Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0

babyjax13 · Post #641 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:59 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Indy’s max offer was allegedly Turner, Lamb, and a 1st*, or Turner/McDermott, but Ainge thought he could finagle a second starter out of it and was surprised by Charlotte jumping in.

* JMichael reported specifically Turner, rotation player and a 1st, and I’m putting this together from the other Indy reporting as well that the standing offer was Myles/Doug. Also, reports that Simon was willing to pay the tax for Hayward.

Every year Ainge does something absolutely obnoxious. Honestly he should have taken this, it's way too much.

Rumors are funny— Boston leaks something and its ‘there Ainge goes with his self serving leaks again’. Meanwhile, Indy leaks something completely self serving and its ‘Hah! Ainge is an idiot!’

It's every offseason, it's old.

Post #642 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:01 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Rumors are funny— Boston leaks something and its ‘there Ainge goes with his self serving leaks again’. Meanwhile, Indy leaks something completely self serving and its ‘Hah! Ainge is an idiot!’

Every team leaks self-serving stuff. What gets Ainge is his sheer volume of it.

And I don't care who is leaking this if Ainge didn't take Turner and a first for free he is in fact an idiot.

Post #643 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:09 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Indy’s max offer was allegedly Turner, Lamb, and a 1st*, or Turner/McDermott, but Ainge thought he could finagle a second starter out of it and was surprised by Charlotte jumping in.

* JMichael reported specifically Turner, rotation player and a 1st, and I’m putting this together from the other Indy reporting as well that the standing offer was Myles/Doug. Also, reports that Simon was willing to pay the tax for Hayward.

Ainge has really dropped the ball here.

Pretty sure his treasure chest of picks ran dry this offseason too. Think about the team the Celtics had 3 years ago and the boatload of picks they had. Ainge came up super small from that position, if he wasn't so highly regarded he would have lost his job by now.

gom · Post #644 » by **gom** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:13 am

Are we just going to ignore that Ainge has Jaylen Brown, Tatum, & Marcus Smart? I'm kind of confused that a Heat fan has to do a reality check, but the Celtics also played in the ECF, and I thought they were a damn good team.

Post #645 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:15 am

gom wrote:Are we just going to ignore that Ainge has Jaylen Brown, Tatum, & Marcus Smart? I'm kind of confused that a Heat fan has to do a reality check, but the Celtics also played in the ECF, and I thought they were a damn good team.

They are and they haven’t become irrelevant or anything, but they so far have missed some real opportunities to get better.

PaKwAn · Post #646 » by **PaKwAn** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:30 am

Even without the pick i would have taken turner and filler for hayward... he would fill a need and fits the timeline of tatum and brown.

gom · Post #647 » by **gom** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:33 am

--- remaining notable free agents ---

Chris Chiozza (PG) 25 yo —rfa—Nets
Yogi Ferrell (PG) 27 yo — ufa
Reggie Jackson (PG) 30 yo — ufa
Shabazz Napier (PG) 29 yo — ufa
Isaiah Thomas (PG) 31 yo — ufa

Gerald Green (SG) 34 yo — ufa
Shaquille Harrison (SG) 27 yo — ufa
Tyler Johnson (SG) 28 yo — ufa
Kyle Korver (SG) 39 yo — ufa
Jordan McLaughlin (SG) 24 yo — rfa—Wolves
Jordan McRae (SG) 29 yo — ufa

C.J. Miles (SF) 33 yo — ufa
Andre Roberson (SG/SF) 28 yo -- ufa
Glenn Robinson III (SF) 26 yo — ufa

Anthony Davis (PF/C) 27 yo — ufa {lakers}
Jared Dudley (PF) 35 yo — ufa
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (PF) 25 yo — ufa
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (PF) 27 yo — ufa
Noah Vonleh (PF/C) 25 yo — ufa

Cheick Diallo (C) 24 yo — ufa
Kyle O'Quinn (C) 30 yo — ufa
Anthony Tolliver (C) 35 yo — ufa

Link to a better list: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/
UFA only: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/available/

Post #648 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:34 am

Andre Roberson is a free agent. No? Ok

Post #649 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:17 am

gom wrote:--- remaining notable free agents ---

Chris Chiozza (PG) 25 yo —rfa—Nets
Yogi Ferrell (PG) 27 yo — ufa
Reggie Jackson (PG) 30 yo — ufa
Shabazz Napier (PG) 29 yo — ufa
Isaiah Thomas (PG) 31 yo — ufa

