OT Bears 2019/20 season

[chitownsalesmen]

Bears would be best served to lose the rest of their games to hopefully be in a place to draft a QB for next year. I don't see how they fix that problem any other way.

they're not getting lawrence or fields regardless, and trask will probably be available wherever they end up in the order, so basically losing would potentially improve their shot at trey lance or zach wilson. the former basically hasn't played this year and the latter has been feasting on cupcakes in his first impressive season as a junior

While I agree the Bears are in all likely hood not getting Lawrence depending on where the Bears pick lands I still think they should address the position early in the draft, if theirs a 1st round worthy QB available at their pick or within a reasonable trade-up spot they need to pull the trigger on a QB otherwise they need to use that pick(and IMO at a minimum 2 of their first 3 selections on the Oline.) If no realistic/worth while 1st round QB then go Oline round 1, QB round 2 Oline again round 3 or at least round 4, and bringing in a solid starting level veteran O-line in FA

The reality is even if the Bears do secure a potential franchise QB whoever they bring in is going to be facing many of the same problems that Trubisky/Foles(and the rest of the offensive skill positions are as well) and Naggy or even a new HC/OC will look deficient as well, as its hard for them to do anything offensively right now behind their makeshift line and while I'm really starting to sour on Naggy the line is IMO making his system/play-calling look even worse because they just can't buy either QB time in the pocket or get any push in the run game.

At this point I'd probably recommend using A. Robinson and or 1 or 2 of their defensive studs for draft capital to snag a QB/Oline help Not having great weapons for your franchise QB is one thing, its another thing to draft a kid and let him get decapitated week-in week-out, you don't want a Joe Burrow situation where you use a 1st on a kid and then get him obliterated in his rookie season.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I'll be rooting for Mitch Sunday night. One last chance to salvage the season.

[transplant]

Trubisky's not good by NFL standards, but unfortunately, he's the best QB on the Bears roster, and it's not particularly close. Foles' highlights were all in the Atlanta game. Since then he's been unspeakably bad. Tyler Bray is, well, Tyler Bray.

Go get 'em, Mitch!

[dougthonus]

Trubisky's not good by NFL standards, but unfortunately, he's the best QB on the Bears roster, and it's not particularly close. Foles' highlights were all in the Atlanta game. Since then he's been unspeakably bad. Tyler Bray is, well, Tyler Bray.

Go get 'em, Mitch!

Hope Mitch plays well. I think with a struggling offensive line, Mitch's elusiveness may be better than Foles accuracy. With a good offensive line, I'd take Foles whom can go through progressions and hit his guys with better passes. Either way, neither are particularly good, and that was widely anticipated before the year started. I think we all knew we weren't going to have a strength at QB and were just hoping for solid. We haven't gotten that either.

[dice]

Trubisky's not good by NFL standards, but unfortunately, he's the best QB on the Bears roster, and it's not particularly close. Foles' highlights were all in the Atlanta game. Since then he's been unspeakably bad. Tyler Bray is, well, Tyler Bray.

Go get 'em, Mitch!

foles was graded as the better QB coming into this season, but he has certainly not helped his own case with the bears. perhaps nick doesn't actually have a BD after all!

[Dresden]

Bears would be best served to lose the rest of their games to hopefully be in a place to draft a QB for next year. I don't see how they fix that problem any other way.

they're not getting lawrence or fields regardless, and trask will probably be available wherever they end up in the order, so basically losing would potentially improve their shot at trey lance or zach wilson. the former basically hasn't played this year and the latter has been feasting on cupcakes in his first impressive season as a junior

So you're saying you wouldn't take either Lance or Wilson if they were within reach? Because most mocks Ive seen have them going in the first half of the first round.

