How Come Buford and Gregg Popovich Get a Pass for Blowing the Kawhi Leonard Trade?

[levon]

Keldon Johnson is better than Lonzo Ball? Huh?

[DoctorX]

youre right empty stats Derozan who probably leaves at end of this season n Potel is better, can argue that

Yes I'm very happy with Derozan leaving after this year.

the best asset in the Leonard trade and youre happy cause hes leaving

Yes I'am. To be truthful I didn't want to trade Kawhi in the first place. I preferred him to just walk after his Spurs contract was over. I felt the Spurs should have just gotten the most out of him the final year and then go into rebuilding mold. Make Kawhi at least earn his contract. You are never going to get equal value for a player like Kawhi. Kawhi is a top 3 player and historically there has never been a trade in NBA history where you trade a top 3-5 player and get equal value in return.

[G R E Y]

i have no beef with what you accepted....you might have liked better than but it certainly not working out like you would've thought....everyone got what they wanted, tor got a chip, Leonard got another chip n still ended up in la, lakers got Ad n a chip, Spurs ends up with Potel for 3 more yrs

But in order to take a jibe at the Spurs you're ignoring what we DID get -- WHAT WE ASKED FOR, which is NOT what LAL offered.

It's DD's vet presence - sorely needed, DD's scoring - also needed, DD'c cap space coming up - as we have planned, plus Jakob who fits a C need and D need, and Keldon Johnson - also a need. So in your list of everyone got what they wanted, you ignore us to take a shot when we would rather what we have than what LAL offered - BI at now max taking up cap space without adding meaningful win margins, Ball and Hart - no need for them, and Deng's contract - self-expanatory. We are far better off with the deal we made.

jakob is a career backup, i cant argue the all star part with DD but if did your execs not watch any of DD playoffs? if they did they certainly ignored his short comimgs

DD - All AStar, scoring, cap space (and perhaps whatever we may get back in a potential S&T, but if not cap space is great); Jakob will be starting if not this year than next - we will work around him as we did in the bubble (do yourself a favour and look up his on/off D stats); Keldon Johnson - remember that name, he will be better than Ball and Hart. It's about that entire package.

[G R E Y]

ingram is better than anything spurs got from TOR in that trade

Yes the spurs could have had a younger empty stat player in Ingram over the older empty stat player in Derozan. AT the end of the day I'am never going to lose sleep about not getting Ingram. He will never be a top 5 player in this league and thus not worth caring about since Kawhi is a top 5 player arguably top 3 when he wants to play.

Gotta better chance of being a top 5 player than what the spurs got. Guy had a great season for a 22 year old.

And led NOP to a worse record than what the Spurs ended up with. Yikes.

[DoctorX]

Gotta better chance of being a top 5 player than what the spurs got. Guy had a great season for a 22 year old.

He will never be a top 5 player. If he was the Lakers would not have traded him for Davis.

Makes no sense. You wouldn’t trade a guy with too 5 potential for a guy who is top 5 now with lebron James on your team?

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram for DD and Poelt. But AD or Kawhi is a no brainer

Ingram does not have top 5 potential. He will never be a top 5 player in this league.

[NoZoLakers]

But in order to take a jibe at the Spurs you're ignoring what we DID get -- WHAT WE ASKED FOR, which is NOT what LAL offered.

It's DD's vet presence - sorely needed, DD's scoring - also needed, DD'c cap space coming up - as we have planned, plus Jakob who fits a C need and D need, and Keldon Johnson - also a need. So in your list of everyone got what they wanted, you ignore us to take a shot when we would rather what we have than what LAL offered - BI at now max taking up cap space without adding meaningful win margins, Ball and Hart - no need for them, and Deng's contract - self-expanatory. We are far better off with the deal we made.

jakob is a career backup, i cant argue the all star part with DD but if did your execs not watch any of DD playoffs? if they did they certainly ignored his short comimgs

DD - All AStar, scoring, cap space (and perhaps whatever we may get back in a potential S&T, but if not cap space is great); Jakob will be starting if not this year than next - we will work around him as we did in the bubble (do yourself a favour and look up his on/off D stats); Keldon Johnson - remember that name, he will be better than Ball and Hart. It's about that entire package.

Jakob starting as spurs doesnt mean much considering his "competition" on the team...we will just have to wait n see the dd situation n how Johnson ends up like before its finalized but as of now, it is still a poor return to me irregardless of what lakers or clippers offers may or may not have been

[DoctorX]

Keldon Johnson is better than Lonzo Ball? Huh?

