Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[Prez]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

[glenn]

[Chad34]

Do we know if Giannis is back in Milwaukee yet?

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Funny thing about this tweet is Alex Lasry put the smiling devil emojis under it and then deleted it already lol. Those Lasry's just can't help themselves...

Giannis eyes don't seem like he's too happy to be back? probably just paranoid

[WRau1]

Says we failed to surround Giannis with elite shooters but then we lost 3 of 4 elite shooters we had. Weird.

We had Khris, Wes and 34y G.Hill and 39y Korver coming from the bench. Everybody else couldn't shoot or were simply unplayable. That's it.
If you think this is "surrounding Giannis with elite shooters" and we are somehow a lot better this season shooting wise to avoid the wall or taking advantage of the wide open shots its giving us then there is no point of discussing it farther.

I don't care about this argument, I just it's funny that we didn't surround him with elite shooters but at the same time we just lost 3 of the 4 elite shooters that we supposedly didn't have.

[Matches Malone]

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Funny thing about this tweet is Alex Lasry put the smiling devil emojis under it and then deleted it already lol. Those Lasry's just can't help themselves...

Giannis eyes don't seem like he's too happy to be back? probably just paranoid

Ah yes, the paranoid stage. I was just there...

[greekbuck34]

Says we failed to surround Giannis with elite shooters but then we lost 3 of 4 elite shooters we had. Weird.

We had Khris, Wes and 34y G.Hill and 39y Korver coming from the bench. Everybody else couldn't shoot or were simply unplayable. That's it.
If you think this is "surrounding Giannis with elite shooters" and we are somehow a lot better this season shooting wise to avoid the wall or taking advantage of the wide open shots its giving us then there is no point of discussing it farther.

I don't care about this argument, I just it's funny that we didn't surround him with elite shooters but at the same time we just lost 3 of the 4 elite shooters that we supposedly didn't have.

3-4 guys, 1 of them almost retired already is not surrounding come on man. Even my english are good enough to understand that.

And "elite" shooter for me is someone capable to consistently shoot and hit wide open and open 3s in a game and not something unrealistic.

[paulpressey25]

Her father ushers her away and offers you $50,000 and his old F-150 to never see his daughter again.

What do you do?

Accept Wes Edens and Jamie Dinan’s offer to buy me out.

[Bucknado]

I wouldn’t expect Giannis to do much over the next few days. That jet lag coming back from Europe is rough.

[Matches Malone]

I wouldn’t expect Giannis to do much over the next few days. That jet lag coming back from Europe is rough.

Yeah, that jet lag has got to be brutal. I'm assuming the first time we see him is December 1st for the Jersey reveal... that's if it's live. Would be cool to see the new big 3 reveal it.

[Cythaps]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

Giannis hasn't been good enough to beat a 3 to 5 player wall in the playoffs. Chances are he will never be able to, and you can't expect him to. Nobody else in the league gets defended like that. If you can't form a working scheme to take advantage of that wall (be it elte shooting, PnR or any other strategy that could work), we will never win and he'll always be "not good enough".

[mke_design]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

Giannis hasn't been good enough to beat a 3 to 5 player wall in the playoffs. Chances are he will never be able to, and you can't expect him to. Nobody else in the league gets defended like that. If you can't form a working scheme to take advantage of that wall (be it elte shooting, PnR or any other strategy that could work), we will never win and he'll always be "not good enough".

I don’t know the guy, but I think he takes this personally. Hence the “go through the wall” - he wants to do this his way.

[Daver]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

Giannis hasn't been good enough to beat a 3 to 5 player wall in the playoffs. Chances are he will never be able to, and you can't expect him to. Nobody else in the league gets defended like that. If you can't form a working scheme to take advantage of that wall (be it elte shooting, PnR or any other strategy that could work), we will never win and he'll always be "not good enough".

Chances are he will never be able to, and you can't expect him to. Nobody else in the league gets defended like that

Why is that maybe getting better at his mid range will help him beat the wall naybe some more post moves will help him beat the wall.Giannis has holes in his game and until he puts the time in needed to improve said holes .....you are correct he wont be able to beat it.

Of course no one else fets defended like that cause 95% of the guys have somewhat of a midrange game and and better post moves

[Cythaps]

Of course no one else fets defended like that cause 95% of the guys have somewhat of a midrange game and and better post moves

So, if he had a better midrange game and better post moves they wouldn't guard him that much. That makes sense.

[VooDoo7]

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Funny thing about this tweet is Alex Lasry put the smiling devil emojis under it and then deleted it already lol. Those Lasry's just can't help themselves...

Giannis eyes don't seem like he's too happy to be back? probably just paranoid

I wouldn't look too much into it. He's probably just upset that he missed the Light the Hoan Show.

