Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0

[loserX]

Not an actual update, but Smitty predicts that the Hayward matter will come to an end one way or the other soon:

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[amcoolio]

I'm not particularly enamored with Turner but he fits well with Washington and if healthy Charlotte would have as good a roster if not better than the Hawks or Magic, with plenty of young potential to grow into something better (Ball, Washington have star potential, I think Monk and Miles can turn it around, they are still really young and have improved week to week in the NBA, Martin twins have potential to be good role players for a playoff team, particularly Cody who can defend really well)

[tiderulz]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

Ainge won a championship with Perkins and big baby Davis as his Centers. Obviously he does not value Centers near as much as fans do, as his last big signing at Center was actually a PF that played Center due to lack of size at his previous team.


That being said I am not convinced that Turner should have all that value. He looked like he was finally getting things right a year ago, signs a big contract, and then regresses this last season, that is not a good sign at all. Screams that he is a contract year player, and I am not sure i would want him on my team.

yeah, with 3 Hall of Famers. he doesnt have that anymore.

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[Buzzard]

I'm not particularly enamored with Turner but he fits well with Washington and if healthy Charlotte would have as good a roster if not better than the Hawks or Magic, with plenty of young potential to grow into something better (Ball, Washington have star potential, I think Monk and Miles can turn it around, they are still really young and have improved week to week in the NBA, Martin twins have potential to be good role players for a playoff team, particularly Cody who can defend really well)

I like Hayward in Charlotte as a good fit. I like Turner as a good fit also. What is going to be interesting is how they incorporate Ball, Graham, and Rozier into this.

Graham and Rozier were slightly below average to average in efficiency. They added Ball who was horrible last season in that regard. They will be fun to watch. But until they tighten up the guard play, their opponent is going to get a lot of rebounds playing against them.

I think they need at least one highly efficient guard starting before they can start thinking 8th seed. That is just my opinion on the way the league has gone now.

[Patsfan1081]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

Turner hasn’t scored over 28points in four years so I doubt that will happen. Also if Turner was some great fit there wouldn’t have been hesitation. All we’ve heard for the past half decade has been Boston lacking rebounding and size yet another center who plays the perimeter and doesn’t rebound very well is the missing piece? I actually wanted them to make the deal, however it’s obvious(especially with all the wings Boston has) that they value players who can switch and work the pick and roll. That’s not Turner, and you also have another young center in Williams who plays very similar to him. I’m also amazed that people talk like they know 100% how every situation went down....

[Patsfan1081]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

If true, it very well may have been that Ainge was looking for a third team to take Turner for assets right then and there when most teams were getting to be pretty set on their rosters. And we don't know what he was asking for in return from any third teams. Hell, he may have been trying to trade him to a third team at a premium despite them knowing he was going to get him and a pick for a sign and trade of a guy who was leaving.

The odd part is that everyone knows Boston needs some sort of true center. That's why he went out and signed TT. Personally, I liked the signing, but it tends to fly in the face of the claims that Boston centers have to do very specific things otherwise they're useless. TT can switch, which is necessary, but he can't shoot whatsoever and is not a passer, two things we've heard over and over that Boston bigs are required to do. If Ainge doesn't value Turner, that's fine, but he does the things Boston bigs supposedly need to do. And he's not an elite player or anything, but I don't see any other avenue for Boston to get what they seem to want out of that spot.

That’s a lot of assuming.... You say Boston needs a true center but if you describe Turner that basically covers Theis’s skill set also. Theis blocks shots at a high level, he can step out and hit a three also. He doesn’t take threes at the level that Turner does but he’s better on switches. I just don’t see a significant upgrade in skill set there. At least with Thompson you’re brining in someone who gives you something different. Robert Williams is also defensively similar to Turner. Again, I think Boston should have done that deal if offered, they could have used bench help also. I don’t think Turner however was some missing piece they needed. I’d also add that vs France Pop chose playing Barnes and Brown at the five over Turner as Fournier and Gobert were having their way in the pick n roll. If Turner was such a great fit I find it hard to believe four of his USA teammates didn’t speak up in a better attempt to get him here.

[pacers33granger]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

If true, it very well may have been that Ainge was looking for a third team to take Turner for assets right then and there when most teams were getting to be pretty set on their rosters. And we don't know what he was asking for in return from any third teams. Hell, he may have been trying to trade him to a third team at a premium despite them knowing he was going to get him and a pick for a sign and trade of a guy who was leaving.

The odd part is that everyone knows Boston needs some sort of true center. That's why he went out and signed TT. Personally, I liked the signing, but it tends to fly in the face of the claims that Boston centers have to do very specific things otherwise they're useless. TT can switch, which is necessary, but he can't shoot whatsoever and is not a passer, two things we've heard over and over that Boston bigs are required to do. If Ainge doesn't value Turner, that's fine, but he does the things Boston bigs supposedly need to do. And he's not an elite player or anything, but I don't see any other avenue for Boston to get what they seem to want out of that spot.

