Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[Leslie Forman]

Ronda Rousey would break both of Zion's arms before he even realized what was even happening.

[cdubbz]

Nate Robinson is a high level athlete, but the Zion vs McGregor brawl is different. Zion is MUCH bigger than McGregor and it’s not a boxing match, but a brawl.

[Speadge]

How is this still going on is completely beyond me.
Zion or any untrained big, small or whatever sized guy wouldn't stand a chance even against your local trained MMA semi-pro fighter and you're talking against one of the best in this business?
What's so hard to understand here? There's lack of speed, lack of technique, lack of every possible combatant tool, skill to defend against a pro fighter and even less to strike it back. Main difference between octagon and alley braw is that in alley braw trained guy who know what he's doing can hit you wherever he wants without ref to save you. Just run, run away like a hell, and stop dreaming.

What will be next? If Zion can swim faster in river than Phelps, because you know, river isn't pool, so, bla bla ... and in the river size matters, bla bla ... and such nonsenses?

[Galloisdaman]

Nate Robinson is a high level athlete, but the Zion vs McGregor brawl is different. Zion is MUCH bigger than McGregor and it’s not a boxing match, but a brawl.

Well for debate sake please tell me how Zion wins the fight. Does he knock Connor out on their feet or does Zion grab him and take Connor to the ground?

[rapstarter]

Nate Robinson is a high level athlete, but the Zion vs McGregor brawl is different. Zion is MUCH bigger than McGregor and it’s not a boxing match, but a brawl.

Yeah, and MMA is closer to a brawl than a boxing match, and McGregor is 100 times the fighter that Jake Paul is.

[Galloisdaman]

Nate Robinson is a high level athlete, but the Zion vs McGregor brawl is different. Zion is MUCH bigger than McGregor and it’s not a boxing match, but a brawl.

Yeah, and MMA is closer to a brawl than a boxing match, and McGregor is 100 times the fighter that Jake Paul is.

LOL Jake Paul said he wants to fight Connor. Jake must not realize Connor is not a NBA player, lol.

I think Connor should say lets do it winner take all then knock Jake out in 11 seconds.

[chitownsalesmen]

Zion Williamson would have to cut weight to fight in the heavyweight division, do people realize this? You give Zion a few months of training and he runs through the heavyweight division. You give him two weeks of training to fight the featherweight Conor and he snaps him like a twig, rag dolls him and uses his head as a basketball.

I wish Khabib would come out of retirement and put that no talent assclown in his place once more.

If you really think its that simple for giant athletic people to become MMA fighters why isn't their a massive influx of college football/basketball players and NFL/NBA wash-outs who are in the UFC? Answer its insanely difficult to make it to any top tier league in any sport.

You know how there's entire leagues of basketball players in the g-league/euro-league/other pro-leagues who are still amazingly good compared to your average guy but are no where near good enough to actually crack an NBA rotation? Same thing in MMA the UFC is like the NFL/NBA of MMA, their are dozens and dozens of lower tier fighting leagues stretching all the way down to just local gyms holding smokers where guys who have trained for a few months, and younger teens will fight in unofficial matches.

Every year there are dozens of football/basketball wash outs who are insanely big and athletic compared to your average guy who attempt to train MMA and fight, and yet very very few are able to accomplish much in the fight scene.

You are making a ton of assumptions and making blanket statements that lead me to believe you are vastly overstating your own knowledge on MMA/fighting in general and I'll be the first to admit I'm am not anywhere close to knowledgeable about MMA/fight scene however I do know people who have actually trained multiple disciplines and actually fought in both unofficial matches and or low-level competitive MMA matches and the difference between a guy who has trained multiple disciplines for literally decades and a guy who attends a few 6 weeks camps is so vast it would be like comparing the ringer at your local LA fitness to a legit nba player who mops the floor with the top 3-5 players at your gym without breaking a sweat.

Not trying to argue with you or call you out but what you saying is demonstrable false based on my admittedly very, very limited experience and knowledge of MMA/fighting.

To give you a reasonable idea of how much training Zion would need to even make it to the UFC, he would need at least 1 year-2 years of nonstop training before it would even be a wise decision for Zion to step foot in the cage against a heavy weight fighter at an entry level MMA league otherwise he's risking getting absolutely annihilated and legitimately injured by another large, extremely strong man whose been training for years in how to literally kill other large, extremely strong men with their bare hands/feet, its not something you can just walk into and do with a few months/weeks of training.

