Constructing the Timberwolves rotation

[Norseman79]

Best basketball player of all time. 6'7" 250 pounds of solid muscle. That is the opposite of soft. I don't consider Juancho soft in the slightest. If others disagree than they are all a holes.

Seriously if others consider Juancho soft they are just wrong not A holes. You referring to the best basketball player of all time as labia was absolutely sickening and calling him soft was incredibly ridiculous. I'm presuming you have never played against him or taken a charge from him making disgusting and idiotic comments like that.

Michael Jordan is the GOAT. Don't embarrass yourself putting James ahead of him, I would put Kobe ahead of James. Soft has nothing to do with size. Ben Wallace, Charles Oakley, Dennis Rodman, Patrick Ewing, Michael Jordan...those are examples of not soft players. James is a skilled and physically gifted basketball player, but he is soft, when teams body him hard and put him down he gets shaken and backs off. Problem is, the NBA decided they need to "protect" stars, that is also a product of today's soft culture. Not the thread for this discussion though.


As I have said, the current roster isn't good enough and is incredibly unbalanced. However, it is definitely better than what it has been.

Nobody is embarrassing themselves calling Jordan or James the GOAT. Having Kobe in your top 10 to me is very embarrassing. Calling James soft is very embarrassing.

I would agree to disagree. Even professional commentators have made that comment about James...guys like Charles Barkley. Have I played against James, no. Would I take a charge from him, no. Would I step aside and try to foul him (not cheap shot) so hard he would never want to try to go to the basket again? Absolutely. That's what is missing in the current game. Entitled, pampered, and protected players have ruined it, not even saying it's their fault that they are soft, it's just what the game has made them because they had too. Same issue that's happening to NFL, have to protect the fantasy football money makers

[TheDominator273]

I think Edwards is a perfect fit to play as our "big wing" after he adjusts to the NBA game which I'm anticipating taking at least 20-30 games.

There just aren't many teams in the league where you need two 7 footers on the floor, and Edwards is big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to guard most PFs in the league with success. Now clearly the ADs and Porzingis' of the league he would struggle to guard, but they are matchup nightmares for 95% of the league for a reason.

With Edwards being the "4" defensively even if his offensive role is more of a 2/3 that opens up room offensively for Okogie or Culver to play in a more typical stretch 4 role on offense while still guarding guards or smaller wings.

[Nick K]

I think Hernangomez is CLEARLY our starter at PF or big wing or whatever.

Then we're in trouble. He better learn how to block out and toughen up on the boards. He's so soft.

You and your unsubstantiated complaint about his deficiency that doesn't exist.

Do you ever actually watch the guy or do you just look at stats? I don't disagree with you very much but I sure do here. My complaint is wholly substantiated by the eye test. He is not a starting caliber player on any kind of a decent team.

[Rookie-Mistake]

My advice. Go for a walk. Get some fresh air. It will do you a world of good.

1-3-1

Keep digging.

I didn't mention size or insinuated size.

Round 3?

No need to try again. You're acting like a wing is a wing is a wing with no difference. One of our wings will be a Big Wing or perhaps you should call that by it's traditional name Power Forward.

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To me you did insinuate it. You were insulting everybody who was talking about who will play the PF. To me that implied we wouldn't be putting a PF on the court.

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[KGdaBom]

i want to make a general apology. It's my nature to post a bit aggressively, but today in particular I've taken that too far. For anyone who was offended I need to apologize and I do so.

[KGdaBom]

My advice. Go for a walk. Get some fresh air. It will do you a world of good.

1-3-1

Keep digging.

I didn't mention size or insinuated size.

Round 3?

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To me you did insinuate it. You were insulting everybody who was talking about who will play the PF. To me that implied we wouldn't be putting a PF on the court.

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1-3-1 doesn't mean much. We still play a smaller wing a medium wing and a big wing.

[KGdaBom]

Then we're in trouble. He better learn how to block out and toughen up on the boards. He's so soft.

You and your unsubstantiated complaint about his deficiency that doesn't exist.

Do you ever actually watch the guy or do you just look at stats? I don't disagree with you very much but I sure do here. My complaint is wholly substantiated by the eye test. He is not a starting caliber player on any kind of a decent team.

I'm not saying we couldn't do better. I am saying he is far from sucking.
For any advantage his opponents have on him he has an advantage against them. I'm not on board the Juancho sucks express.

[KGdaBom]

I think Edwards is a perfect fit to play as our "big wing" after he adjusts to the NBA game which I'm anticipating taking at least 20-30 games.

There just aren't many teams in the league where you need two 7 footers on the floor, and Edwards is big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to guard most PFs in the league with success. Now clearly the ADs and Porzingis' of the league he would struggle to guard, but they are matchup nightmares for 95% of the league for a reason.

With Edwards being the "4" defensively even if his offensive role is more of a 2/3 that opens up room offensively for Okogie or Culver to play in a more typical stretch 4 role on offense while still guarding guards or smaller wings.

I like him having the physical dominance at SG and SF. I don't want to push him to his absolute limit physically guarding PFs or Big Wings.

