Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[zimpy27]

So people just watched a boxing match and they think that has something to do with a back alley brawl?

[D.Brasco]

[agentofatlas]

If people still think Zion wins after watching a youtuber knockdown and KO an elite athlete in Nate Robinson THREE TIMES you must be smoking something. Fighting skills matter and Nate had zero.

Size also matters, especially if you are going to get in something closer to a real fight, rather than a boxing match with all kinds of rules making it hard to exploit your size. A creature of Zion's size would literally have to get his hands on the little guy just once and he could pick him up clean off the ground and throw him against anything he wanted. Spikie him head first into the asphalt, whatever.

Fighters aren't gods. They have to obey the laws of physics too. If they didn't, we wouldn't have weight classes.

Nate was actually smaller than his opponent. Change two things: make the fight MMA, and make Nate 6'6 290lbs or whatever, and see what happens to his opponent all those times when Nate was clenching him.

Nah, Connor probably probably maims Zion in a street brawl.

Weight matters but anybody who trains knows that a trained fighter, a world class one at that, can mitigate that.

[Spice Melange]

If people still think Zion wins after watching a youtuber knockdown and KO an elite athlete in Nate Robinson THREE TIMES you must be smoking something. Fighting skills matter and Nate had zero.

Size also matters, especially if you are going to get in something closer to a real fight, rather than a boxing match with all kinds of rules making it hard to exploit your size. A creature of Zion's size would literally have to get his hands on the little guy just once and he could pick him up clean off the ground and throw him against anything he wanted. Spikie him head first into the asphalt, whatever.

Fighters aren't gods. They have to obey the laws of physics too. If they didn't, we wouldn't have weight classes.

Nate was actually smaller than his opponent. Change two things: make the fight MMA, and make Nate 6'6 290lbs or whatever, and see what happens to his opponent all those times when Nate was clenching him.

The whole weight classes exist for a reason is so overused. Weight classes apply to professional combat athletes in professional combat sports. Not sure why you would apply it to someone like Zion whos never had to make a strict weight to play basketball.

Professional fighters usually make drastic weight cuts because theyre competing in a sport that has weight guidelines depending on the division. Hell theres guys like Paulo Costa who fight at 185lbs but claims he sometimes walks around 285. Now im not saying Conor is making that drastic of a cut, but the weight difference is a little less and theres still the fact that one is one of the worlds best combat athlete the other is a basketball player.

People make it sound so easy for Zion here to just grab a professional fighter without thinking theres consequences for a more than likely failed grab. Nevermind that Zion had to re-learn how to walk and run, hes just gonna go ahead and grab an elite striker and brown belt in brazilian jiu jitsu easy peasy.

[SF_Warriors]

If people still think Zion wins after watching a youtuber knockdown and KO an elite athlete in Nate Robinson THREE TIMES you must be smoking something. Fighting skills matter and Nate had zero.

Size also matters, especially if you are going to get in something closer to a real fight, rather than a boxing match with all kinds of rules making it hard to exploit your size. A creature of Zion's size would literally have to get his hands on the little guy just once and he could pick him up clean off the ground and throw him against anything he wanted. Spikie him head first into the asphalt, whatever.

Fighters aren't gods. They have to obey the laws of physics too. If they didn't, we wouldn't have weight classes.

Nate was actually smaller than his opponent. Change two things: make the fight MMA, and make Nate 6'6 290lbs or whatever, and see what happens to his opponent all those times when Nate was clenching him.

Size matters in hoops as well..but superior skill wins every time. We also have to consider that in mma, there are moves that are banned and for good reason..in a street fight, they are not and I am sure mcgregor is more privvy to know how to use those moves than zion, along with being vastly more skilled fighter overall.

[SF_Warriors]

Double post

[thamadkant]

Depends, if Zion tries to trade punches, Mcgregor wins... ZIon's only chance is to bull rush Mcgregor and sit on him or lay on top of him . Remember this is a back alley fight, narrow corridors and hard ground, so who ever gets taken down hard on the ground is going to be hurt bad. McGregor can dance around and just tire out Zion and then attack, but if Zion can get McGregor trapped with no where to go, he can bull rush him and take him down to ground, he's 100 pounds heavier and about several inches of width and height.

But in most cases Mcgregor should win, he knows how to dodge and when to attack

[agentofatlas]

Depends, if Zion tries to trade punches, Mcgregor wins... ZIon's only chance is to bull rush Mcgregor and sit on him or lay on top of him . Remember this is a back alley fight, narrow corridors and hard ground, so who ever gets taken down hard on the ground is going to be hurt bad. McGregor can dance around and just tire out Zion and then attack, but if Zion can get McGregor trapped with no where to go, he can bull rush him and take him down to ground, he's 100 pounds heavier and about several inches of width and height.

But in most cases Mcgregor should win, he knows how to dodge and when to attack

I actually think it's the opposite, Zion's chance is to keep the fight standing and get a lucky shot in.

Going to the ground is bad idea imo. Connor probably kills him there.

[Duke4life831]

If people still think Zion wins after watching a youtuber knockdown and KO an elite athlete in Nate Robinson THREE TIMES you must be smoking something. Fighting skills matter and Nate had zero.

Size also matters, especially if you are going to get in something closer to a real fight, rather than a boxing match with all kinds of rules making it hard to exploit your size. A creature of Zion's size would literally have to get his hands on the little guy just once and he could pick him up clean off the ground and throw him against anything he wanted. Spikie him head first into the asphalt, whatever.

Fighters aren't gods. They have to obey the laws of physics too. If they didn't, we wouldn't have weight classes.

