Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[RiotPunch]

My guess is if it’s going to happen the Bucks are going to make an event of it.

As it should be. They should unveil a 100' Giannis statue at the top of the U.S Bank building. And if it weren't for Covid, I'd expect a damn parade. This is a biiiiig deal. **** you LA. **** you Miami. **** you Golden State. And **** you Atlanta. Oh, and **** you too Mr. Silver, you bitch.

Don't forget Toronto!

[har13]

From a Greek reporter close to Giannis, about his contract and what happened with Oladipo, Bogdan and Holiday.
https://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/nba/article/1538379/milwaukee-we-have-problem

Google translate and the most important of what he is saying, sorry guys.


"After thoroughly studying all the teams and being in constant contact with their 25-year-old Greek superstar, the general manager, John Horst and his associates, came up with two teams and two players. The reason for the Indiana Pacers and the New Orleans Pelicans, on behalf of Victor Olandipo and Jrou Holiday."

"With the first one, Giannis, had acquired a personal relationship since the night of the draft (he was selected at No. 2 in 2013 by the Orlando Magic) and they are connected by their common roots from Nigeria, which is the country where their parents were born. With the second, Antetokunbo had nothing more than their acquaintance on the NBA floor as opponents. However, he particularly appreciated the personality he brought out on the field and the combination of his huge defensive appeal with his offensive duties."

"In complete secrecy, then, the leader of the Bucks called Olandipo and invited him at his own expense for a while in Athens, to train together and discuss closely the possibility of playing as teammates in Milwaukee. The two players, along with the other Antetokunbo brothers, trained for about a week (in early November) at SEF, under the guidance of the team's coaches who are in Greece with Giannis and the 28-year-old Pacers guard left for the United States for the first time. day of the lock-down (07/11)."

"I do not know what the conclusion of these work-outs was, but Holliday's choice for the Blenzo trade (which included George Hill) means that the case of the 30-year-old combo-guard from California, either from the beginning it was the first choice, either that the Bucks were afraid of the injury problems that have plagued Olandipos in recent years."

About Bogdan

""Bogi", from the beginning of the planning of the new season, was a player that came into the sights of the Bucks because Giannis really liked the prospect of their collaboration. The two players know each other and have spent time together at the All Star Games in Los Angeles and Charlotte, while before Thanasis took over the almost daily "grill" (with messages and video calls), the information states that they spoke in a positive atmosphere and discussed the scenario of their coexistence."

The deal actually broke down when Bogdanovic's representative brought his client an offer that the "kings" could not "catch". At this point we should clarify that the Serbian ace could only go to the Bucks through the "sign and trade" process, ie only if the Kings signed him for another four years (they offered him 60 million for that period) and then they exchanged him for "deer"."

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The "agreement", however, did not go ahead, not only because the two sides contacted it earlier than the NBA deadline (which even started an investigation into the incident), but mainly because in the process Bogdan realized that in Atlanta (where and signed) would double his annual earnings!"

After he speaks about his own opinions and why he doesn't believe the Bucks are much better than last year and that many teams look much stronger this year.

Giannis contract.

"And this is because it is more important what will happen, if the new championship is completed with the Bucks doing one of the same in the playoffs (exclusion in the 2nd round) but also how Antetokunbo himself will feel after another failure, already having commit to the team until 2026!"

"As you will understand, after all, the Wisconsin agency has been operating for a long time as if John has already committed to sign the super max contract (it has a deadline until December 21), worth from 228 to 244 million dollars, for the next five years. And in this direction he tried to frame the franchise player with at least two players who are able to make a difference. Whether he succeeded (the first indications for this season are negative), will be seen in the ... applause!"

The fact that "Greek Freak" wants to end his career in Milwaukee increases the pressure of the Bucks and increases the chances of a conditional agreement, which may give him the right to leave through an exchange, if after the 1st or 2nd year. of the new contract, find that the supporting cast is not enough to win the championship.

If Antitokunbo has already decided in favor of expansion (the prevailing scenario), the Bucks should open champagnes now! The fact that they do not do it and continue to search, means that they listen to the problem and realize that Giannis' love for the city and the organization, in two years from now, may not be enough for ... "Buck for ever"!