[Galloisdaman]

This isn't something totally new. Some former pro athletes have tried fighting with very limited success. Usually they are former NFL guys not NBA guys though. NBA guys are horrible fighters.

[Speadge]

To give you a reasonable idea of how much training Zion would need to even make it to the UFC, he would need at least 1 year-2 years of nonstop training before it would even be a wise decision for Zion to step foot in the cage against a heavy weight fighter at an entry level MMA league otherwise he's risking getting absolutely annihilated and legitimately injured by another large, extremely strong man whose been training for years in how to literally kill other large, extremely strong men with their bare hands/feet, its not something you can just walk into and do with a few months/weeks of training.

Exactly! That's something everyone should understand before even consider to post in this thread.

[Galloisdaman]

Obviously this would never take place but if it did Connor would just go for Zion's knee. Connor is a very smart fighter. That would be the easiest way to take Zion out. Connor has strong leg kicks. He is also pretty fast.

[limbo]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

Are you saying the result would be different in a street fight? Cause Nate would have gotten his ass kicked even harder if it was a street fight.

I'm saying it would be more unpredictable because you can do anything in a street fight, including dirty stuff. In a professional boxing match you're only allowed to throw a few variations of punches to certain areas... It's not an accurate simulation of what a street fight would be like... It's aimed to reward the guy who can punch better and block/dodge punches better... and that's where training comes in... and in this situation it was clear Jake Paul has had far more training than Robinson...

Nate Robinson is also a dwarf. Zion isn't. Zion is 6'6'' and looks like if he ate three Nate Robinsons for breakfast.

And i already said in the beginning of this thread, if i had to bet my house on a back alley brawl between Zion and Conor, i'd go with Conor, because i trust his fighting expertise and experience will come in handy in most situation. But i'm not going to sit here and pretend like Zion has absolutely zero chance. Morons think Zion would try and dance around and exchange blows with Conor like Nate and Jake Paul were doing in a professional boxing match... He obviously loses with that strategy, but if Zion can get the first jump on Conor in a crowded area where there's less space and impose his 6'6, 130 kg frame onto McGregor's **** 75 kg body... Then i believe he can seriously hurt him. And again, here's where choking, grabbing, body slamming, kicking in the nuts, kneeing someone on the ground in his head, bouncing his head off the concrete... all of this is allowed. And there's no padded gloves, mouth guards and a bouncy canvas. One good slam to the ground can be the end of a fight.

[agentofatlas]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

Are you saying the result would be different in a street fight? Cause Nate would have gotten his ass kicked even harder if it was a street fight.

I'm saying it would be more unpredictable because you can do anything in a street fight, including dirty stuff. In a professional boxing match you're only allowed to throw a few variations of punches to certain areas... It's not an accurate simulation of what a street fight would be like... It's aimed to reward the guy who can punch better and block/dodge punches better... and that's where training comes in... and in this situation it was clear Jake Paul has had far more training than Robinson...

Nate Robinson is also a dwarf. Zion isn't. Zion is 6'6'' and looks like if he ate three Nate Robinsons for breakfast.

And i already said in the beginning of this thread, if i had to bet my house on a back alley brawl between Zion and Conor, i'd go with Conor, because i trust his fighting expertise and experience will come in handy in most situation. But i'm not going to sit here and pretend like Zion has absolutely zero chance. Morons think Zion would try and dance around and exchange blows with Conor like Nate and Jake Paul were doing in a professional boxing match... He obviously loses with that strategy, but if Zion can get the first jump on Conor in a crowded area where there's less space and impose his 6'6, 130 kg frame onto McGregor's **** 75 kg body... Then i believe he can seriously hurt him. And again, here's where choking, grabbing, body slamming, kicking in the nuts, kneeing someone on the ground in his head, bouncing his head off the concrete... all of this is allowed.

Who said he has no chance? He has a one in a million lucky shot chance.

Anyways, the dirty stuff actually favors the trained fighter. Positioning is big part of combat sports. That's why they're much more dangerous in a street fight.

[brutalitops]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

Street fight Zion is dead because there isn't a ref to stop McGregor from caving in Zions head.

Again, The trained fighters have Refs in the cage to stop from serious damage and to enforce groin strikes etc. Put a street fight in and Conor breaks both of Zions arms.


Go to your local BJJ gym and challenge a bluebelt to a fight, Go to your local Muai Thai gym, find the smallest dude and challenge him to a fight, when you wake up re-assess what you know about fighting.


