The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

cjbulls · Post #1401 » by **cjbulls** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:26 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Those are the same issues as every player in this draft. It's not an actual legit concern, it's just "This player didn't have the name of the guy I wanted."

There are going to be issues with every player drafted, but not every player has these issues. You wanted to know what is not to like, so now you know.

Why would you take Okongwu who is a 4/5 when you already have WCJ and Lauri at the 4/5 and WCJ provides the same type of game as Okongwu.
Toppin plays no defense and doesn't give you a better option than Lauri plus he's got less size.
Wiseman is a beast but he went #2, not #4.

Okoro is nice but if they liked him better than Williams they would have taken him there. All of those prospects have just as many question marks, holes and issues as Williams.

Once again, this is a issue of "He's not the name I wanted" rather than an actual legitimate reason.

You just laid out the reasons why they should have traded down (all the guys are the same) or up (except Wiseman, he's a beast).

the ultimates · Post #1402 » by **the ultimates** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:08 am

You only trade down if certain criteria are met. If you can move down and still get the player or players you targeted. If someone gives you good enough assets to move up and mitigate you possibly losing out on the player or players you like. So what really could Detroit, Atlanta, or whoever have given the Bulls to move up? Another pick in this year's draft, a middling veteran, some protected pick for next year's draft? That rightfully shouldn't be enticing when you have a player you like sitting right there for you.

It seems like the trade down crowd wants to cling to the mock drafts but apparently haven't read the post-draft analysis from many of the experts. None that I've seen has made the Williams pick out to be a head-scratcher or something completely unforeseen but because some Bulls fans aren't familiar with the player they scream trade down.

Post #1403 » by **RedBulls23** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:34 am

cjbulls wrote:
fleet wrote:Given the roster repetition in the front court with Atlanta, hard to say for sure picks # 4,5,6, and 7 would have all been Williams. Hard to say if Reddish and Hunter would have been a deterrent, but they did double up at the 4-5 with Okongwu and Collins, so they seem like a BPA asset gathering team. Williams is a swing player anyway. And a cheaper option than Gallinari. With pick #s 4,5, and 7 all likely all Williams spots, at this point the reach label does not fit if everyone was drafting him.

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Great, we can finally confirm the Bulls should have traded down. Or up since teams 1-3 surely would have wanted Williams at 4 then.

Only thing that's been confirmed is trading down meant not getting Williams. Now that may have been okay for you, but clearly it wasn't for AK who valued him enough to just outright take him at 4.

Really the end of discussion as far as trading down is concerned.

cjbulls · Post #1404 » by **cjbulls** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:06 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
fleet wrote:Given the roster repetition in the front court with Atlanta, hard to say for sure picks # 4,5,6, and 7 would have all been Williams. Hard to say if Reddish and Hunter would have been a deterrent, but they did double up at the 4-5 with Okongwu and Collins, so they seem like a BPA asset gathering team. Williams is a swing player anyway. And a cheaper option than Gallinari. With pick #s 4,5, and 7 all likely all Williams spots, at this point the reach label does not fit if everyone was drafting him.

Read on Twitter

Great, we can finally confirm the Bulls should have traded down. Or up since teams 1-3 surely would have wanted Williams at 4 then.

Only thing that's been confirmed is trading down meant not getting Williams. Now that may have been okay for you, but clearly it wasn't for AK who valued him enough to just outright take him at 4.

Really the end of discussion as far as trading down is concerned.

1. This is not a confirmation of anything, but I agree that reporting like this is fair speculation.

2. There is the same fair speculation that Detroit made offers to get #3 for PWill. Therefore, we know the same offer would have been made for the bulls.

So we “know” a trade offer was on the table. Feel free to end the discussion there if you want, but stop trying to baby the new FO.

gobullschi · Post #1405 » by **gobullschi** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:46 pm

There are a lot of people on here that believe Patrick Williams is on the same tier of prospects as the guys taken in the 7-11 range.

These rumors confirm that AK didn’t agree with that line of thinking. He clearly preferred drafting PatWill to trading down. AK went with BPA. I respect it.

Post #1406 » by **RedBulls23** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:03 pm

cjbulls wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
Great, we can finally confirm the Bulls should have traded down. Or up since teams 1-3 surely would have wanted Williams at 4 then.

Only thing that's been confirmed is trading down meant not getting Williams. Now that may have been okay for you, but clearly it wasn't for AK who valued him enough to just outright take him at 4.

Really the end of discussion as far as trading down is concerned.

1. This is not a confirmation of anything, but I agree that reporting like this is fair speculation.

2. There is the same fair speculation that Detroit made offers to get #3 for PWill. Therefore, we know the same offer would have been made for the bulls.

So we “know” a trade offer was on the table. Feel free to end the discussion there if you want, but stop trying to baby the new FO.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point nor are you reading what's actually being said.

Yes AKME could have traded down but that would have meant they don't get Williams the guy that they clearly wanted. That is what the end of discussion is about. That is what literally everyone that's engaged with you in this thread is saying, which you don't seem to want to accept. It's as if you're in denial that AKME simply wanted Pat Will when it was said and done.

As for the last comment, it makes absolutely no sense. No one is babying the new front office. They might be wrong about Pat Will or they might be 100% correct. We'll find out.

bledredwine · Post #1407 » by **bledredwine** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:43 pm

I’m getting overly optimistic about this pick just like all of our picks.