[WRau1]

We had Khris, Wes and 34y G.Hill and 39y Korver coming from the bench. Everybody else couldn't shoot or were simply unplayable. That's it.
If you think this is "surrounding Giannis with elite shooters" and we are somehow a lot better this season shooting wise to avoid the wall or taking advantage of the wide open shots its giving us then there is no point of discussing it farther.

I don't care about this argument, I just it's funny that we didn't surround him with elite shooters but at the same time we just lost 3 of the 4 elite shooters that we supposedly didn't have.

3-4 guys, 1 of them almost retired already is not surrounding come on man. Even my english are good enough to understand that.

And "elite" shooter for me is someone capable to consistently shoot and hit wide open and open 3s in a game and not something unrealistic.

Then don't call them elite shooters?

[Perishable517]

Never let someone else tell you how to be a fan

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All of this.

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[paulpressey25]

regurgitated info

Yep. I'm sure he's likely to sign it, otherwise they wouldn't have made those deals. At the same time, Jackie's prime sources were Havlicek and Heinsohn.

[TD75]

Says we failed to surround Giannis with elite shooters but then we lost 3 of 4 elite shooters we had. Weird.

We had Khris, Wes and 34y G.Hill and 39y Korver coming from the bench. Everybody else couldn't shoot or were simply unplayable. That's it.
If you think this is "surrounding Giannis with elite shooters" and we are somehow a lot better this season shooting wise to avoid the wall or taking advantage of the wide open shots its giving us then there is no point of discussing it farther.

I don't care about this argument, I just it's funny that we didn't surround him with elite shooters but at the same time we just lost 3 of the 4 elite shooters that we supposedly didn't have.

Trying to say "we just lost 3 to 4 of the elite shooters" as some sort of proof of competence of the Bucks' FO is ridiculous.

Korver is out of the league
Wes is on practically a minimum contract with the Lakers
Sterling Brown is playing for who exactly?
Williams is out of the league
Bledsoe... I am not even going to comment on that
Hill was part of a trade that had him moved from the Bucks to the Pelicans initially and then to OKC. Invaluable asset for OKC's run at the championship next year.

Do you want to go to previous years as well? How about Snell?

Maybe Brogdon is the only one that left and was valued highly around the league. However, even he had a big drop off to his efficiency when he left Giannis' side.

Khris is the only elite shooter in the Bucks and is offering his services at the maximum contract.

If only Ainge or Riley or Ujiri or Pop or Nelson could do such a marvelous job around Giannis that the Bucks' FO has done. I can't even believe how embarrassed Riley would be to discuss with Giannis the opportunity of moving to Miami when he has to compare his accomplishments with those of the Bucks FO. The same stands for Ujiri or Ainge or Donnie Nelson would be equally embarrassed if they are interested in Giannis.

[Ill-yasova]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

Yes and no. He absolutely has to improve his jumper to be more effective, that’s a fact. But continuing to make him the primary ball handler at the top of the key against a three man wall doesn’t help either. In the (unfortunately very limited) plays where they put Giannis off-ball at the elbow and threw in an entry pass he could score at will because the defense didn’t have time to wall off. For some reason they only did it (successfully) a handful of time in one quarter and then never did it again. Putting Giannis off-ball at the elbow or in the post in the playoffs against the wall defense is just as important as him developing a jumper, possibly even more so.

[chonestown]

The wonderful girl who is way out of your league and actually saved you from a very dark time period in your life is coming to a special dinner you've planned in which both sets of parents are invited. She knows you're going to pop the question. You've talked about it on many occasions throughout the years. Although you have expressed your love for her, your deep seated hatred for yourself, your inferiority complex and your embarrassment about being born on the wrong side of the tracks prevents you from providing for her the way other men could.

It's a good thing for you this perfect woman loves a fixer-upper, and improbably she is always speaking of how special you are, how you are her first and only. You even let her worthless brother live below you rent-free when you really needed to fill that space with a tenant who could contribute something. Actually, you treat her entire family like your own. In your private moments you sometimes have a bit of remorse about your calculation in regards to her brothers and other concessions you've made over the years, but YOUR LOVE IS TRUE. You can't imagine living without her.

So you pop the question in front of everyone, but with tears in her eyes she says she needs more time. She kisses you tenderly and tells you not to worry, but she just needs to be sure you can provide the type of life she deserves. She finally came to the realization I'm just no good for her, you think. Guys like me just don't get girls like that.

Her father ushers her away and offers you $50,000 and his old F-150 to never see his daughter again.

What do you do?

I'd set up a new thread titled "OT: Popping the Question [Asking a Lady if Wants to Get Married (To Me)]." This thread doesn't seem like the right place for advice of that nature.imo

Since I'm here, finding a partner is like finding a good pair of pants. Hold onto each titely, yet make sure the cut is flattering. Maybe that's a beloved pair of Jordache, maybe she's a school teacher who makes everyone around feel better, yet can also sling some hash and make the boodwar a satin-lined amusement park.

Good luck. Go Buicks.