]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Toney was strong as a bull, was more of a two point sniper than a three point shooter, which was probably a product of the game at that time. They are very close in size, I would say Maxey is a more advanced passer at this stage and both had a lot of potential to defend and Toney in his prime was not Toney as a rookie. Toney killed people on drives and pull ups and the one thing Maxey will have trouble matching is Toney’s first step which was insanely explosive. Both have excellent touch and an innate feel for scoring. Remember Toney was a sixth man for a few years before moving into the starting lineup.

I’m not saying he is the real second coming of one of my favorite all time Sixers, just saying they share a lot of traits at about the same stage of their career, with Toney having a longer time to develop in college.

Andrew Toney wasn't a 6th man because he wasn't good enough or needed to be developed. Andrew Toney was a 6th man because teams didn't bench good veterans for rookies in those days. Lionel Hollins was still a good player, but it was clear from day one, he was better than Hollins.

Either way, I don't see any resemblance between Maxey and Toney. One is a half court sniper, with a huge 1st step and the other is a transition player, who plays one speed.

[Sixersftw]

I wish we could have traded for a better pick in this year's draft instead. Seems absurdly stacked.

I think dont see a ton of 2021 and 2022 picks getting moved. I think these 2 draft are gonna replace a lot of the aging talent late 2000's draft classes.

[Winejk]

I'm a huge Toney fan so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.

He would have been one of the all time greats if he had a longer career. If Toney had been able to be healthy when Barkley took over the team the Sixers would have been formidable.

To me Toney was a better version of Joe Dumars. Dumars was a two guard that could play PG as well. Both could shoot. Both could handle the rock. Toney was better at getting to the rim and finishing. Both played good defense. The difference is Toney could carry a team while Dumars was more of high level all around chemistry guy. Moses gets most of the credit for getting the Sixers over the top in 1982-83, but you could arguably say the emergence of Toney was just as important. Toney's emergence meant the Sixers had three go to scorers (Moses, Doc and Toney), and Toney could do it in the most different ways.

Toney had an explosive first step. He also could post up. I remember him posting up Larry Bird and abusing him despite being 4-5 inches shorter. There literally was nothing he couldn't do. Too bad he got injured and then had a feud with the then Sixers owner, Harold Katz. It is a shame Toney isn't more involved with the Sixers (When Maurice Cheeks was head coach he almost got Toney to be an assistant coach.) in his retirement. He pretty much disavows the team and keeps to himself.

Without looking it up, I positive he would be an advance stat darling in today's world. He was insanely efficient scoring. For a SG his FG% was well over .500. He didn't take many 3FGA mainly because nobody did back in the day, but he could shoot it. He got to the line at a good rate and knocked them down at a good rate. I think he averaged 4+ assists a game which is good for a SG. About the only problem with Toney was he was turnover prone, but back in the day most guys with high usage had bad turnover stats.

Anyway, I don't know Maxey's game that well, but if he's even close to Toney we got a good one.