[Dresden]

Bears would be best served to lose the rest of their games to hopefully be in a place to draft a QB for next year. I don't see how they fix that problem any other way.

they're not getting lawrence or fields regardless, and trask will probably be available wherever they end up in the order, so basically losing would potentially improve their shot at trey lance or zach wilson. the former basically hasn't played this year and the latter has been feasting on cupcakes in his first impressive season as a junior

While I agree the Bears are in all likely hood not getting Lawrence depending on where the Bears pick lands I still think they should address the position early in the draft, if theirs a 1st round worthy QB available at their pick or within a reasonable trade-up spot they need to pull the trigger on a QB otherwise they need to use that pick(and IMO at a minimum 2 of their first 3 selections on the Oline.) If no realistic/worth while 1st round QB then go Oline round 1, QB round 2 Oline again round 3 or at least round 4, and bringing in a solid starting level veteran O-line in FA

The reality is even if the Bears do secure a potential franchise QB whoever they bring in is going to be facing many of the same problems that Trubisky/Foles(and the rest of the offensive skill positions are as well) and Naggy or even a new HC/OC will look deficient as well, as its hard for them to do anything offensively right now behind their makeshift line and while I'm really starting to sour on Naggy the line is IMO making his system/play-calling look even worse because they just can't buy either QB time in the pocket or get any push in the run game.

At this point I'd probably recommend using A. Robinson and or 1 or 2 of their defensive studs for draft capital to snag a QB/Oline help Not having great weapons for your franchise QB is one thing, its another thing to draft a kid and let him get decapitated week-in week-out, you don't want a Joe Burrow situation where you use a 1st on a kid and then get him obliterated in his rookie season.

This year seems to be a pretty good year for QB's, so it might be worth it to grab one this year if we have the chance. We could stash him on the bench for a year until we improve the line. It's probably better to take the QB this year, and let him get up to speed for a year, than to improve the line this year, and then throw the rookie QB into the fire the following year, since it takes a QB a lot longer to learn his position than it does an O lineman.

[dice]

Bears would be best served to lose the rest of their games to hopefully be in a place to draft a QB for next year. I don't see how they fix that problem any other way.

they're not getting lawrence or fields regardless, and trask will probably be available wherever they end up in the order, so basically losing would potentially improve their shot at trey lance or zach wilson. the former basically hasn't played this year and the latter has been feasting on cupcakes in his first impressive season as a junior

So you're saying you wouldn't take either Lance or Wilson if they were within reach? Because most mocks Ive seen have them going in the first half of the first round.

i'm saying that they don't appear to be worth WANTING to lose games for. my instinct is to take a swing if they happen to fall into our laps. or even trade up a few spots. but do you throw them out there as obvious developmental players behind a crappy O-line as rookies? that seems like a recipe for failure. and i'm not sure what the alternative is - keep foles around another year? i guess

[Jeffster81]

This year seems to be a pretty good year for QB's, so it might be worth it to grab one this year if we have the chance. We could stash him on the bench for a year until we improve the line. It's probably better to take the QB this year, and let him get up to speed for a year, than to improve the line this year, and then throw the rookie QB into the fire the following year, since it takes a QB a lot longer to learn his position than it does an O lineman.

I don't see any QB in this draft worth trading up for, and that includes Lawrence and Fields. So I am perfectly fine with taking either Lance/Wilson in the mid 1st or Mac Jones in the 2nd and "redshirt" that QB. Ideally, I would take an OT in the first and Jones in the 2nd.

[Chi town]

I hope Lazor lets Mitch run and make plays. Nagy tried to make him a pocket passer and that’s not Mitch. With this o line I could see Mitch making some big runs and getting a spy LB which should open up the game a bit.

Only way Bears make it close is if D pressures Rodgers all night.

[dougthonus]

I hope Lazor lets Mitch run and make plays. Nagy tried to make him a pocket passer and that’s not Mitch. With this o line I could see Mitch making some big runs and getting a spy LB which should open up the game a bit.

Only way Bears make it close is if D pressures Rodgers all night.

May have partially been Nagy, but defenses started spying on him regularly and changed their schemes to keep him in the pocket. After his one successful year, the book was written on him and defenses also changed the way they defended him to force him to try and beat them through the air.

At this point, Mitch needed to prove that he could be a pocket passer enough to be even more dangerous through the air than letting him get the occasional run. He was unable to do that.