Nate was actually smaller than his opponent. Change two things: make the fight MMA, and make Nate 6'6 290lbs or whatever, and see what happens to his opponent all those times when Nate was clenching him.

First thing first, making it MMA makes it harder for the non skilled person. There are far more ways to end a fight in MMA than there is in boxing. There is also nowhere to hide in MMA either. The only reason Nate survived to the 2nd round was because after every punch they ended up in the clinch and just hugged until the ref broke it up. In MMA striking in the clinch is allowed, there are multiple ways to attack in the clinch.

2nd I agree the laws of physics still applies. Zion would be instantly stopped by any of these kicks

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Just one of these kicks to his head, he is out. One kick to the stomach, he is crunched over in pain. One kick in the leg, he is limping and not wanting to put any pressure on it.

We have seen a lightweight (155 pounds on fight night) fighter KO a 250 pound middle linebacker in a street fight and Huerta is not on the same level of striker as Conor.

And if you think Zion could just bear rush Conor grab him, then lift him up and slam him, then you're drastically underestimating how hard it is to take these people down. First again you have to get passed his kicks and punches. Then you have to catch him before he uses his footwork to get out of the way. Conor has trained to deny takedowns for over a decade. Good luck hand fighting a trained grappler.

[AussieCeltic]

Anyone who watches boxing or MMA votes for Connor.

Anyone who doesn’t watch plus can’t appreciate the skill required for either discipline votes for Zion.

Simple

[batmana]

This is legitimately my most favorite thread in a long time and I love how it pops back from time to time.

Seriously people, for the dudes with absolutely no fight training experience, this would be the easiest thing to get through - do you have ANY idea how to defend yourself against any type of submission technique - arm-bar, leg-lock, choke, etc. I have no idea what to do if Ronda Rousey tries to put me in an arm-bar. That's how she used to end fights in the 1st round against opponents who afterwards tried to pretend they didn't really lose when in fact they had no idea what had happened. That's why a boxer or a kick-boxer getting into MMA with no additional training usually loses to a wrestler/grappler almost every single time even though the boxer/kick-boxer is a trained fighter and not some rando.

Not to mention that Conor's speed, technique and counter-striking ability are top-notch where he could win a standing fight as well, no doubt about that.

The only chance for a Zion win is a hypothetical situation where he starts the fight on top of Conor who's lying face-down on the ground. I don't know what the odds would be in that position but I would imagine Conor would still have some counters but at least it would be a heavily handicapped position where Zion could use his weight, size and presumed strength.

[chitownsalesmen]

This legitimately is the stupidest thread on RealGM of all time.

Bringing pets to the outside-NBA seems reasonable after this non-sense.

[JN61]

I think there's about a zero percent chance that McGregor wins a back alley fight with a pro athlete literally twice as heavy as him. They have weight classes in UFC for a reason.

I see your fight takes go along with the basketball takes.

[Pg81]

Depends, if Zion tries to trade punches, Mcgregor wins... ZIon's only chance is to bull rush Mcgregor and sit on him or lay on top of him . Remember this is a back alley fight, narrow corridors and hard ground, so who ever gets taken down hard on the ground is going to be hurt bad. McGregor can dance around and just tire out Zion and then attack, but if Zion can get McGregor trapped with no where to go, he can bull rush him and take him down to ground, he's 100 pounds heavier and about several inches of width and height.

But in most cases Mcgregor should win, he knows how to dodge and when to attack

Oh please such tactics were tried by better trained and heavier opponents against all time greats like Gracie and what happened? They lost:

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[NO-KG-AI]

It’s crazy that people think slams and takedowns are all about size. Bunch of guys who have never grappled for sure.

Probably the same people that were like “jiu jitsu? Just punch them in the face when they grab you.”


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[Zeitgeister]

Zion Williamson would have to cut weight to fight in the heavyweight division, do people realize this? You give Zion a few months of training and he runs through the heavyweight division. You give him two weeks of training to fight the featherweight Conor and he snaps him like a twig, rag dolls him and uses his head as a basketball.

I wish Khabib would come out of retirement and put that no talent assclown in his place once more.

[limbo]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

[agentofatlas]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

Are you saying the result would be different in a street fight? Cause Nate would have gotten his ass kicked even harder if it was a street fight.

[Galloisdaman]

Why even debate a street fight which would never happen. I'd rather debate a fight in a ring that also would never happen but would have a greater chance of happening than a street fight.

Years ago Shaq did a goofy exhibition vs Oscar De La Hoya. Decades ago people debated Wilt vs Ali.

[Galloisdaman]

If people still think Zion wins after watching a youtuber knockdown and KO an elite athlete in Nate Robinson THREE TIMES you must be smoking something. Fighting skills matter and Nate had zero.

Size also matters, especially if you are going to get in something closer to a real fight, rather than a boxing match with all kinds of rules making it hard to exploit your size. A creature of Zion's size would literally have to get his hands on the little guy just once and he could pick him up clean off the ground and throw him against anything he wanted. Spikie him head first into the asphalt, whatever.

Fighters aren't gods. They have to obey the laws of physics too. If they didn't, we wouldn't have weight classes.

Nate was actually smaller than his opponent. Change two things: make the fight MMA, and make Nate 6'6 290lbs or whatever, and see what happens to his opponent all those times when Nate was clenching him.

Roberto Duran won his first title at lightweight (132 pounds). Duran could have stood in front of Jake Paul and let Jake hit him with his 10 best shots and it would not have fazed Duran.

MMA did not always have weight classes. Many times the much smaller better fighter would win in MMA.

Fedor beat Zulu easy. Zulu was 6 foot 7 and 400 pounds.