Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[trwi7]

The wonderful girl who is way out of your league and actually saved you from a very dark time period in your life is coming to a special dinner you've planned in which both sets of parents are invited. She knows you're going to pop the question. You've talked about it on many occasions throughout the years. Although you have expressed your love for her, your deep seated hatred for yourself, your inferiority complex and your embarrassment about being born on the wrong side of the tracks prevents you from providing for her the way other men could.

It's a good thing for you this perfect woman loves a fixer-upper, and improbably she is always speaking of how special you are, how you are her first and only. You even let her worthless brother live below you rent-free when you really needed to fill that space with a tenant who could contribute something. Actually, you treat her entire family like your own. In your private moments you sometimes have a bit of remorse about your calculation in regards to her brothers and other concessions you've made over the years, but YOUR LOVE IS TRUE. You can't imagine living without her.

So you pop the question in front of everyone, but with tears in her eyes she says she needs more time. She kisses you tenderly and tells you not to worry, but she just needs to be sure you can provide the type of life she deserves. She finally came to the realization I'm just no good for her, you think. Guys like me just don't get girls like that.

Her father ushers her away and offers you $50,000 and his old F-150 to never see his daughter again.

What do you do?

I say new Dodge Ram or no deal.

[Daver]

Of course no one else fets defended like that cause 95% of the guys have somewhat of a midrange game and and better post moves

So, if he had a better midrange game and better post moves they wouldn't guard him that much. That makes sense.

No im not saying that im saying if giannis could shoot better and had more moves down low that wall wouldnt be as effective you mentioned the same thing after the toronto series n again after the heat series.
Until giannis gets a more complete game ge will see that wall over n over again.
Yes the bucks needed shooters but giannis really needs to improve his overall game

[BuckFan25226]

Korver and Wes played in Mud on offense. We'll miss Wes on defense, but that's why we have Craig. Wes wasn't great from outside the arc last year anyway. Korver around the rim or dribbling at all was cringeworthy.

The difference now is Forbes, Augustin, Portis can actually move around the court and get to the rim. But are also all very good shooters.

[humanrefutation]

I could see the Bucks opting to leak this to Jackie McMullan as a **** you to Woj over the whole Bogdan thing. She is reliable.

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[fam3381]

I could see the Bucks opting to leak this to Jackie McMullan as a **** you to Woj over the whole Bogdan thing. She is reliable.

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Jackie said this on the Simmons podcast last week — like a lot of people she thinks he signs the supermax but she was also talking about what happens if he doesn’t on this podcast. So this seems to just be aggregation being confused for reported fact (which is also why no one else including her employers at ESPN are running with it).

[theFireBlanket]

I could see the Bucks opting to leak this to Jackie McMullan as a **** you to Woj over the whole Bogdan thing. She is reliable.

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Jackie said this on the Simmons podcast last week — like a lot of people she thinks he signs the supermax but she was also talking about what happens if he doesn’t on this podcast. So this seems to just be aggregation being confused for reported fact (which is also why no one else including her employers at ESPN are running with it).

She seemed more concerned with the perspective of other teams holding out hope, that he will opt to be a FA.. Referring to it as a slim , very slim chance to mortgage their future on. Early in the podcast. Then specifically talking Bucks near closing time, her statement was that it's a pretty firm deal that he'll sign from what she's heard.

[agiaco]

Korver and Wes played in Mud on offense. We'll miss Wes on defense, but that's why we have Craig. Wes wasn't great from outside the arc last year anyway. Korver around the rim or dribbling at all was cringeworthy.

The difference now is Forbes, Augustin, Portis can actually move around the court and get to the rim. But are also all very good shooters.

Besides the obvious improvement adding Jrue, the other free agent signings should make more of an impact than the guys the Bucks lost. Can't sleep on Nwora's potential impact.

[BuckFan25226]

I could see the Bucks opting to leak this to Jackie McMullan as a **** you to Woj over the whole Bogdan thing. She is reliable.

