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[Jedzz]

All I care about is that we win this upcoming season. Just win a title and my life as a bucks fan will be ok . I’ve waited for god dam ever.

I can understand that.

It's just the constant torment from his crew and leaks now the Bucks don't deserve.

The Bucks created a home for him to develop into who he is, most the money he's earned to date. They are the ones who picked him in the draft. 14 others team's didn't and who knows where he would have dropped to. Drop too far and maybe he never gets a chance to become what he has. Just being on a different team might have changed everything. Could have ended up nothing but a curiousity on the bench or worse of a playoff team that doesn't have roster spots opening often. Bucks gave him this opportunity and have been steadfast in supporting him that I know of.

Don't plan on signing? Fine, then be respectful and tell the team quietly and either finish your time or prepare for trade.

[trwi7]

Ban.

wow

It's almost like going onto a team's forum and telling them to trade the MVP won't be well received!

[AussieBuck]

Yeah **** off wanker.

[Jedzz]

Ban.

wow

It's almost like going onto a team's forum and telling them to trade the MVP won't be well received!

ok I get it. Just going to tell you I don't see myself posting here for those kinds of reasons or intensions. I'm honestly here because I feel bad for what your team and you are having to sit through. We all know he's amazing. But is he really enough to put up with this stuff now? I fully believed your team had enough to win it all in at least two seasons now. He's just as much a part of the reason they didn't win it all yet as anyone else is, maybe moreso, as everything is built around his usage being king and he might want to start looking at how the Bucks fit players around him already that could have been enough. They certainly got close.

[blazza18]

I am so bloody confused man.

[trwi7]

I am so bloody confused man.

And for once not just because you're Australian.

[har13]

Since it appears the Bucks didn’t really have a chance at get both Bogie and Jrue. If you had to pick one, which would you prefer (based on the rumors that Beldsoe was gone)

1) Jrue/DDV/Middleton/Giannis/Brook (6th - DJA)
2) Hill/Bogie/Middleton/Giannis/Brook (6th - DDV)

These would be the starting lineups.

I think #1 is by far the best. We made the right move.

Before the trades i wrote here that we need to sign a 3rd star or upgrade both our guards , sign a sniper coming of the bench and 3/4 player or the bench.

Many don't like Schroder but i believe he is a big upgrade over Bledsoe on offence , last year he was 38.5% from 3 and i believe they did well going after him, Lakers traded him tho.

I think the plan was and i agree with what thy were trying to do

Schroder for Bledsoe and a first round pick
Bogdan for Ersan. Donte, DJ and a first round pick

That combination save us about 10 millions and first round picks.

I would also trade Hill and few 2nd round picks for Trucker and Mclemore.

No need for Pat and his contract, Sign like we did Augustin and a big.

Postseason

Schroder/ Augustin
Bogdan/ Mclemore
Khris/ Tucker/ Mclemore
Giannis/ Tucker
Brook/ Giannis/ Portis.

9 players rotation, you save a pick and we stay under tax i believe.

[th87]

wow

It's almost like going onto a team's forum and telling them to trade the MVP won't be well received!

ok I get it. Just going to tell you I don't see myself posting here for those kinds of reasons or intensions. I'm honestly here because I feel bad for what your team and you are having to sit through. We all know he's amazing. But is he really enough to put up with this stuff now? I fully believed your team had enough to win it all in at least two seasons now. He's just as much a part of the reason they didn't win it all yet as anyone else is, maybe moreso, as everything is built around his usage being king and he might want to start looking at how the Bucks fit players around him already that could have been enough. They certainly got close.

Not convinced he's pulling a player acquisition ultimatum. I think he knows he needs to be better in the playoffs, and if the Bucks can convince him it was the corrupt NBA's fault for blocking Bogdan, he might relish in the us versus the world approach.

