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Pointgod wrote:This corrupt **** can’t get away with this. This is why I want Adam Schiff as AG. Biden needs a pit bull that’s going to investigate the hell out of Trump’s criminal enterprise and isn’t afraid to take the heat from Republicans, the media etc.
Clyde_Style wrote:Pointgod wrote:This corrupt **** can’t get away with this. This is why I want Adam Schiff as AG. Biden needs a pit bull that’s going to investigate the hell out of Trump’s criminal enterprise and isn’t afraid to take the heat from Republicans, the media etc.
I doubt Judge Sullivan will let it go. Watch for him to call for a hearing on the legitimacy of this pardon and for the possible setting of new precedents on presidential pardons. I don't think Flynn is getting away from Sullivan.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:Pointgod wrote:This corrupt **** can’t get away with this. This is why I want Adam Schiff as AG. Biden needs a pit bull that’s going to investigate the hell out of Trump’s criminal enterprise and isn’t afraid to take the heat from Republicans, the media etc.
I doubt Judge Sullivan will let it go. Watch for him to call for a hearing on the legitimacy of this pardon and for the possible setting of new precedents on presidential pardons. I don't think Flynn is getting away from Sullivan.
Flynn would still have to testify before a grand jury or any court/hearing if he was subpoenaed. He losses all of his 5th amendment privileges as a result of being pardoned.
Clyde_Style wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
I doubt Judge Sullivan will let it go. Watch for him to call for a hearing on the legitimacy of this pardon and for the possible setting of new precedents on presidential pardons. I don't think Flynn is getting away from Sullivan.
Flynn would still have to testify before a grand jury or any court/hearing if he was subpoenaed. He losses all of his 5th amendment privileges as a result of being pardoned.
Right, that's understood. It doesn't really shield Trump from the testimony of pardoned criminals.
But I'm saying Sullivan may still find ways to overturn the pardon. After all, he nullified Barr's attempt to NOT sentence Flynn for crimes already on the books by holding hearings. I think we may see the same again.
One way or another, Trump's crime pardon spree will likely backfire. And executive immunity will be challenged in the courts if Trump tries to self-pardon.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Oscirus wrote:Until such time as we get the clowns in power in the democratic senate out of power, the republicans will continue to steamroll us and we'll continue getting **** like this. Dont let Trumps incompetence in the court distract from the real up coming dangers
HarthorneWingo wrote:Oscirus wrote:Until such time as we get the clowns in power in the democratic senate out of power, the republicans will continue to steamroll us and we'll continue getting **** like this. Dont let Trumps incompetence in the court distract from the real up coming dangers
Oh, haven't you seen? Chuck "Karl Marx" Schumer is now a communist. He wants to legalize weed and is calling for Biden to wipe out $50,000 of student debt across the board. The reason: we're having a strong progressive movement here in NY and Schumer is afraid of getting primaried by AOC.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Oscirus wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Oscirus wrote:Until such time as we get the clowns in power in the democratic senate out of power, the republicans will continue to steamroll us and we'll continue getting **** like this. Dont let Trumps incompetence in the court distract from the real up coming dangers
Oh, haven't you seen? Chuck "Karl Marx" Schumer is now a communist. He wants to legalize weed and is calling for Biden to wipe out $50,000 of student debt across the board. The reason: we're having a strong progressive movement here in NY and Schumer is afraid of getting primaried by AOC.
I saw. Hopefully this **** dont stop her. I believe the only person she targeted that she missed so far was hakeem whats his face and thats only cuz he's in tight with his community. Time to start targeting the big dogs.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
Flynn would still have to testify before a grand jury or any court/hearing if he was subpoenaed. He losses all of his 5th amendment privileges as a result of being pardoned.
Right, that's understood. It doesn't really shield Trump from the testimony of pardoned criminals.
But I'm saying Sullivan may still find ways to overturn the pardon. After all, he nullified Barr's attempt to NOT sentence Flynn for crimes already on the books by holding hearings. I think we may see the same again.
One way or another, Trump's crime pardon spree will likely backfire. And executive immunity will be challenged in the courts if Trump tries to self-pardon.
Yeah, I don't know much on overturning pardons. I'll have to bone up on that. I mean, I don't know that there's any case law on it. The first question is who has jurisdiction over pardons, the courts or Congress?
Clyde_Style wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Right, that's understood. It doesn't really shield Trump from the testimony of pardoned criminals.
But I'm saying Sullivan may still find ways to overturn the pardon. After all, he nullified Barr's attempt to NOT sentence Flynn for crimes already on the books by holding hearings. I think we may see the same again.
One way or another, Trump's crime pardon spree will likely backfire. And executive immunity will be challenged in the courts if Trump tries to self-pardon.
Yeah, I don't know much on overturning pardons. I'll have to bone up on that. I mean, I don't know that there's any case law on it. The first question is who has jurisdiction over pardons, the courts or Congress?
I'd say it is mostly uncharted waters, but the lack of precedent is why I find random comments that somebody is going to get away with murder because of their pardoning powers to be completely unsubstantiated because to date Presidents have pardoned people assumed to be criminals, but not their co-conspirators.
And that becomes a potential chicken or egg conundrum, i.e. proving conspiracy to commit crimes mutually between pardoner and pardonee.
So I could potentially see a somewhat drawn out process of federal investigators within the DoJ first ascertaining certain crimes like treason or espionage and nailing down the concrete proof of BOTH parties before setting down the path of court challenges to pardons of co-conspirators. That could take a year or more.
That said, someone like Sullivan may simply kickstart that process with Flynn whom he has been tussling with for a long time now. Remember, that crazy lady Sideny Powell represented Flynn and took him down the path of purgatory by rescinding his prior plea deal and engaging in conspiratorial fantasies that royally pissed off Sullivan.
Then Barr tried to withdraw the charges against Flynn and Sullivan shut that garbage down only to be made a fool of now by Trump with the pardon. So he's pissed and I doubt he'll let it go after successfuly shutting down every fraudulent action so far.
Remember also that Sullivan basically called Flynn a traitor. There's blood in the water here. Flynn's connection to Putin was real and Trump is afraid of it coming to light in full. Flynn doesn't seem to want to do jail time so if Sullivan does get the pardon nullified it will send the Trump crime syndicate into a frenzy of fear and retribution and every man for himself. At that point Flynn would need to spill it or do major time.
HarthorneWingo wrote:CNN is no better than Fox News and the establishment Democrats no better than the republicans after this stunt. If we had open primaries here in NY, I would leave the Democratic Party.
robillionaire wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:CNN is no better than Fox News and the establishment Democrats no better than the republicans after this stunt. If we had open primaries here in NY, I would leave the Democratic Party.
i dunno sometimes technical difficulties happen, seems like they'd have never invited him on to begin with if they didn't want him to slap them down
Jethrobodine123 wrote:
It’s very obvious that Haley, Rubio, Cruz and Pompeo are going to go full out Trumpian to attempt to secure his base. It’s truly disgusting because they are generally intelligent individuals but will forgo any decency, any pride, any sense of shame that they “may” have had in the past to secure the Republican nomination. It reveals a lot about them and how easily they will sell their souls for power. I don’t know if it will work in the end because the thing is, going that route, there can’t be any bottom, no line that you will not cross. Are they willing to go that far down a rabbit hole? It won’t be pretty and they better realize it now or forever hold their peace. Again, it’s obvious the choice they’ve made but good luck with that decision, you're going to need it.
Jethro
