Zeitgeister wrote:chitownsalesmen wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:Zion Williamson would have to cut weight to fight in the heavyweight division, do people realize this? You give Zion a few months of training and he runs through the heavyweight division. You give him two weeks of training to fight the featherweight Conor and he snaps him like a twig, rag dolls him and uses his head as a basketball.
I wish Khabib would come out of retirement and put that no talent assclown in his place once more.
If you really think its that simple for giant athletic people to become MMA fighters why isn't their a massive influx of college football/basketball players and NFL/NBA wash-outs who are in the UFC? Answer its insanely difficult to make it to any top tier league in any sport.
You know how there's entire leagues of basketball players in the g-league/euro-league/other pro-leagues who are still amazingly good compared to your average guy but are no where near good enough to actually crack an NBA rotation? Same thing in MMA the UFC is like the NFL/NBA of MMA, their are dozens and dozens of lower tier fighting leagues stretching all the way down to just local gyms holding smokers where guys who have trained for a few months, and younger teens will fight in unofficial matches.
Every year there are dozens of football/basketball wash outs who are insanely big and athletic compared to your average guy who attempt to train MMA and fight, and yet very very few are able to accomplish much in the fight scene.
You are making a ton of assumptions and making blanket statements that lead me to believe you are vastly overstating your own knowledge on MMA/fighting in general and I'll be the first to admit I'm am not anywhere close to knowledgeable about MMA/fight scene however I do know people who have actually trained multiple disciplines and actually fought in both unofficial matches and or low-level competitive MMA matches and the difference between a guy who has trained multiple disciplines for literally decades and a guy who attends a few 6 weeks camps is so vast it would be like comparing the ringer at your local LA fitness to a legit nba player who mops the floor with the top 3-5 players at your gym without breaking a sweat.
Not trying to argue with you or call you out but what you saying is demonstrable false based on my admittedly very, very limited experience and knowledge of MMA/fighting.
To give you a reasonable idea of how much training Zion would need to even make it to the UFC, he would need at least 1 year-2 years of nonstop training before it would even be a wise decision for Zion to step foot in the cage against a heavy weight fighter at an entry level MMA league otherwise he's risking getting absolutely annihilated and legitimately injured by another large, extremely strong man whose been training for years in how to literally kill other large, extremely strong men with their bare hands/feet, its not something you can just walk into and do with a few months/weeks of training.
There are a million reasons why NBA/NFL rejects don't want to be MMA fighters and probably none of these guys are comparable to Zion in terms of size and athletic ability. If I had to guess, most people don't want to be punched in the face for a living and MMA doesn't even pay that well unless you are a huge money draw. The heavyweight division in boxing has been hurting for decades ever since other sports came more into prominence, sports where you're not required to get hit in the face repeatedly.
I'm not talking about every person with an athletic advantage, or every person with a size advantage, I'm talking about a guy in Zion who is a historic anomaly in both areas and we're comparing this guy who belongs in a super heavyweight division to fighting a flyweight.
No no no, you literally said give Zion two weeks and he'd be beating UFC champions thats not how the real world works.
Again thats like saying give LeBron two weeks and he'd be an all-pro NFL player, it doesn't work like that none of this works like that.
Yeah fighting is a very tough career path, its brutal both physically and mentally and yeah not a lot of people want to earn a living getting punched/kicked in the face, being put into submissions/holds that can break limbs, etc etc. Which is why I'm dumbfounded you think Zion can just flip a switch and all of sudden would be able to just take hits from pro or even semi-pro fighters who will land hits on Zion unless again he goes through years of expansive training to learn how to dodge hits, block his opponents strikes, avoid being submitted, etc etc.
As far as Zion specifically you honestly couldn't pick a worse example the guy yes is physically strong and athletic but those are not the only things or even the most important aspects of what makes someone a great fighter, Zion has yet to prove he's going to be able to withstand the rigors of an NBA season let alone endure what a professional fighting career would do to his body. As you yourself have stated he would have to drop his bodyfat and improve his cardio to even legitimately compete that alone is going to take months of training, so why did you in the same breath say that if Zion trained for two weeks he could beat a UFC champion which we've already established would take literally years of training to get him to a place where could even compete against significantly lower level fighters who themselves have been training on MMA/fighting for years and years.
Zion isn't the first big strong, athletic guy yeah he is uniquely talented but again he plays basketball, to the best of my knowledge he has never trained any discipline or fought at any competitive level, in saying this I'm not writing off his potential to one day become an MMA fighter I'm saying you are vastly discounting the work that actual fighters have done and are IMO out of your depth in this conversation based on a number of the statements you've made in this thread.
I'm going to repeat what I said earlier.
chitownsalesmen wrote:You are making a ton of assumptions and making blanket statements that lead me to believe you are vastly overstating your own knowledge on MMA/fighting in general and I'll be the first to admit I'm am not anywhere close to knowledgeable about MMA/fight scene however I do know people who have actually trained multiple disciplines and actually fought in both unofficial matches and or low-level competitive MMA matches and the difference between a guy who has trained multiple disciplines for literally decades and a guy who attends a few 6 weeks camps is so vast it would be like comparing the ringer at your local LA fitness to a legit nba player who mops the floor with the top 3-5 players at your gym without breaking a sweat.
Not trying to argue with you or call you out but what you saying is demonstrable false based on my admittedly very, very limited experience and knowledge of MMA/fighting.
At this point I'm again going to advise you to stop talking about MMA/fighting in such broad terms and making huge assumptions about what Zion, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt or whoever you want to name would hypothetically do in an actual fight as you have now explicitly shown multiple times you have doubled talked, saying one thing and then contradicted yourself in the next breath, again I'm not an MMA expert nor do I claim to be but I do now when someone is making something as their going and you are clearly not educated in MMA training, actual fight scenarios or how any of this works and IMO just sounding dumber and dumber with every contradictory statement you've made.
No disrespect or anything personal to you but you are flat out either trolling or totally disrespecting the work and training of actual fighters who have dedicated huge amounts of time who have left blood sweat and tears on the mat to chase their dreams as fighters and you seem to think Zion would be able to roll people after a few karate classes just because he's able to bully 180lb NBA players on a basketball court.
