Current roster

LaSheed · Post #221 » by **LaSheed** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:04 am

Piston Pete wrote:That’s the issue though.

Getting worse, fine.

But you can do that without giving 5-6 picks away and hard-capping the team for 2 years.

We can purchase 2nd rounders anytime. Even picks in the 30's. Weren't less than 10 2nd rounders still held by the original team or something like that?

Not worried about it at all.

Based off of our transactions there's a major difference in what fans thought our assets were worth and what other front offices thought they were worth.

I was wrong about it as well. Im just thrilled with the direction we are heading in.

440BB · Post #222 » by **440BB** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:26 am

Based on this article, Kennard's knees were why the Clippers got those second round picks. If Kennard ends up with chronic knee problems the Clippers end up with something more than a one year rental of a unavailable player.
https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-news-the-reason-la-got-4-2nd-round-picks-from-pistons-in-luke-kennard-trade/

I hope Kennard has good health and earns a good contract going forward, but that uncertainty made this trade what it is. I'm glad we don't have that uncertainty on our roster or the choice of a risky contract versus letting him walk for nothing at season's end.

Kilo · Post #223 » by **Kilo** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:46 am

440BB wrote:Based on this article, Kennard's knees were why the Clippers got those second round picks. If Kennard ends up with chronic knee problems the Clippers end up with something more than a one year rental of a unavailable player.
https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-news-the-reason-la-got-4-2nd-round-picks-from-pistons-in-luke-kennard-trade/

I hope Kennard has good health and earns a good contract going forward, but that uncertainty made this trade what it is. I'm glad we don't have that uncertainty on our roster or the choice of a risky contract versus letting him walk for nothing at season's end.

And what if his knees are not a problem? Make the picks conditional or something.

Kilo · Post #224 » by **Kilo** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:52 am

vege wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:To be fair, the pick we threw in with Houston was a 1st rounder.

Despite the protections on it, we will be sending them our 1st rounder in 2026 or 2027.

That trade was just atrocious. Not only did they get the better player (Wood), they’ll get a 1st rounder on top of it.

Wood / 1st
For
Stewart / Wright

Wood agreed to sign with Houston outright. S&T was worked out afterwards for Houston's cap benefit - Detroit got a future SRP and stronger protections to do the S&T. If they balked at it, Wood would still be in Houston.

We also sent them a 2nd for cash in the original trade. This trade was a joke, I've been saying it since it happened and I was loled by people here for saying it. I'm glad more people can see how bad that trade was, the other trades we did were also brutal for us.

Yeah, 4.6M for the Los Angeles Lakers 2021 Second Rounder - bad deal!!!1!

BIG BEN'S FRO · Post #225 » by **BIG BEN'S FRO** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:52 pm

Can’t say I am a fan of all the moves, but here is my take home.

1. We are going to lose big in what should be one of the most talented drafts in recent memory. And I only have to watch it for 72 games instead.

2. None of these deals are crippling. No Blake’s, Ben Gordon/Charlie V’s, etc in this deal. Contracts are shorter and salaries have increased a ton since then. I don’t look at one of these deals and think we are screwed for 5 years from them.

3. Yes we are going to be bad for awhile. Protections on the pick are good.

4. I don’t care so much on 2RP being used as currency.

vege · Post #226 » by **vege** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:12 pm

Kilo wrote:
vege wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Wood agreed to sign with Houston outright. S&T was worked out afterwards for Houston's cap benefit - Detroit got a future SRP and stronger protections to do the S&T. If they balked at it, Wood would still be in Houston.

We also sent them a 2nd for cash in the original trade. This trade was a joke, I've been saying it since it happened and I was loled by people here for saying it. I'm glad more people can see how bad that trade was, the other trades we did were also brutal for us.

Yeah, 4.6M for the Los Angeles Lakers 2021 Second Rounder - bad deal!!!1!

For Gores it's great, for you and me? It's a bad asset for nothing. But if you're going to include the 2nd we got in the deal, also include the 2nd we lost.

Kilo · Post #227 » by **Kilo** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:32 pm

I grow more worried every day Brandon Knight doesn't sign somewhere.

HarleyB · Post #228 » by **HarleyB** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:39 pm

I've always thought the Detroit Pistons should be the Pittsburgh Steelers of the NBA; known for always having a top defense. That's always been the franchises calling card. Defense so good the league has to change the rules. I'm tired of watching the Etroit Pistons (no "D") of the past 10-12 years.

Seems to me that Weaver is trying to recreate a culture of gritty defensive mentality and balanced scoring. That's what I think he means by a "restore". That's why he gave out the big bucks to Grant and Plumlee, to lay the foundation.