PS.
The fact that Miami gave the max contract to Adebayo, while it had made it clear that it wanted to chase Giannis, has a lot to do with the fact that the 23-year-old power-forward has the same agenda as the two-time MVP of the regular season.

[Swan Vox]

As it should be. They should unveil a 100' Giannis statue at the top of the U.S Bank building. And if it weren't for Covid, I'd expect a damn parade. This is a biiiiig deal. **** you LA. **** you Miami. **** you Golden State. And **** you Atlanta. Oh, and **** you too Mr. Silver, you bitch.

Don't forget Toronto!

This is the type of content I am here for.

Well done!

[Garbs_7]

From a Greek reporter close to Giannis, about his contract and what happened with Oladipo, Bogdan and Holiday.
https://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/nba/article/1538379/milwaukee-we-have-problem

Google translate and the most important of what he is saying, sorry guys.

....

This seems really big, one of the first bits of news from close to Giannis. It's a bit hard to read (sorry no offence, thanks for posting but the google translate is always a little off), some parts seem to frame it as he is happy and other parts he isn't.

Can someone translate the translation?

[MikeIsGood]

As it should be. They should unveil a 100' Giannis statue at the top of the U.S Bank building. And if it weren't for Covid, I'd expect a damn parade. This is a biiiiig deal. **** you LA. **** you Miami. **** you Golden State. And **** you Atlanta. Oh, and **** you too Mr. Silver, you bitch.

Don't forget Toronto!

The Greek God Giannis statue

[tydett]

From a Greek reporter close to Giannis, about his contract and what happened with Oladipo, Bogdan and Holiday.
https://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/nba/article/1538379/milwaukee-we-have-problem

Google translate and the most important of what he is saying, sorry guys.

....

This seems really big, one of the first bits of news from close to Giannis. It's a bit hard to read (sorry no offence, thanks for posting but the google translate is always a little off), some parts seem to frame it as he is happy and other parts he isn't.

Can someone translate the translation?

Seems like:

1. Giannis wanted Dipo or Holiday - Dipo because they were friends since the draft and both of Nigerian descent, Holiday because Giannis liked his game (but didn't know him as well). Dipo worked out with Giannis in Greece, but the Bucks ultimately went with Holiday, probably because they were afraid of Dipo's injury.

2. Thanny was the big recruiter for Bogdan. The Kings approached him about a S&T where they already had the parameters of a deal laid for 4/$60, but Bogdan wanted more money from Atlanta (4/72), though the author's assertion that Bogdan could make "double the Bucks' offer" seems to be way off. Bogdan was never an option because he wanted more money than the Bucks were willing to offer.

3. Giannis loves Milwaukee, the city and the org. Bucks org seems to be operating as if they'll get Giannis to sign. He seems to agree that's the most likely scenario, but with a 1-2 year "trade" clause that would let Giannis ask out if the team's supporting cast doesn't seem championship caliber in a few years. Basically, intimates that if the Bucks don't keep putting a good product around him, then Giannis' loyalty to the city and the org can only go so far before he has to look elsewhere (that it's not unconditional and he's not a guarantee to be here for his whole career). Although he does say that Giannis would love to be a Buck for life.

[Garbs_7]

From a Greek reporter close to Giannis, about his contract and what happened with Oladipo, Bogdan and Holiday.
https://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/nba/article/1538379/milwaukee-we-have-problem

Google translate and the most important of what he is saying, sorry guys.

....

This seems really big, one of the first bits of news from close to Giannis. It's a bit hard to read (sorry no offence, thanks for posting but the google translate is always a little off), some parts seem to frame it as he is happy and other parts he isn't.

Can someone translate the translation?

Seems like:

1. Giannis wanted Dipo or Holiday - Dipo because they were friends since the draft and both of Nigerian descent, Holiday because Giannis liked his game (but didn't know him as well). Dipo worked out with Giannis in Greece, but the Bucks ultimately went with Holiday, probably because they were afraid of Dipo's injury.

2. Thanny was the big recruiter for Bogdan. The Kings approached him about a S&T where they already had the parameters of a deal laid for 4/$60, but Bogdan wanted more money from Atlanta (4/72), though the author's assertion that Bogdan could make "double the Bucks' offer" seems to be way off. Bogdan was never an option because he wanted more money than the Bucks were willing to offer.