Weight classes are a thing because a guy who's been training since he was 14 is going to murder a guy whos also been training since he;s 14, but also has 20 kilos on him, Not because your average athlete is going to be amazingly better. You'll find most people don't even know how to stand correctly in the heat of a fight to have proper technique, let alone be able to hurt a professional fighter, Let alone a UFC level fighter, Let alone McGregor

[Zeitgeister]

Zion Williamson would have to cut weight to fight in the heavyweight division, do people realize this? You give Zion a few months of training and he runs through the heavyweight division. You give him two weeks of training to fight the featherweight Conor and he snaps him like a twig, rag dolls him and uses his head as a basketball.

I wish Khabib would come out of retirement and put that no talent assclown in his place once more.

If you really think its that simple for giant athletic people to become MMA fighters why isn't their a massive influx of college football/basketball players and NFL/NBA wash-outs who are in the UFC? Answer its insanely difficult to make it to any top tier league in any sport.

You know how there's entire leagues of basketball players in the g-league/euro-league/other pro-leagues who are still amazingly good compared to your average guy but are no where near good enough to actually crack an NBA rotation? Same thing in MMA the UFC is like the NFL/NBA of MMA, their are dozens and dozens of lower tier fighting leagues stretching all the way down to just local gyms holding smokers where guys who have trained for a few months, and younger teens will fight in unofficial matches.

Every year there are dozens of football/basketball wash outs who are insanely big and athletic compared to your average guy who attempt to train MMA and fight, and yet very very few are able to accomplish much in the fight scene.

You are making a ton of assumptions and making blanket statements that lead me to believe you are vastly overstating your own knowledge on MMA/fighting in general and I'll be the first to admit I'm am not anywhere close to knowledgeable about MMA/fight scene however I do know people who have actually trained multiple disciplines and actually fought in both unofficial matches and or low-level competitive MMA matches and the difference between a guy who has trained multiple disciplines for literally decades and a guy who attends a few 6 weeks camps is so vast it would be like comparing the ringer at your local LA fitness to a legit nba player who mops the floor with the top 3-5 players at your gym without breaking a sweat.

Not trying to argue with you or call you out but what you saying is demonstrable false based on my admittedly very, very limited experience and knowledge of MMA/fighting.

To give you a reasonable idea of how much training Zion would need to even make it to the UFC, he would need at least 1 year-2 years of nonstop training before it would even be a wise decision for Zion to step foot in the cage against a heavy weight fighter at an entry level MMA league otherwise he's risking getting absolutely annihilated and legitimately injured by another large, extremely strong man whose been training for years in how to literally kill other large, extremely strong men with their bare hands/feet, its not something you can just walk into and do with a few months/weeks of training.

There are a million reasons why NBA/NFL rejects don't want to be MMA fighters and probably none of these guys are comparable to Zion in terms of size and athletic ability. If I had to guess, most people don't want to be punched in the face for a living and MMA doesn't even pay that well unless you are a huge money draw. The heavyweight division in boxing has been hurting for decades ever since other sports came more into prominence, sports where you're not required to get hit in the face repeatedly.

I'm not talking about every person with an athletic advantage, or every person with a size advantage, I'm talking about a guy in Zion who is a historic anomaly in both areas and we're comparing this guy who belongs in a super heavyweight division to fighting a flyweight.

[Pg81]

Zion Williamson would have to cut weight to fight in the heavyweight division, do people realize this? You give Zion a few months of training and he runs through the heavyweight division. You give him two weeks of training to fight the featherweight Conor and he snaps him like a twig, rag dolls him and uses his head as a basketball.

I wish Khabib would come out of retirement and put that no talent assclown in his place once more.

[limbo]

Who said he has no chance? He has a one in a million lucky shot chance.

Anyways, the dirty stuff actually favors the trained fighter. Positioning is big part of combat sports. That's why they're much more dangerous in a street fight.

Lots of people in here...

The point of dirty stuff is that any pleb can kick someone in the nuts hard, especially if the other dude isn't expecting it... You don't need to be trained for that...

Space is a big part of combat sports. You need to be able to move, which is what any professional setting offers... What if Conor find himself backed up to a crowd of people or a wall?

Like i said... these types of fights are explosive and can go down in seconds with zero anticipation...

[limbo]

LOL @ why don't big/athletic players go into combat sports?!?

Because you need to be a moron to give up a potential NBA/NFL career and millions of dollars to pursue a professional fighting career. Most professional fighters don't make any money, they put their life/health on the line and one loss can severely impact their career...

