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[Big Dog Yank]

I gotta say, maybe Giannis' opinion of "win-at-all-costs" Bogdan has changed since he went to a much, much worse team for a relatively small bump in pay. I know nothing is easier than making financial decisions for other people (we are, collectively, experts at it), but you would think someone obsessed with winning as much as Bogdan supposedly is would be perfectly fine making slightly less to be on a winner. If that's the case, perhaps Giannis is looking at all of this in a different light. Lord knows I would, especially if I spent months courting this guy.

[BucksFanSD]

There are a lot of what ifs. What if Middleton didn't come back from injury to play the final 29 games of the 2016-17 season when they were out of the playoffs? We would have Jamal Murray.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/middlkh01/gamelog/2017

[skones]

Being realistic means understanding there's not one player he's demanding they get. You're making this out like the Twilight Zone episode where everyone was afraid that they'd upset Billy Mummy, and he'd make them disappear if they didn't do exactly what he wanted to. I think Giannis is just requesting competence, and he hasn't gotten it.

I LITERALLY said no one is implying that he's making harsh demands and then you tell me that's what "being realistic" means.

You have a very selective memory lately, and you continuously argue for the sake of arguing. This is also what you said:

The franchise will do anything Giannis wants until he signs the supermax. The number one priority is making him happy. Like it or not, that makes him defacto GM.

and that's what I was responding to.

Not to mention, you felt the need to start your previous post with "Or we could be realistic". Don't get pissed off when I respond to that.

You're the one taking some sort of exception to GM Giannis. I'm not getting pissed off at all. I'm pointing out that you didn't read what I said.

What Giannis wants is not equal to a demand. You're drawing a false equivalency.

[LUKE23]

Murray was the 2016 draft. We may have had Donovan Mitchell though.

[theFireBlanket]

I gotta say, maybe Giannis' opinion of "win-at-all-costs" Bogdan has changed since he went to a much, much worse team for a relatively small bump in pay. I know nothing is easier than making financial decisions for other people (we are, collectively, experts at it), but you would think someone obsessed with winning as much as Bogdan supposedly is would be perfectly fine making slightly less to be on a winner. If that's the case, perhaps Giannis is looking at all of this in a different light. Lord knows I would, especially if I spent months courting this guy.

Maybe he couldn't come to Milwaukee without risking his career, his agent & the Bucks standing with the tampering investigation begun.

[Ruzious]

I LITERALLY said no one is implying that he's making harsh demands and then you tell me that's what "being realistic" means.

You have a very selective memory lately, and you continuously argue for the sake of arguing. This is also what you said:

The franchise will do anything Giannis wants until he signs the supermax. The number one priority is making him happy. Like it or not, that makes him defacto GM.

and that's what I was responding to.

Not to mention, you felt the need to start your previous post with "Or we could be realistic". Don't get pissed off when I respond to that.

You're the one taking some sort of exception to GM Giannis. I'm not getting pissed off at all. I'm pointing out that you didn't read what I said.

Right, that's why you talked in caps. Just give it a rest. This back and forth is a waste of time for both of us.

[yannisk]

Worth noting, that if Bogdan Bogdanovic is his "hand picked" addition, GM Giannis is not good. Bogdanovic has his warts. At no point in his three year career has he been a particularly impactful player. It's weird, that in this age of analytics, everyone basically threw them away to fawn of Bogdan Bogdanovic. I get what he brought from a shot creation standpoint, but even then with that specialty skill, the guy needs a screen to get down hill.

Bogdan would be the perfect addition for the Bucks considering the contract and the fact that we are talking about the Bucks. His skillset is actually perfect for someone that plays with Giannis.

I am actually impressed with Giannis if Bogdan was indeed his suggestion.

There are probably 60 or 70 players in this league better than Bogdan. THAT'S the guy you want to target? I'll aim higher.

we can dream sure, but we do not get Durant for Ersan Dj Wilson and DDV

[raferfenix]

Thinking about Donte’s value and how the Pacers reportedly insisted on him in (ultimately rejected) Oladipo trade scenarios.

Interested that Bledsoe was heading to Sacramento in the original trade package as well.

Antetokounmpo was pulling levers to help the Bucks help themselves. He had listed several wing players he hoped the Bucks could land in order to fortify his surrounding cast for a better effort at the 2021 championship. Wizards All-Star Bradley Beal was never a realistic option. Pacers All-Star Victor Oladipo was discussed in numerous trade scenarios, sources said, but Indiana ultimately declined Milwaukee's advances. At one point, that included a discussion of Donte DiVincenzo, George Hill and the No. 24 pick in the 2020 draft.

Early conversations centered on sending Eric Bledsoe and the No. 24 pick to Sacramento, sources said. But the Kings insisted on guard DiVincenzo being included in any deal, just as the Pacers did in the talks regarding Oladipo, according to sources.