[RiotPunch]

wow

It's almost like going onto a team's forum and telling them to trade the MVP won't be well received!

ok I get it. Just going to tell you I don't see myself posting here for those kinds of reasons or intensions. I'm honestly here because I feel bad for what your team and you are having to sit through. We all know he's amazing. But is he really enough to put up with this stuff now? I fully believed your team had enough to win it all in at least two seasons now. He's just as much a part of the reason they didn't win it all yet as anyone else is, maybe moreso, as everything is built around his usage being king and he might want to start looking at how the Bucks fit players around him already that could have been enough. They certainly got close.

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[RiotPunch]

Ban.

wow

Watch on YouTube

[Fotis St]

We should know better, we 've seen it before. Amateur GM and Owner who just uses a team to inflate his ego or something.
Anyway I read somewhere that the "rival" that filed the official complaint to the NBA is (of course?) Pat Riley and the Miami Heat.
Pat Riley is playing chess all these years and the bucks the last 2 years are making Giannis doubt and leave his home.

[willmatic23]

Technically, couldn't the Bucks still trade with Atlanta for Bogdan mid-season? (I recall Blake getting traded mid-season right after signing that huge contract)

Just looking at the logjam at the wing position for the Hawks:

Gallinari (will probably play 3,4)
Kevin Huerter
De'Andre Hunter
Cam Reddish
Tony Snell
DeAndre' Bembry
Treveon Graham
Charlie Brown Jr.

& Bogdan.

Granted, Bogdan is better than the wings they have, but I can't imagine Hawks just trying to stunt the growth of some of those young dudes, specifically Huerter, Hunter, and Reddish.

But yeah, wishful thinking...

[slicedbread2]

We probably aren't even having these Bogdan discussions had we drafted better under LED. They bought the team in April 2014, and we had four straight first round picks of:

Parker
Vaughn
Maker
Wilson

We got absolutely zero long-term rotation players out of those picks, all 17 or higher. That's a pretty huge deal when you talk about team building, and having to make up for those mistakes using free agent dollars.

Don't forget the golden blunder: signing Giannis for a 4 year deal and insisting on keeping the 5 year max for Parker. That was the dumbest move ever especially considering Giannis by that point was more better than Parker. If they'd done that with no options, they'd have more time with Giannis to surround him with good players. They should've cut their losses with Parker and trade him in 2016 when he still had value where at least you could've gotten 2 1sts with both being pro.

Another note: hiring Jason Kidd. The dude only got hired b/c of his friendship with Lasry. Separating the personal from the professional flew through Marc's head. Kidd may be a HOF pg, but the dude was a hack as a HC who cost the Bucks 2 2nds and had initiated a failed coup d'etat in Brooklyn with Billy King. Him insisting on MCW instead of the Lakers pick from the Suns should piss off a lot of Bucks fans.

2015 draft was rough. I don't think any team was willing to move up in the draft and asides from Booker and Turner, it was brutal.
2016: They should've drafted Domantas Sabonis and gone with BPA instead of need. Instead they clogged their C rotation with Henson, Plumlee and other bad deals. Too bad they missed out on Murray.
2017: That one was brutal. They could've tried and make a move for Mitchell or even Bam. Sadly they were gone, but with the next pick, the Hawks took Kevin Huerter who sadly would've been a great fit for this team. Plus giving up the Clips' 1st for Grievis that turned into OG Anunoby was brutal.

It makes you wonder how they whiffed on so many picks and how nobody outside of Giannis, Brogdon and Middleton developed and were resigned.

[JayMKE]

A team full of fringe allstar players can win it all.

Such as? If you don’t have a top player then you may as well forfeit, I think the playoffs should be halved so o my competitive teams make it. I have no interest in mediocrity, if Giannis left then Lasry/Edens should be chased out of town and I’d want the whole org traded for a NHL team because they’re never going to us win in the NBA.

[ShootingtheJ]

We should know better, we 've seen it before. Amateur GM and Owner who just uses a team to inflate his ego or something.
Anyway I read somewhere that the "rival" that filed the official complaint to the NBA is (of course?) Pat Riley and the Miami Heat.
Pat Riley is playing chess all these years and the bucks the last 2 years are making Giannis doubt and leave his home.