[KGdaBom]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT. Don't embarrass yourself putting James ahead of him, I would put Kobe ahead of James. Soft has nothing to do with size. Ben Wallace, Charles Oakley, Dennis Rodman, Patrick Ewing, Michael Jordan...those are examples of not soft players. James is a skilled and physically gifted basketball player, but he is soft, when teams body him hard and put him down he gets shaken and backs off. Problem is, the NBA decided they need to "protect" stars, that is also a product of today's soft culture. Not the thread for this discussion though.


As I have said, the current roster isn't good enough and is incredibly unbalanced. However, it is definitely better than what it has been.

Nobody is embarrassing themselves calling Jordan or James the GOAT. Having Kobe in your top 10 to me is very embarrassing. Calling James soft is very embarrassing.

I would agree to disagree. Even professional commentators have made that comment about James...guys like Charles Barkley. Have I played against James, no. Would I take a charge from him, no. Would I step aside and try to foul him (not cheap shot) so hard he would never want to try to go to the basket again? Absolutely. That's what is missing in the current game. Entitled, pampered, and protected players have ruined it, not even saying it's their fault that they are soft, it's just what the game has made them because they had too. Same issue that's happening to NFL, have to protect the fantasy football money makers

We disagree. We don't need to agree to do it. I will disagree with your take on James whether we have an agreement in place or not.
You think nobody has ever tried to foul James so hard on a drive that he never drives again? They have and he doesn't give a rat's A$$ he keeps driving. Nothing soft about him. Not even the tiniest iota of softness.
By the way. How do you foul someone who's driving so hard they will never drive again, but not be a cheap shot?

[Dewey]

Bell
Vonleh
Teague
RoCo
Dieng
Crabbe
Napier
KBD
Wiggins

Don’t miss anything but RoCo as we add additions to begin 2020

Beasley
Edwards
Hernangomez
McL
DLo
Davis
Rubio

[_AIJ_]

dumbass media still has the Wolves winning 25 games. Seriously? Do you honestly believe that they will just win 25 games? ****!

[Jedzz]

Then we're in trouble. He better learn how to block out and toughen up on the boards. He's so soft.

You and your unsubstantiated complaint about his deficiency that doesn't exist.

Do you ever actually watch the guy or do you just look at stats? I don't disagree with you very much but I sure do here. My complaint is wholly substantiated by the eye test. He is not a starting caliber player on any kind of a decent team.

Because every player starting needs to be a star for you?

Lakers started Alex Caruso in the finals game 6, played 32 minutes and they totally destroyed the heat in that last game.
Undrafted nobody, +20 for the game. Did nothing wrong to hurt the team. That's all that's needed some times. Make the shots you have to make, be in the right place at all times, make the right pass, don't screw it up. Doesn't take a star starter at 5 positions to win. It takes a player that can play basketball in enough requirements of the job.

The team has a #2 and #5 at PG, #19 or #20 at SG, #6 or #1 at SF, He's a former #15 at PF, and Towns is a former #1. Do they all need to be former top5 picks before you will accept them?

[Nick K]

You and your unsubstantiated complaint about his deficiency that doesn't exist.

Do you ever actually watch the guy or do you just look at stats? I don't disagree with you very much but I sure do here. My complaint is wholly substantiated by the eye test. He is not a starting caliber player on any kind of a decent team.

I'm not saying we couldn't do better. I am saying he is far from sucking.
For any advantage his opponents have on him he has an advantage against them. I'm not on board the Juancho sucks express.

That's more than fair. I don't think he sucks either but we need more there. Hopefully he surprises me and at least attempts to block somebody out instead of just standing there looking stupid. OK, that was a bit harsh.

Let's hope he improves. No reason he can't.

That said, I'm hoping Vanderbilt blows up big time!

[Jedzz]

That said, I'm hoping Vanderbilt blows up big time!

It's pretty clear that it won't matter if Vanderbilt "blows up big time". He's still just a Gleaguer, bottom bench player to Rosas. An injury might get him some time. Hopefully he does way more than the following:

• Would you consider 3 NBA games against Clippers, Denver, GSW of over 50% 3FG, 61% FG, 100% FT, 25 assists total, 10 rebounds, only two fouls total, and averaging 19pts per game - "blowing up bigtime"?

Because Rosas and many Wolves fans believe that is maybe worthy of the last roster spot, or maybe not at all. How about games like:

• Miami of 67% 3FG, 80% FG, 75% FT(3 of 4), 5 assists, 3 steals and 13 pts in 21 minutes, +20?
  
• Boston of 100% 3FG, 43% FG, 100% FT, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 3stocks, 11pts in 13 minutes?
  
• New Orleans who has Zion, Ingram, Jrue, Favors and Lonzo, going 50% 3FG, 86% FG, 6 assists and 13 pts in 19 minutes?

I'd throw the Lakers game in too if this player wasn't inactive. Could have been something. Oh well, wins in at least the Clippers, Miami and NewOrleans matchups. 3 out of 6 (50% winning) aint bad.

People here willing to believe in Vanderbilt's chances to play much here after Rosas taking a crap on the above player even after some of that, priceless. He might be given the chance to compete for the last roster spot if he's amazing. You don't earn far above your draft status here.