But fool me once, fool me eight times...

Regardless, I like this pick. We’re going high risk high reward, which is the opposite of gar pax, and what drove me nuts about them.

Bankshot · Post #1408 » by **Bankshot** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:23 pm

Found some newer videos of Patrick on twitter a couple of minutes ago with some defense...I can't believe some are saying he's not an exceptional athlete...

Read on Twitter

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Bankshot · Post #1409 » by **Bankshot** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:45 pm

Another newer longer one....this guy has me jacked for this season

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MrFortune3 · Post #1410 » by **MrFortune3** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:58 pm

cjbulls wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
There are going to be issues with every player drafted, but not every player has these issues. You wanted to know what is not to like, so now you know.

Why would you take Okongwu who is a 4/5 when you already have WCJ and Lauri at the 4/5 and WCJ provides the same type of game as Okongwu.
Toppin plays no defense and doesn't give you a better option than Lauri plus he's got less size.
Wiseman is a beast but he went #2, not #4.

Okoro is nice but if they liked him better than Williams they would have taken him there. All of those prospects have just as many question marks, holes and issues as Williams.

Once again, this is a issue of "He's not the name I wanted" rather than an actual legitimate reason.

You just laid out the reasons why they should have traded down (all the guys are the same) or up (except Wiseman, he's a beast).

I just laid out the reasons why it's silly to claim the need to trade down since AK got the guy he wanted and would not have had he traded down.

MrFortune3 · Post #1411 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:00 am

gobullschi wrote:There are a lot of people on here that believe Patrick Williams is on the same tier of prospects as the guys taken in the 7-11 range.

These rumors confirm that AK didn’t agree with that line of thinking. He clearly preferred drafting PatWill to trading down. AK went with BPA. I respect it.

Like I said before. To hell with trading down. Take your guy at #4 and that's exactly what AK did.

BullsFTW · Post #1412 » by **BullsFTW** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:48 am

Bankshot wrote:Found some newer videos of Patrick on twitter a couple of minutes ago with some defense...I can't believe some are saying he's not an exceptional athlete...

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He looks a lot slimmer and has more muscle definition now compared to when he was playing in FSU. Goes to show how much of a hard worker he is. He definitely moves like a guard in the recent videos that’s been surfacing.

Post #1413 » by **fleet** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:52 am

BullsFTW wrote:
Bankshot wrote:Found some newer videos of Patrick on twitter a couple of minutes ago with some defense...I can't believe some are saying he's not an exceptional athlete...

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He looks a lot slimmer and has more muscle definition now compared to when he was playing in FSU. Goes to show how much of a hard worker he is. He definitely moves like a guard in the recent videos that’s been surfacing.

He is on my short list of players who are most likely to succeed, and while he has all the physical ability in the world, his mind and personal character could be the best reasons why.

Him being so young indicated a slower start to his career. But his skills at this point appear enough to be able to hold his own.

Chi town · Post #1414 » by **Chi town** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:21 am

BullsFTW wrote:
Bankshot wrote:Found some newer videos of Patrick on twitter a couple of minutes ago with some defense...I can't believe some are saying he's not an exceptional athlete...

Read on Twitter
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He looks a lot slimmer and has more muscle definition now compared to when he was playing in FSU. Goes to show how much of a hard worker he is. He definitely moves like a guard in the recent videos that’s been surfacing.

That’s the hope! With his size and athleticism playing with the skills and shooting of a guard and we have a player to build with. Feels weird even having a player we can speculate about with this type of physical talent.

StunnerKO · Post #1415 » by **StunnerKO** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:37 am

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Benedict Miller · Post #1416 » by **Benedict Miller** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:21 am

He definitely has the talent to be somebody for sure

Mbrahv0528 · Post #1417 » by **Mbrahv0528** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:22 pm

Bankshot wrote:Found some newer videos of Patrick on twitter a couple of minutes ago with some defense...I can't believe some are saying he's not an exceptional athlete...

Read on Twitter
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Only people being purposely obtuse are denying his athleticism. Don't read too far into that lol.

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BahamaBull · Post #1418 » by **BahamaBull** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:28 pm

Jordan Maly on lockedon Bulls said its laughable to think some fans believe PatWill will be a 3...

I think he will be a 3 from day 1...he can also play some 4 for sure but judging from this latest vids I cant see why he cant play the 3.

TheDraftGuy · Post #1419 » by **TheDraftGuy** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:32 pm

Don't know why Bulls fans are so upset. Once he reaches his prime, Patrick Williams might be the best or second best player from this draft.

The idea, I imagine, is to get a guy like Williams, pair him with Lavine and Markkanen, and get one last guy in the next draft or two. If Bulls can get four All-Star caliber players and peak in the mid-2020s, they will probably make some Finals appearances then. Probably will do battle with Luka's Mavs.

MrFortune3 · Post #1420 » by **MrFortune3** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 12:45 am

BahamaBull wrote:Jordan Maly on lockedon Bulls said its laughable to think some fans believe PatWill will be a 3...

I think he will be a 3 from day 1...he can also play some 4 for sure but judging from this latest vids I cant see why he cant play the 3.

People assume he will get bigger and lose quickness to guard the 3 spot.