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Jackie said this on the Simmons podcast last week — like a lot of people she thinks he signs the supermax but she was also talking about what happens if he doesn’t on this podcast. So this seems to just be aggregation being confused for reported fact (which is also why no one else including her employers at ESPN are running with it).

She said that but prefaced it by saying her sources, in which she trusts have told her he is signing.

[zimpy27]

The wonderful girl who is way out of your league and actually saved you from a very dark time period in your life is coming to a special dinner you've planned in which both sets of parents are invited. She knows you're going to pop the question. You've talked about it on many occasions throughout the years. Although you have expressed your love for her, your deep seated hatred for yourself, your inferiority complex and your embarrassment about being born on the wrong side of the tracks prevents you from providing for her the way other men could.

It's a good thing for you this perfect woman loves a fixer-upper, and improbably she is always speaking of how special you are, how you are her first and only. You even let her worthless brother live below you rent-free when you really needed to fill that space with a tenant who could contribute something. Actually, you treat her entire family like your own. In your private moments you sometimes have a bit of remorse about your calculation in regards to her brothers and other concessions you've made over the years, but YOUR LOVE IS TRUE. You can't imagine living without her.

So you pop the question in front of everyone, but with tears in her eyes she says she needs more time. She kisses you tenderly and tells you not to worry, but she just needs to be sure you can provide the type of life she deserves. She finally came to the realization I'm just no good for her, you think. Guys like me just don't get girls like that.

Her father ushers her away and offers you $50,000 and his old F-150 to never see his daughter again.

What do you do?

You tell her you can give her more time but would like some level of commitment. Perhaps sign a 2 year lease.

If she even refuses that then you phone your friends and see if you can swap your girlfriend for their less attractive one.

Nice analogy.

[DutchManDanFan]

The wonderful girl who is way out of your league and actually saved you from a very dark time period in your life is coming to a special dinner you've planned in which both sets of parents are invited. She knows you're going to pop the question. You've talked about it on many occasions throughout the years. Although you have expressed your love for her, your deep seated hatred for yourself, your inferiority complex and your embarrassment about being born on the wrong side of the tracks prevents you from providing for her the way other men could.

It's a good thing for you this perfect woman loves a fixer-upper, and improbably she is always speaking of how special you are, how you are her first and only. You even let her worthless brother live below you rent-free when you really needed to fill that space with a tenant who could contribute something. Actually, you treat her entire family like your own. In your private moments you sometimes have a bit of remorse about your calculation in regards to her brothers and other concessions you've made over the years, but YOUR LOVE IS TRUE. You can't imagine living without her.

So you pop the question in front of everyone, but with tears in her eyes she says she needs more time. She kisses you tenderly and tells you not to worry, but she just needs to be sure you can provide the type of life she deserves. She finally came to the realization I'm just no good for her, you think. Guys like me just don't get girls like that.

Her father ushers her away and offers you $50,000 and his old F-150 to never see his daughter again.

What do you do?

You tell her you can give her more time but would like some level of commitment. Perhaps sign a 2 year lease.

If she even refuses that then you phone your friends and see if you can swap your girlfriend for their less attractive one.

Nice analogy.

Don't forget to ask for some 12 year olds. One of them might develop into a good looking lady.

[Iheartfootball]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

Giannis hasn't been good enough to beat a 3 to 5 player wall in the playoffs. Chances are he will never be able to, and you can't expect him to. Nobody else in the league gets defended like that. If you can't form a working scheme to take advantage of that wall (be it elte shooting, PnR or any other strategy that could work), we will never win and he'll always be "not good enough".

Giannis is relying mostly on his incredible physical ability. At this point if he wants to take his game to a level that places him in his own NBA stratosphere he has to further develop two other area of his game. There’s physical, emotional, and cognitive development. The last two by evidence of his decision making at times (ex. dribbling directly into the wall; when to take a 3 - cognitive/BBIQ) and focus (free throws - emotional/psychological) have a tremendous amount of room for growth.