Riley is playing chess? He turned down 4 first round picks so he could pick the immortal Justice Winslow. He played checkers against himself and lost. He's not getting Giannis.

[ShootingtheJ]

Technically, couldn't the Bucks still trade with Atlanta for Bogdan mid-season? (I recall Blake getting traded mid-season right after signing that huge contract)

Just looking at the logjam at the wing position for the Hawks:

Gallinari (will probably play 3,4)
Kevin Huerter
De'Andre Hunter
Cam Reddish
Tony Snell
DeAndre' Bembry
Treveon Graham
Charlie Brown Jr.

& Bogdan.

Granted, Bogdan is better than the wings they have, but I can't imagine Hawks just trying to stunt the growth of some of those young dudes, specifically Huerter, Hunter, and Reddish.

But yeah, wishful thinking...

Atlanta nontendered most of those guys. Huerter and Snell are nothing, Hunter and Gallinari will continue to play the 4. Atlanta is sick with their terrible defensive team.

Bogdan is so overrated. It makes me sad when people deny data science.

[crowhead76]

Any interest in Jordan McCrae?

[Jedzz]

A team full of fringe allstar players can win it all.

Such as? If you don’t have a top player then you may as well forfeit, I think the playoffs should be halved so o my competitive teams make it. I have no interest in mediocrity, if Giannis left then Lasry/Edens should be chased out of town and I’d want the whole org traded for a NHL team because they’re never going to us win in the NBA.

Such as the heat will make a run at it again this year. Did you know they were starting an undrafted 2nd year player in the playoffs, and undrafted rookie starting at pg much of the year, and a #13 rookie in playoff games this year? The rest of the team was loaded with position flexible Forward role players with winning experience led by a competitive leader. Jimmy Butler was always fringe, he didn't just become something different at age 31. It was a good team they put together and they had a great run at it. Were they mediocre? Should they not have bothered?

Someone will always lose in the finals. Doesn't make their time a waste of time. Doesn't mean they should forfeit before they begin. 29 teams lose every season. It's the journey, start to enjoy that a little.

[thonnisbeastley]

Gj removing that Middleton part. Middleton will do far less without Giannis than he does with Giannis. If Giannis leaves, Middleton should be traded to the first sucker willing to give up a young prospect/picks for him. No point keeping an overpaid fringe all-star around with zero draft picks, only to fight for the 8th seed like our team has been doing for the last 20 years.

I only removed it because I went too long in tooth already. The contract Bucks gave Middleton is the real issue. He actually can do more when he's not watching Giannis. We saw more proof of that just recently. A team full of fringe allstar players can win it all. But I agree him being overpaid hurts that plan a little.

We did? Because in Game 5 without Giannis, Khris went 8-25, 2-9 from 3, with 6 TO, and he fouled out. Jimmy Butler is not a fringe all-star. He is worth his max contract.

[Jedzz]

Jimmy Butler is not a fringe all-star. He is worth his max contract.

ugh. Trade Giannis for Butler then and go sleep well at night. You will dream softly knowing you can build another finals team off him. That's the point. If your team is willing to aggressively put a team together the right way it doesn't need the best player of the league to get there. They don't have to pay a player 220 million and bend to his every whim. Imagine finding one for 140 and how much having an extra 80 million for others makes it easier.

Butler reached a level of respect he's fought for all this time only after passing 30 years old. We can sit here with you claiming he's worth his max now. But around three years back everyone on the planet was arguing with me when they would say Wiggins deserved a max and to be built around and Butler should take a third wheel 4 year deal "overpay" and just be happy about it. It only takes a couple years for everyone to see the light. Now I'm on the other end describing Butler as a fringe allstar in comparison to some others and you want to take a simple max contract stance I've already fought for years to see him get. priceless, but I love to see it.