3. Giannis loves Milwaukee, the city and the org. Bucks org seems to be operating as if they'll get Giannis to sign. He seems to agree that's the most likely scenario, but with a 1-2 year "trade" clause that would let Giannis ask out if the team's supporting cast doesn't seem championship caliber in a few years. Basically, intimates that if the Bucks don't keep putting a good product around him, then Giannis' loyalty to the city and the org can only go so far before he has to look elsewhere (that it's not unconditional and he's not a guarantee to be here for his whole career). Although he does say that Giannis would love to be a Buck for life.

Thanks yeah was mainly those bottom few paragraphs confused me about the 1-2 year stuff and popping champagne etc haha.

So seems like Bogdan / his agent was the one who blew the deal up over $. Seems strange because weren't we paying around $15-$16 mil per year and he got $18? Doesn't sound that far apart unless we weren't offering that much.

I'm glad it is confirmed that Jrue was one of Giannis' targets, seems he was really keen on Dipo, but I like the Jrue acquisition more and if him and Giannis are already on the same page about playing together and extensions etc that's a big relief.

It seems like also Thanasis is the one who is closer to Bogdan from this and previous reporting. Obviously Giannis is friends also but is ideal if he is more Thanasis' friend and Giannis blames Bogdan for the deal falling apart and not the Bucks...

[BuckFan25226]

From a Greek reporter close to Giannis, about his contract and what happened with Oladipo, Bogdan and Holiday.
https://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/nba/article/1538379/milwaukee-we-have-problem

Google translate and the most important of what he is saying, sorry guys.

....

This seems really big, one of the first bits of news from close to Giannis. It's a bit hard to read (sorry no offence, thanks for posting but the google translate is always a little off), some parts seem to frame it as he is happy and other parts he isn't.

Can someone translate the translation?

Seems like:

1. Giannis wanted Dipo or Holiday - Dipo because they were friends since the draft and both of Nigerian descent, Holiday because Giannis liked his game (but didn't know him as well). Dipo worked out with Giannis in Greece, but the Bucks ultimately went with Holiday, probably because they were afraid of Dipo's injury.

2. Thanny was the big recruiter for Bogdan. The Kings approached him about a S&T where they already had the parameters of a deal laid for 4/$60, but Bogdan wanted more money from Atlanta (4/72), though the author's assertion that Bogdan could make "double the Bucks' offer" seems to be way off. Bogdan was never an option because he wanted more money than the Bucks were willing to offer.

3. Giannis loves Milwaukee, the city and the org. Bucks org seems to be operating as if they'll get Giannis to sign. He seems to agree that's the most likely scenario, but with a 1-2 year "trade" clause that would let Giannis ask out if the team's supporting cast doesn't seem championship caliber in a few years. Basically, intimates that if the Bucks don't keep putting a good product around him, then Giannis' loyalty to the city and the org can only go so far before he has to look elsewhere (that it's not unconditional and he's not a guarantee to be here for his whole career). Although he does say that Giannis would love to be a Buck for life.

#2 is the big one. If this was truly about Bogi being able to chase more $$, then not getting Bogi isn't really as impactful as we initially feared. Jrue was the big catch and this explains Horst doing everything possible to acquire him.

I'm so happy we went after Jrue and not Oladipo. I suppose he would be awesome on this team if we could somehow keep Mids/Giannis and Jrue.

[raferfenix]

"With the first one, Giannis, had acquired a personal relationship since the night of the draft (he was selected at No. 2 in 2013 by the Orlando Magic) and they are connected by their common roots from Nigeria, which is the country where their parents were born. With the second, Antetokunbo had nothing more than their acquaintance on the NBA floor as opponents. However, he particularly appreciated the personality he brought out on the field and the combination of his huge defensive appeal with his offensive duties."

"In complete secrecy, then, the leader of the Bucks called Olandipo and invited him at his own expense for a while in Athens, to train together and discuss closely the possibility of playing as teammates in Milwaukee. The two players, along with the other Antetokunbo brothers, trained for about a week (in early November) at SEF, under the guidance of the team's coaches who are in Greece with Giannis and the 28-year-old Pacers guard left for the United States for the first time. day of the lock-down (07/11)."

Appreciate the news from Greece!