While his physical ability is capped for the most part; he won’t get taller or much stronger. The good news is he can most definitely grow cognitively and emotionally with proper support.

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

[5Boroughs]

None of this stuff matters if Giannis himself continues to be an 82 game superstar. Both things can be true - that the supporting cast hasn’t been good enough, and Giannis hasn’t been good enough.

Yes and no. He absolutely has to improve his jumper to be more effective, that’s a fact. But continuing to make him the primary ball handler at the top of the key against a three man wall doesn’t help either. In the (unfortunately very limited) plays where they put Giannis off-ball at the elbow and threw in an entry pass he could score at will because the defense didn’t have time to wall off. For some reason they only did it (successfully) a handful of time in one quarter and then never did it again. Putting Giannis off-ball at the elbow or in the post in the playoffs against the wall defense is just as important as him developing a jumper, possibly even more so.

AMEN! I'm new to this board but that's what I've been preaching the last 2 years!

They really need to get Giannis down in the low block. There's no reason why he shouldn't be utilized more this way. He's so athletic and can dominate down low. He doesn't need to be bringing the ball up court every possession. It will make a huge difference on offense, it will keep the defense honest.

[humanrefutation]

I could see the Bucks opting to leak this to Jackie McMullan as a **** you to Woj over the whole Bogdan thing. She is reliable.

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Jackie said this on the Simmons podcast last week — like a lot of people she thinks he signs the supermax but she was also talking about what happens if he doesn’t on this podcast. So this seems to just be aggregation being confused for reported fact (which is also why no one else including her employers at ESPN are running with it).

Apparently, she said this on The Jump this morning with more firmness.

[Cythaps]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

[Iheartfootball]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

Of course, but it’s both. It’s the organization’s responsibility to support him and it’s also his responsibility to improve individually. The overarching point I’m attempting to make is that a holistic approach is needed to maximize Giannis’s potential which will in turn maximize the organization’s potential. It’s all connected. But to not put any responsibility on Giannis is myopic.

[Chad34]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

agree 100. no one else in the league could thrive against the defense Giannis sees. This has to fall 100 percent on the coaching staff.
I mean, when they don't challenge the defense with a different look. what is giannis supposed to do when the whole offense is built on him driving and kicking and no one can hit an open shot? answer- he has to try and break down the wall.

[Cythaps]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

Of course, but it’s both. It’s the organization’s responsibility to support him and it’s also his responsibility to improve individually. The overarching point I’m attempting to make is that a holistic approach is needed to maximize Giannis’s potential which will in turn maximize the organization’s potential. It’s all connected. But to not put any responsibility on Giannis is myopic.

Again, you're asking an almost unanimous back to back mvp to get better. He's done his part man. Anything extra he gets is just cherries on top. He's played 7 seasons with no decent point guard to work with, average -at best- shooters around him while his coaches give him the ball at the top of the key and asking him to deliver against walled defenses. And it's his responsibility to get better? I would be more than happy to get 80% of his effort going forward. I think we've been spoiled.

[zimpy27]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

agree 100. no one else in the league could thrive against the defense Giannis sees. This has to fall 100 percent on the coaching staff.
I mean, when they don't challenge the defense with a different look. what is giannis supposed to do when the whole offense is built on him driving and kicking and no one can hit an open shot? answer- he has to try and break down the wall.

Yep, I'm not a fan of Bud as a head coach because of this. I'd rather Bud as an assistant coaching the main system and have a head coach who was able to choose to go away from that system when it's not effective.

[MVP2110]

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[DavidDunn21]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

agree 100. no one else in the league could thrive against the defense Giannis sees. This has to fall 100 percent on the coaching staff.
I mean, when they don't challenge the defense with a different look. what is giannis supposed to do when the whole offense is built on him driving and kicking and no one can hit an open shot? answer- he has to try and break down the wall.

Ewing and Hakeem or The Admiral would've just made a 16 footer against the wall.

Shaq and Dwight Howard would've done what Giannis does.

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