Why would someone want to be punched in the face for a living to make no money? There's kickboxing World champions out there that make 50-100k for a fight... and they have like at most two fights per year... Vlatko Cancar gets more in a year for being a cheerleader on the bench, and he doesn't have to get punched in the face everyday and risk brain damage...

[limbo]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

Street fight Zion is dead because there isn't a ref to stop McGregor from caving in Zions head.

Again, The trained fighters have Refs in the cage to stop from serious damage and to enforce groin strikes etc. Put a street fight in and Conor breaks both of Zions arms.


Go to your local BJJ gym and challenge a bluebelt to a fight, Go to your local Muai Thai gym, find the smallest dude and challenge him to a fight, when you wake up re-assess what you know about fighting.


Weight classes are a thing because a guy who's been training since he was 14 is going to murder a guy whos also been training since he;s 14, but also has 20 kilos on him, Not because your average athlete is going to be amazingly better. You'll find most people don't even know how to stand correctly in the heat of a fight to have proper technique, let alone be able to hurt a professional fighter, Let alone a UFC level fighter, Let alone McGregor

You're arguing as if i didn't say Conor could beat up Zion...

That's not what i'm arguing... I said Zion has a shot in a street fight because there are too many variables to say that he doesn't.

All of this ''go to the gym and challenge someone', ''stand correctly'' BS postulates that both parties are ready to fight in a stable environment with plenty of space...

If you don't think a 6'6'', 285 pound professional athlete has the capacity to hurt 5', 7-5'', 165 pounds dude, i don't know what to tell you... I'm not saying 'out-fight' him... I'm just saying seriously hurt him by tackling him on the concrete or something...

[agentofatlas]

Who said he has no chance? He has a one in a million lucky shot chance.

Anyways, the dirty stuff actually favors the trained fighter. Positioning is big part of combat sports. That's why they're much more dangerous in a street fight.

Lots of people in here...

The point of dirty stuff is that any pleb can kick someone in the nuts hard, especially if the other dude isn't expecting it... You don't need to be trained for that...

Space is a big part of combat sports. You need to be able to move, which is what any professional setting offers... What if Conor find himself backed up to a crowd of people or a wall?

Like i said... these types of fights are explosive and can go down in seconds with zero anticipation...

What are you talking about dude?

Are you talking about a situation that Zion sucker punches Connor in a crowd? Sure dude, he wins that "fight". But only if his one shot actually knocks him out.

As for the "spacing" thing well sometime you actually want less space specially in grappling. If they're in a clinch situation, that probably favors the trained fighter more.

[agentofatlas]

Do people not understand the difference betweeen a professional organized boxing fight with rules/referee and a street brawl? Jesus christ...

Only morons will use the Nate v. Jake professional BOXING fight as some sort of evidence of what would happen in a street fight. Street fights are inherently unpredictable.

Street fight Zion is dead because there isn't a ref to stop McGregor from caving in Zions head.

Again, The trained fighters have Refs in the cage to stop from serious damage and to enforce groin strikes etc. Put a street fight in and Conor breaks both of Zions arms.


Go to your local BJJ gym and challenge a bluebelt to a fight, Go to your local Muai Thai gym, find the smallest dude and challenge him to a fight, when you wake up re-assess what you know about fighting.


Weight classes are a thing because a guy who's been training since he was 14 is going to murder a guy whos also been training since he;s 14, but also has 20 kilos on him, Not because your average athlete is going to be amazingly better. You'll find most people don't even know how to stand correctly in the heat of a fight to have proper technique, let alone be able to hurt a professional fighter, Let alone a UFC level fighter, Let alone McGregor

You're arguing as if i didn't say Conor could beat up Zion...

That's not what i'm arguing... I said Zion has a shot in a street fight because there are too many variables to say that he doesn't.

All of this ''go to the gym and challenge someone', ''stand correctly'' BS postulates that both parties are ready to fight in a stable environment with plenty of space...

If you don't think a 6'6'', 285 pound professional athlete has the capacity to hurt 5', 7-5'', 165 pounds dude, i don't know what to tell you... I'm not saying 'out-fight' him... I'm just saying seriously hurt him by tackling him on the concrete or something...

People are saying "go to a gym" cause it is a safe environment. So you will be able to experience what really means to fight a trained individual without getting yourself killed. But you can go ahead and sucker punch an amateur fighter in the street.