I understand some of the posters doubt. I really enjoyed watching Christian Woods play ball and was disappointed to see him go as much as anyone. But I'm willing to see what happens, rather than calling for Weaver to be run out of town.

More than anything, I'm just ready to watch the Pistons play ball. It's been a long-ass time.

Canadafan · Post #229 » by **Canadafan** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:45 pm

HarleyB wrote:I've always thought the Detroit Pistons should be the Pittsburgh Steelers of the NBA; known for always having a top defense. That's always been the franchises calling card. Defense so good the league has to change the rules. I'm tired of watching the Etroit Pistons (no "D") of the past 10-12 years.

Seems to me that Weaver is trying to recreate a culture of gritty defensive mentality and balanced scoring. That's what I think he means by a "restore". That's why he gave out the big bucks to Grant and Plumlee, to lay the foundation.

I understand some of the posters doubt. I really enjoyed watching Christian Woods play ball and was disappointed to see him go as much as anyone. But I'm willing to see what happens, rather than calling for Weaver to be run out of town.

More than anything, I'm just ready to watch the Pistons play ball. It's been a long-ass time.

Im feeling it
I know some have said in this new era you cant win with defense, but I want us to prove that theory wrong.
I like what you're saying. Plumlee....Stewart....Grant. All your typical piston type player.
Jackson? Hayes? Bey? Sekou?
I like where we're headed.

Pharaoh · Post #230 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:26 pm

Don't think we're trying to win with defense though. Think it's more about changing the identity and culture here.

We've chased that last playoff spot for so long that the expectation is we're dumb af, want to be mediocre by any means necessary and squeak in.

That's no longer the case!

We're young af, long af, brought in a lot of dudes that are apparently "high character" guys but also talented workers.

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Post #231 » by **Cowology** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:00 am

Kilo wrote:I grow more worried every day Brandon Knight doesn't sign somewhere.

I'm kinda missing the glory days of the Brandon Knight era right about now.

Kilo · Post #232 » by **Kilo** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:09 am

Cowology wrote:
Kilo wrote:I grow more worried every day Brandon Knight doesn't sign somewhere.
I'm kinda missing the glory days of the Brandon Knight era right about now.

He put up empty numbers for us in his stint here at the end of last season. He was basically traded for because Tellum was his former agent and was getting him PT to earn his next contract. Kid is only 28 yrs old as crazy as that sounds.

Piston Pete · Post #233 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:13 am

Knight should go to the Lakers. He could just spot up from behind 3 while LeBron does his thing.

psimanic1 · Post #234 » by **psimanic1** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:32 am

You guys think Musa could get more minutes than he did in BKN?

vege · Post #235 » by **vege** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:12 pm

psimanic1 wrote:You guys think Musa could get more minutes than he did in BKN?

Nope. He should be a 3rd stringer behind Ellington and Svi.

Kilo · Post #236 » by **Kilo** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:07 pm

vege wrote:
psimanic1 wrote:You guys think Musa could get more minutes than he did in BKN?

Nope. He should be a 3rd stringer behind Ellington and Svi.

And Jackson and Wright at 2-guard, and behind Grant, Sekou and Bey at SF.

He's not going to play here, unless in G-League.

I think Jackson will start here though, with Svi and Ellington backing him up. But he'll be on a short leash so Detroit needs the depth behind him. If not start at least a near equal time share and in the rotation.

440BB · Post #237 » by **440BB** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:43 pm

psimanic1 wrote:You guys think Musa could get more minutes than he did in BKN?

I highly doubt Musa will match last season, about 40 games, 12 min/game. We have a lot of wings to play and evaluate. That said, between trades and injury he may get some regular time, especially after the trade deadline. With a cheap team option next year I expect they'll want to see how well he fits.

BJK1 · Post #238 » by **BJK1** » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:51 am

Read on Twitter

Gotta love the offseason, when everyone gains 15 lbs of muscle and have developed their 3 pt shots. :lol:

vege · Post #239 » by **vege** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 12:52 am

We have 16 guaranteed contracts. Did the roster size increased to 16? Or are we going to cut someone? Sirvydis contract has 2 years fully guaranteed so I don't think he's going to get cut. Ellington is 1 year for the minimum, but why would we sign him to cut him? Okafor is the other minimum salary but he has 2 years fully guaranteed contract as well.

Kilo · Post #240 » by **Kilo** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 1:03 am

vege wrote:We have 16 guaranteed contracts. Did the roster size increased to 16? Or are we going to cut someone? Sirvydis contract has 2 years fully guaranteed so I don't think he's going to get cut. Ellington is 1 year for the minimum, but why would we sign him to cut him? Okafor is the other minimum salary but he has 2 years fully guaranteed contract as well.

McGruder or Musa is out more than likely.

(Or both and Pistons sign somebody else to vet minimum deal)