[molepharmer]

I hope Lazor lets Mitch run and make plays. Nagy tried to make him a pocket passer and that’s not Mitch. With this o line I could see Mitch making some big runs and getting a spy LB which should open up the game a bit.

Only way Bears make it close is if D pressures Rodgers all night.

Pagano needs to change his D scheme a bit this game just so he can pressure Rodgers. Pagano's D is low on sacks and near the bottom on blitzes. The bend-don't-break philosophy of expecting an opposing offensive miscue before scoring, simply isn't going to work against Aaron Rodgers. He'll pick apart Trevathan with crossing routes and quick slants, then isolate his receivers one on one against Skrine.

I agree Lazor needs to let Mitch play to his strengths and move the pocket. Hopefully Mitch will find Kmet better than Foles did.

[fleet]

This line isnt going execute any game plans. The QBs in Chicago are weak, but the QBs effectiveness is reduced beyond the capacity to win games with their own performance. Hell we cant even run the ball. The defense is going to either win or lose these games. The QB angle is the flashy angle, but not the winning angle.

[nitetrain8603]

Trubisky's not good by NFL standards, but unfortunately, he's the best QB on the Bears roster, and it's not particularly close. Foles' highlights were all in the Atlanta game. Since then he's been unspeakably bad. Tyler Bray is, well, Tyler Bray.

Go get 'em, Mitch!

Hope Mitch plays well. I think with a struggling offensive line, Mitch's elusiveness may be better than Foles accuracy. With a good offensive line, I'd take Foles whom can go through progressions and hit his guys with better passes. Either way, neither are particularly good, and that was widely anticipated before the year started. I think we all knew we weren't going to have a strength at QB and were just hoping for solid. We haven't gotten that either.

Summed up perfectly. Bears need a QB, but right now, they'll settle for someone who can run for their life.

[Dresden]

This line isnt going execute any game plans. The QBs in Chicago are weak, but the QBs effectiveness is reduced beyond the capacity to win games with their own performance. Hell we cant even run the ball. The defense is going to either win or lose these games. The QB angle is the flashy angle, but not the winning angle.

Well, I don't know about that. The defense can't quite win the game on their own. They still need the offense to at least do something- capitalize on a turnover, get at least a few points. that's how they won 5 of their first 6 games. Mainly it was the defense, but the offense also did just enough to get them over the finish line.

[Susan]

Arizona loses, Bears could be tied for WC spot with a W tonight. lol

[transplant]

I expect the Bears to lose tonight. I fear they'll be embarrassing. Of course, I hope they win. Hell, the Falcons blew the doors off the Raiders today and I sure didn't see that coming.

Any given Sunday.

[dougthonus]

Arizona loses, Bears could be tied for WC spot with a W tonight. lol

There are four wild card spots this year, so the Bears would be tied with the Vikings for the last one of they lose and have a game lead on one if they win.

[Michael Jackson]

they're not getting lawrence or fields regardless, and trask will probably be available wherever they end up in the order, so basically losing would potentially improve their shot at trey lance or zach wilson. the former basically hasn't played this year and the latter has been feasting on cupcakes in his first impressive season as a junior

So you're saying you wouldn't take either Lance or Wilson if they were within reach? Because most mocks Ive seen have them going in the first half of the first round.

i'm saying that they don't appear to be worth WANTING to lose games for. my instinct is to take a swing if they happen to fall into our laps. or even trade up a few spots. but do you throw them out there as obvious developmental players behind a crappy O-line as rookies? that seems like a recipe for failure. and i'm not sure what the alternative is - keep foles around another year? i guess

You have to improve the O Line first and foremost. No rookie QB is going to help that. If you improve the o line, Foles can look serviceable. Indeed if a QB drops in your lap you have to take him, but that still doesn't change the horrible nonsense that is that O Line and no one will succeed with that.

[Susan]

Arizona loses, Bears could be tied for WC spot with a W tonight. lol

There are four wild card spots this year, so the Bears would be tied with the Vikings for the last one of they lose and have a game lead on one if they win.

Not yet. Still 3 but could be 4 if some week gets destroyed by COVID. Baltimore/Steelers is pretty close TBH but seems to be happening.