Any deal that brought Bledsoe—and the three years, roughly $54.4 million remaining on his contract—back to Sacramento would have cleared the necessary room under the $139 million apron for the Bucks to offer a competitive salary to Bogdanovic. Sacramento brass had known from conversations with Bogdanovic's representatives that the guard was seeking an average annual salary around $18 million.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919681-inside-the-botched-sign-and-trade-that-could-send-giannis-antetokounmpo-packing

[leroyjw10]

I just realized, we paid Patty a good penny to stay around. What if hes the starter?

My exact thought when he signed.

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He won’t. It was just horrible GMing. The Conny re-signing was one of the most inexplicable signings of all NBA signings. Out of all potential wing players, I'd play him last behind Middleton, Donte, Forbes, Craig and Merril, in order.

He seems like a great guy, but Pat is who he is, and I don't see him improving much. Outside of dunking, I don't know what it is that he does well. It's fine to bring him back, but I wouldn't have given him more than the vet min.

[raferfenix]

Best case scenario: The Bucks made a calculated risk going for it with Holiday.

The Bogdan trade got screwed up in part as an after shock of that shockingly ballsy move.

Giannis preferred Bogdan but maybe he actually believes it when he talks about how he doesn’t want to be the GM and trusts our front offices’ judgement.

Or, worst case scenario, he no longer does and we are screwed.

Yet all the while, Milwaukee remained in aggressive pursuit of Holiday. And by all accounts, New Orleans management successfully engineered a bidding war for Holiday's services. The Boston Celtics offered Gordon Hayward plus their three first-round picks in last week's draft, it is said. Atlanta is known to have discussed the No. 6 pick, Dewayne Dedmon and sharpshooting youngster Kevin Huerter. Denver and Dallas were also rumored as significant suitors.

The clock was ticking. Only 48 hours remained before the draft. And despite Bledsoe's salary number being an apparent necessity to match Bogdanovic's preferred number in free agency, Milwaukee moved forward with its Holiday acquisition.

Bledsoe was also always a centerpiece in any trade for Holiday, one source said.

Adding Holiday was an obvious upgrade, but Bogdanovic was communicated as Antetokoumpo's preferred addition all offseason. The Antetokounmpo brothers had tried to lure him with the promise of forming a Big Three with Giannis and Khris Middleton. Holiday was an added bonus.

[giannis and 1]

We probably aren't even having these Bogdan discussions had we drafted better under LED. They bought the team in April 2014, and we had four straight first round picks of:

Parker
Vaughn
Maker
Wilson

We got absolutely zero long-term rotation players out of those picks, all 17 or higher. That's a pretty huge deal when you talk about team building, and having to make up for those mistakes using free agent dollars.

Can't really blame Parker on them though.

[giannis and 1]

Bogdan is a bum, **** that guy. DDV will be better within a year.

[CJTURT]

Whiteside for the minimum. Could have been a different type of piece for us.

[CJTURT]

Bogdan is a bum, **** that guy. DDV will be better within a year.

We agree on something!! DDV is in for a breakout season!!!

[Prez]

Well at least he was just looking for a big 3 and wasn’t set on adding Bogdan *and* Jrue lol. Because Jrue is so much better than Bogdan it’s not even funny and we actually do have a big 3 now, or something close to it.

[Wisky4life]

Saw a trade idea....Thoughts?

Bucks: Myles Turner and two 2nds
Indy: Lopez and DDV

I still want Wilson dumped and us to pick up 2 min vets.

[FrieAaron]

Saw a trade idea....Thoughts?

Bucks: Myles Turner and two 2nds
Indy: Lopez and DDV

I still want Wilson dumped and us to pick up 2 min vets.

Easy yes for me.

[mediocrityrules]

Murray was the 2016 draft. We may have had Donovan Mitchell though.

But I think to your previous post, we would have ended up with another Parker/Thon type of pick anyhow knowing how we tend to draft (or god forbid, another 'Joe Alexander' special)

[Jedzz]

Bucks fans, just tell your team owner to trade Giannis. Force whatever team it is to assemble however many other team's help and other moves as they need to in order to pay the ransom for him. Open it up wide to the whole league and the highest bidders. Watch the rest of the league scurry. Make out like bandits and kick this guy to the curb already. The team that gets him will be torn down to it's bottom dollars and assets. Move on, enjoying the easy life with years of picks and player assets to keep assembling strong teams each year that are more then a one legged table in the playoffs and just enjoy it. You've been winning plenty lately, but you can't let this one guy drag you through the mud now.

[Aaron It Out]

Bucks fans, just tell your team owner to trade Giannis. Force whatever team it is to assemble however many other team's help and other moves as they need to in order to pay the ransom for him. Open it up wide to the highest bidders. Watch the rest of the league scurry. Make out like bandits and kick this guy to the curb already. The team that gets him will be torn down to it's bottom dollars and assets. Move on, enjoying the easy life with years of picks and player assets to keep assembling strong teams each year that are more then a one legged table in the playoffs and just enjoy it. You've been winning plenty lately, but you can't let this one guy drag you through the mud now.

Right on, just promise we might draft players as good as Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington when we do.