The Spurs have two players better than Ball in Dejounte Murray and Derrick White who happen to play the same position as Ball. So why would they need Lonzo?

[DoctorX]

Basically this thread is Laker fans screaming "You should have given us Kawhi because we could have then had a super team of Kawhi-Lebron-Davis." What an incredibly spoiled fan base. Even after they win they are still not satisfied.

[levon]

Keldon Johnson is better than Lonzo Ball? Huh?

The Spurs have two players better than Ball in Dejounte Murray and Derrick White who happen to play the same position as Ball. So why would they need Lonzo?

Was the Kawhi trade the last one allowed for the Spurs or something? You don't think you could get Lou + the 4 2nd rounders from the Clippers right now for him? Former 2nd pick that gives you 10 7 7, can play next to PGs, was top 5 in DRPM among guards on the Lakers, shot 37% from 3 last year? I feel like I'm being trolled.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Yes the spurs could have had a younger empty stat player in Ingram over the older empty stat player in Derozan. AT the end of the day I'am never going to lose sleep about not getting Ingram. He will never be a top 5 player in this league and thus not worth caring about since Kawhi is a top 5 player arguably top 3 when he wants to play.

Gotta better chance of being a top 5 player than what the spurs got. Guy had a great season for a 22 year old.

And led NOP to a worse record than what the Spurs ended up with. Yikes.

Sure. Good observation if we ignore context like teammates health , young team vs old team and coaching.

Them 2 more games the spurs won than the pelicans really means a lot.

[levon]

Basically this thread is Laker fans screaming "You should have given us Kawhi because we could have then had a super team of Kawhi-Lebron-Davis." What an incredibly spoiled fan base. Even after they win they are still not satisfied.

Yeah if you act intentionally dense, you arrive at conclusions like these.

[DoctorX]

Keldon Johnson is better than Lonzo Ball? Huh?

The Spurs have two players better than Ball in Dejounte Murray and Derrick White who happen to play the same position as Ball. So why would they need Lonzo?

Was the Kawhi trade the last one allowed for the Spurs or something? You don't think you could get Lou + the 4 2nd rounders from the Clippers right now for him? Former 2nd pick that gives you 10 7 7, can play next to PGs, was top 5 in DRPM among guards on the Lakers, shot 37% from 3 last year? I feel like I'm being trolled.

I don't see Ball being better than Dejounte/White if you compare their stats. All 3 or on the same level. Ball is big time bust for a number 2 pick.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

He will never be a top 5 player. If he was the Lakers would not have traded him for Davis.

Makes no sense. You wouldn’t trade a guy with too 5 potential for a guy who is top 5 now with lebron James on your team?

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram for DD and Poelt. But AD or Kawhi is a no brainer

Ingram does not have top 5 potential. He will never be a top 5 player in this league.

Like i said originally.

Gotta better chance of being a top 5 player than what the spurs got. Guy had a great season for a 22 year old.

[DoctorX]

Basically this thread is Laker fans screaming "You should have given us Kawhi because we could have then had a super team of Kawhi-Lebron-Davis." What an incredibly spoiled fan base. Even after they win they are still not satisfied.

Yeah if you act intentionally dense, you arrive at conclusions like these.

Yeah I do arrive at that conclusion because it's only your fanbase that continues to bring up how the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI. It's only the Laker fan base that complains about the Spurs not trading Kawhi for BI. I don't see anybody else in other threads screaming the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI other than Laker fans.

[DoctorX]

Makes no sense. You wouldn’t trade a guy with too 5 potential for a guy who is top 5 now with lebron James on your team?

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram for DD and Poelt. But AD or Kawhi is a no brainer

Ingram does not have top 5 potential. He will never be a top 5 player in this league.

Like i said originally.

Gotta better chance of being a top 5 player than what the spurs got. Guy had a great season for a 22 year old.

I gotta great chance of being a millionaire in a few years if I make the right investments.

[Leslie Forman]

Because the media loves sucking off the Spurs. They are everything that is good and holy about sports.

If it wasn't for miraculously winning the lottery two years where there was a clear and obvious stud at #1, there probably wouldn't be an NBA team in San Antonio right now.

If that was true the media would have sided with the Spurs over Kawhi during the Spurs-Kawhi saga. That whole entire year Kawhi sat out they were siding with Kawhi simply because they wanted him in LA. They tore up the Spurs organization from '17-'19 and praised Kawhi. The media has never loved the Spurs. They started begrudgingly giving the Spurs respect after they had won 4 titles due to the Spurs being successful.