[KGdaBom]

I mentioned this before, but it seems it needs mentioning again. The Wolves got a lot bigger and/or longer on draft night and when we added Davis. Rubio a very tall PG, Edwards a very large and pretty tall SG/SF, Bolmaro probably not here this year, but a 6/7" wing capable of playing PG. Jaden McDaniels is skinny but 6'10" capable of playing SF and PF. We sent Johnson out, but added the bigger Ed Davis. Spellman and Evans sent out, but they don't count as they were never going to play for us. Vanderbilt by all reports is ready for the NBA now. Layman who missed almost all of last season should be ready to go. We are a MUCH BIGGER/LONGER team now and all I hear is people acting like we have no size. Very puzzling.

[Jedzz]

I mentioned this before, but it seems it needs mentioning again. The Wolves got a lot bigger and/or longer on draft night and when we added Davis. Rubio a very tall PG, Edwards a very large and pretty tall SG/SF, Bolmaro probably not here this year, but a 6/7" wing capable of playing PG. Jaden McDaniels is skinny but 6'10" capable of playing SF and PF. We sent Johnson out, but added the bigger Ed Davis. Spellman and Evans sent out, but they don't count as they were never going to play for us. Vanderbilt by all reports is ready for the NBA now. Layman who missed almost all of last season should be ready to go. We are a MUCH BIGGER/LONGER team now and all I hear is people acting like we have no size. Very puzzling.

Layman's got decent size.
McDaniels will take another couple years to put on mass, you know it. a string bean. Still like his chances to fill out over Pokusevski.
Bolmaro isn't playing here this year, why bring him up?
Ed Davis may or may not ever play.
Vanderbilt may or may not ever play.

Edwards is a stout wing by looks. Thise is where Wolves got larger at wing. Not sure about taller.

What about losing Deing, Vonleh, Bell, Covington? Martin and Graham weren't small either?

The team didn't play those tall guys much. You expect that to change? Right now I expect Hernangomez to be all the tall forward minutes and maybe nobody else.

[KGdaBom]

I mentioned this before, but it seems it needs mentioning again. The Wolves got a lot bigger and/or longer on draft night and when we added Davis. Rubio a very tall PG, Edwards a very large and pretty tall SG/SF, Bolmaro probably not here this year, but a 6/7" wing capable of playing PG. Jaden McDaniels is skinny but 6'10" capable of playing SF and PF. We sent Johnson out, but added the bigger Ed Davis. Spellman and Evans sent out, but they don't count as they were never going to play for us. Vanderbilt by all reports is ready for the NBA now. Layman who missed almost all of last season should be ready to go. We are a MUCH BIGGER/LONGER team now and all I hear is people acting like we have no size. Very puzzling.

Layman's got decent size.
McDaniels will take another couple years to put on mass, you know it. a string bean. Still like his chances to fill out over Pokusevski.
Bolmaro isn't playing here this year, why bring him up?
Ed Davis may or may not ever play.
Vanderbilt may or may not ever play.

Edwards is a stout wing by looks. Thise is where Wolves got larger at wing. Not sure about taller.

What about losing Deing, Vonleh, Bell, Covington? Martin and Graham weren't small either?

The team didn't play those tall guys much. You expect that to change? Right now I expect Hernangomez to be all the tall forward minutes and maybe nobody else.

From the team coming into the draft we got bigger and taller. Dieng, Vonleh, Bell and Covington were not on our team coming into the draft. Davis will play without question IMO. I could be wrong, but I have that right. Vanderbilt may not play but I would bet he does. McDaniel is skinny but 6'10" with a 7 foot wingspan is LONG. I was mentioning bigger and or longer. Bolmaro may or may not play for us this year, but he will play for us barring us trading him for something else we want. He's not only tall, but he's pretty stout as well.

[Heimdal]

I didn''t get to watch Layman much, but isn't he pretty decent/good? A good fit with KAT? It wouldn't surprise me to see him starting at the 4 so Juancho gets to play with Ed Davis. But again, I might be completely wrong.

[KGdaBom]

I didn''t get to watch Layman much, but isn't he pretty decent/good? A good fit with KAT? It wouldn't surprise me to see him starting at the 4 so Juancho gets to play with Ed Davis. But again, I might be completely wrong.

Layman is ridiculously athletic. He's a swing forward. He will probably get more of his minutes at SF than PF if you believe those positions exist.

[Dan's with the Wolves]

I think the Starting/Ending lineup will be :

(Best Playmaker)
Rubio

(Three Best 3-Point Shooters not named Towns)
Russell
Beasley
Hernangomez

(Best Player)
Towns

Initial focus will be Rubio to Town to take advantage of single coverage inside with the three shooter making them pay for any attempts to double Towns.

On defense they will switch everything and substitutions will be based on foul trouble.

If no foul trouble, Russell or Rubio will be the first to rest and their minute will be staggered until the end of the game.

Edwards, Culver, Okogie, will be coming off the bench until they become one of the best 3-Point shooters not named Towns.

This seems to be consistent with the roster and Rosas/Saunders stated plan