That’s a lot of assuming.... You say Boston needs a true center but if you describe Turner that basically covers Theis’s skill set also. Theis blocks shots at a high level, he can step out and hit a three also. He doesn’t take threes at the level that Turner does but he’s better on switches. I just don’t see a significant upgrade in skill set there. At least with Thompson you’re brining in someone who gives you something different. Robert Williams is also defensively similar to Turner. Again, I think Boston should have done that deal if offered, they could have used bench help also. I don’t think Turner however was some missing piece they needed. I’d also add that vs France Pop chose playing Barnes and Brown at the five over Turner as Fournier and Gobert were having their way in the pick n roll. If Turner was such a great fit I find it hard to believe four of his USA teammates didn’t speak up in a better attempt to get him here.

We've heard constantly how a center in Boston preferably would protect the rim, be able to switch, shoot threes, pass, and set screens (I may be missing some here, but this is what I've understood generally the primary desired skillset to be). Which is why Theis has been a good fit because he does all of those at least at an ok level. Myles does all of those as well and is still young while being locked up on a flat deal for a bit longer. He's also definitely just a better player than TT besides the better fit.

Like I said, I liked the TT signing for what he can bring to the table. But he's not a great fit for what Boston supposedly wants out of its center. I'm fine with wanting something different out of your second big, but that goes against the notion that a guy has to do all or most of the above to get more than spot minutes in Boston.

And I'm really not sure why a single game from over a year ago in a different league is brought up as much as it is when talking about Myles.

[NYG]

When will the next really big move happen?

A. Before the season
B. After the season starts, but sometime well ahead of the trade deadline
C. 2021 Trade Deadline
D. 2021 NBA Draft

[kobe_vs_jordan]

When will the next really big move happen?

A. Before the season
B. After the season starts, but sometime well ahead of the trade deadline
C. 2021 Trade Deadline
D. 2021 NBA Draft

B if it doesn’t happen by the time training camp starts.

[NYG]

When will the next really big move happen?

A. Before the season
B. After the season starts, but sometime well ahead of the trade deadline
C. 2021 Trade Deadline
D. 2021 NBA Draft

B if it doesn’t happen by the time training camp starts.

I still think the Rockets have a Harden deal framework already either with Philly or Brooklyn (possibly someone random) lined up, but they refuse to pull the trigger unless Westbrook is off the team. I don't think they have a single worthwhile Westbrook offer. Maybe Randle and DSJ for Westbrook + incentive or something along those lines which Houston doesn't want to do obviously.

[zimpy27]

Giannis is back in Milwaukee.. does he sign extension today?

[Buzzard]

Giannis is back in Milwaukee.. does he sign extension today?

I think his thoughts on this Bucks off season could reside on the Bogdan deal. With is brother being friends with Bogi, he probably knows whose fault it was that the deal was leaked.

Getting Jrue was huge. I think getting Bogdan would have locked it up. If he blames anyone other than the Bucks, I think he signs the extension.

[Soulyss]

When will the next really big move happen?

A. Before the season
B. After the season starts, but sometime well ahead of the trade deadline
C. 2021 Trade Deadline
D. 2021 NBA Draft

I think it will be "C" I think teams will wait as long as possible on the current season before pushing their chips into a major trade... The only exception to that will be a Harden / Simmons trade. As soon as Simmons is offered for Harden I think that deal gets done.

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Yeah, if Miami can get Bam to commit to this kind of offer, I think you had to extend him now.

[jbk1234]

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Yeah, if Miami can get Bam to commit to this kind of offer, I think you had to extend him now.

Wouldn't the extension count against their cap space next summer?

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Yeah, if Miami can get Bam to commit to this kind of offer, I think you had to extend him now.

Wouldn't the extension count against their cap space next summer?

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Yes. But, they're getting something in exchange for tying that up now.

[zimpy27]

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Why do people hire Mitch still?

[pcbothwel]

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Yeah, if Miami can get Bam to commit to this kind of offer, I think you had to extend him now.

Wouldn't the extension count against their cap space next summer?

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Yes. But, they're getting something in exchange for tying that up now.

Ehhh, Maybe. But I think the lower cap number is an even exchange for the risk of Bam regressing or getting serious injury. So that is fair, but when you factor in the need of cap space for Miami it just seems a bit short sighted.

My quick calcs show Miami having 87M between 5 players(Jimmy, Herro, Bam, Precious, Okpala), Anderson Dead Cap (5m), Robinson/Nunn Cap hold, and 5 Min roster spots.
28M Bam salary vs 13M cap hold is 15M extra that would allow them to have almost 40M in cap space instead of 25M... thats a world of difference.