LOL sure buddy. Yeah those Spurs are so PERSECUTED by the EVIL MEDIA!!!!

They have constantly gotten straight up Belichick-level praise about how great of an organization they are for ages.

Without Robinson and Duncan, they are just another middling, unremarkable small market franchise.

[levon]

Basically this thread is Laker fans screaming "You should have given us Kawhi because we could have then had a super team of Kawhi-Lebron-Davis." What an incredibly spoiled fan base. Even after they win they are still not satisfied.

Yeah if you act intentionally dense, you arrive at conclusions like these.

Yeah I do arrive at that conclusion because it's only your fanbase that continues to bring up how the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI. It's only the Laker fan base that complains about the Spurs not trading Kawhi for BI. I don't see anybody else in other threads screaming the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI other than Laker fans.

There are examples of folks in this thread agreeing with the OP. Like I said, it's perfectly possible to concede that it was the worse deal in hindsight while also staying firm on it being the best and/or a reasonable deal for the Spurs at the time without getting into your feelings about it, going at fanbases, or going at Brandon Ingram or Ball, neither of whom are Lakers right now.

[DoctorX]

Because the media loves sucking off the Spurs. They are everything that is good and holy about sports.

If it wasn't for miraculously winning the lottery two years where there was a clear and obvious stud at #1, there probably wouldn't be an NBA team in San Antonio right now.

If that was true the media would have sided with the Spurs over Kawhi during the Spurs-Kawhi saga. That whole entire year Kawhi sat out they were siding with Kawhi simply because they wanted him in LA. They tore up the Spurs organization from '17-'19 and praised Kawhi. The media has never loved the Spurs. They started begrudgingly giving the Spurs respect after they had won 4 titles due to the Spurs being successful.

LOL sure buddy. Yeah those Spurs are so PERSECUTED by the EVIL MEDIA!!!!

They have constantly gotten straight up Belichick-level praise about how great of an organization they are for ages.

Without Robinson and Duncan, they are just another middling, unremarkable small market franchise.

You are probably some 20 year old kid that has no memory of when the Spurs were getting bashed during the late 90's and early '00s. The first time the Spurs won their title it was labeled an asterisk by national media. After the '03 title there was a headline on Sporting News covering labeling the Spurs as "Accidental Champions." National media ran with that headline and labeled the '03 Spurs as fluke champions. It wasn't until the Spurs won the '07 title that the media billed them as a great franchise. Like I said before they had no choice after '07 to give them respect because the Spurs success spoke volumes.

You are absolutely right if the Spurs didn't get Robinson-Duncan they wouldn't have had any success. It's a star league and I have always argued Duncan was the reason for the Spurs 5 titles. He's so great of player that I have argued that he would won at least one title with even the worst organizations.

[DoctorX]

Yeah if you act intentionally dense, you arrive at conclusions like these.

Yeah I do arrive at that conclusion because it's only your fanbase that continues to bring up how the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI. It's only the Laker fan base that complains about the Spurs not trading Kawhi for BI. I don't see anybody else in other threads screaming the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI other than Laker fans.

There are examples of folks in this thread agreeing with the OP. Like I said, it's perfectly possible to concede that it was the worse deal in hindsight while also staying firm on it being the best and/or a reasonable deal for the Spurs at the time without getting into your feelings about it, going at fanbases, or going at Brandon Ingram or Ball, neither of whom are Lakers right now.

GTFO with your bs. Your fanbase has been in their feelings about BI. Which is real funny considering you guys were more than willing to ship him out the moment Davis wanted to be a Laker.

[levon]

Yeah I do arrive at that conclusion because it's only your fanbase that continues to bring up how the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI. It's only the Laker fan base that complains about the Spurs not trading Kawhi for BI. I don't see anybody else in other threads screaming the Spurs should have traded Kawhi for BI other than Laker fans.

There are examples of folks in this thread agreeing with the OP. Like I said, it's perfectly possible to concede that it was the worse deal in hindsight while also staying firm on it being the best and/or a reasonable deal for the Spurs at the time without getting into your feelings about it, going at fanbases, or going at Brandon Ingram or Ball, neither of whom are Lakers right now.

GTFO with your bs. Your fanbase has been in their feelings about BI. Which is real funny considering you guys were more than willing to ship him out the moment Davis wanted to be a Laker.

What are you even talking about?