Gerald Green (SG) 34 yo — ufa
Shaquille Harrison (SG) 27 yo — ufa
Tyler Johnson (SG) 28 yo — ufa
Kyle Korver (SG) 39 yo — ufa
Jordan McLaughlin (SG) 24 yo — rfa—Wolves
Jordan McRae (SG) 29 yo — ufa

C.J. Miles (SF) 33 yo — ufa
Andre Roberson (SG/SF) 28 yo -- ufa
Glenn Robinson III (SF) 26 yo — ufa

Anthony Davis (PF/C) 27 yo — ufa {lakers}
Jared Dudley (PF) 35 yo — ufa
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (PF) 25 yo — ufa
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (PF) 27 yo — ufa
Noah Vonleh (PF/C) 25 yo — ufa

Cheick Diallo (C) 24 yo — ufa
Kyle O'Quinn (C) 30 yo — ufa
Anthony Tolliver (C) 35 yo — ufa

Link to a better list: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/
UFA only: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/available/

I'm a little surprised no one has signed Hollis-Jefferson and Ferrell.

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Post #650 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:24 am

Is a 30m TPE worth more to the Celtics than just a 27m expiring Batum who they can trade before deadline or re-sign and trade next offseason? If so, why?

Post #651 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:29 am

zimpy27 wrote:Is a 30m TPE worth more to the Celtics than just a 27m expiring Batum who they can trade before deadline or re-sign and trade next offseason? If so, why?

Yes TPE will last through the offseason unlike Batum and no salary back in a trade a lot better than Batum’s corpse at 27m. Only upside on Batum is the ability to later aggregate.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #652 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:40 am

zimpy27 wrote:Is a 30m TPE worth more to the Celtics than just a 27m expiring Batum who they can trade before deadline or re-sign and trade next offseason? If so, why?

Yes, because they can take anyone into the TPE, rather than trying to find someone who wants Batum

Post #653 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:42 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Is a 30m TPE worth more to the Celtics than just a 27m expiring Batum who they can trade before deadline or re-sign and trade next offseason? If so, why?

Yes TPE will last through the offseason unlike Batum and no salary back in a trade a lot better than Batum’s corpse at 27m. Only upside on Batum is the ability to later aggregate.

Understand, it's more attractive for another team as they take no salary back but by midseason Batum will be at about 18m.

Batum allows you to aggregate but you can also re-sign him next season over the cap. Far less restrictive.

I think the 30m TPE is slightly more valuable but 27m batum and another piece is pretty attractive.

Post #654 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:19 am

Read on Twitter

?s=21

K_chile22 · Post #655 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:28 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Rightfully so. They waived him and he went on to play for another team for a full season before retiring. Worth a shot I guess but was such a silly request

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #656 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:35 am

K_chile22 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21
Rightfully so. They waived him and he went on to play for another team for a full season before retiring. Worth a shot I guess but was such a silly request

He play 22 games. not quite a full season.

K_chile22 · Post #657 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:44 am

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21
Rightfully so. They waived him and he went on to play for another team for a full season before retiring. Worth a shot I guess but was such a silly request

He play 22 games. not quite a full season.

Pretty sure most of those were dnp-cd. He was just washed up

wolves_89 · Post #658 » by **wolves_89** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:14 am

K_chile22 wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Rightfully so. They waived him and he went on to play for another team for a full season before retiring. Worth a shot I guess but was such a silly request

He play 22 games. not quite a full season.
Pretty sure most of those were dnp-cd. He was just washed up

Through the first 60 games he was healthy and on the active roster, he was just didn't get on the floor very often.

ejftw · Post #659 » by **ejftw** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:20 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
gom wrote:Are we just going to ignore that Ainge has Jaylen Brown, Tatum, & Marcus Smart? I'm kind of confused that a Heat fan has to do a reality check, but the Celtics also played in the ECF, and I thought they were a damn good team.

They are and they haven’t become irrelevant or anything, but they so far have missed some real opportunities to get better.

Basically. Just because they are a good, or arguably great, team doesn't excuse the fact that Ainge has dropped the ball on trades that would have made them better, potentially dynasty level.

wablty · Post #660 » by **wablty** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:24 am

Does MKG have anything left? I feel like a min to the Wolves could help both parties if he can play some small 4.

Really can't see Minnesota going w/ 2 bigs for more than spot minutes ever, but I do think they're lacking in big, strong, defense-oriented wing department.

For all I know he's got a compound fracture of the everything right now though.