Oladipo flying to Athens to train with Giannis makes it seem like the Bucks were plenty serious.

Pacers reportedly said no to Donte + #24 + Hill, which already seems like a lot considering Dipo's health issues.

If we would have needed to include more first round picks that would have been that much more disconcerting.

We had to trade a boat load of picks for Holiday of course, but at least we know his body hasn't already fallen apart.

[WRau1]

Jrue being a Giannis target makes a lot more sense now given how much we had to trade for him.

[RubberSoul]

How is the Bucks flying Oladipo to train with Giannis in Greece not tampering? Unless the Bucks weren’t involved and Giannis flew him out. Seems like blatant tampering and makes me worried the NBA will hammer us even more.

Imagine if the Heat flew Giannis to Miami to train with Butler and Bam or Lakers flew him out to train with LeBron and AD?


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[Matches Malone]

Jrue being a Giannis target makes a lot more sense now given how much we had to trade for him.

Also makes me feel a little better that Giannis had him on a list and we got at least one guy for him. I think once he gets to know Jrue, he's going to love him as a person. Dude's a great guy and probably shares a lot of the same family values as Giannis.

[0BobLobLaw0]

How is the Bucks flying Oladipo to train with Giannis in Greece not tampering? Unless the Bucks weren’t involved and Giannis flew him out. Seems like blatant tampering and makes me worried the NBA will hammer us even more.

Imagine if the Heat flew Giannis to Miami to train with Butler and Bam or Lakers flew him out to train with LeBron and AD?


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I read it as Giannis funded the trip, not the Bucks

[crkone]

How is the Bucks flying Oladipo to train with Giannis in Greece not tampering? Unless the Bucks weren’t involved and Giannis flew him out. Seems like blatant tampering and makes me worried the NBA will hammer us even more.

Imagine if the Heat flew Giannis to Miami to train with Butler and Bam or Lakers flew him out to train with LeBron and AD?


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It says Giannis flew Oladipo out there on his own dime. He also had a Bucks coach or two out there as personal coaches. It's the same as LeBron inviting others to train with him.

[RubberSoul]

How is the Bucks flying Oladipo to train with Giannis in Greece not tampering? Unless the Bucks weren’t involved and Giannis flew him out. Seems like blatant tampering and makes me worried the NBA will hammer us even more.

Imagine if the Heat flew Giannis to Miami to train with Butler and Bam or Lakers flew him out to train with LeBron and AD?


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I read it as Giannis funded the trip, not the Bucks

Ah okay that makes more sense I must have misread it.


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[Matches Malone]

Sounds like Giannis might finally understand he's got to do some recruiting in the off-season to get guys to come to Milwaukee. That could be huge for us, if he's flying guys out to train with him. Obviously the Oladipo thing didn't work out, but it could in the future or with other players.

[Garbs_7]

This bit I got from the original article is interesting

"Somehow, the initial enthusiasm for the regional duo - "fire" Holidayi-Bogdanovic was mitigated, Middleton's move scenario did not find a response and the Bucks were left with their additions: "

Middleton's move scenario did not find a response.

What move scenario?

[greekbuck34]

I will translate the important points and leave any journalist sauce because the article is huge.

Antonis Kalkavouras thinks it's almost certain that Giannis will resign with the Bucks, he has some reveletions about Bogdanovic and the dilemma between Oladipo and Jrue and counting every move of the Bucks FO he thinks that it will be very difficult for them to keep Giannis until 2026.

The meeting of September Synopsis

The bucks had a meeting with Giannis in September right before he was about to flight to Greece and he(Giannis) said one more time that the thing he would like the most is to finish his career with the Bucks.
From this point on the Bucks started to work to improve the roster. From the start of the off-season the FO was certain that the main thing they have to do is to improve the PG position with a better decition maker than Bledsoe. The did NOT consider to approach any Free Agents restricted or not!
After they studied plenty of players Horst and his team concluded on two teams and two players. Pacers(Oladipo) and the Pelicans(Jrue).With the first Giannis has a personal relationship since his draft and with the second he just knows it from the regular games but he was always appreciating his personality on the court and his two-way level of play.

Giannis brought Oladipo to Athens for practices!

In absolute secrecy Giannis called and brought Oladipo to Athens with his own money just to practice together and have a discussion about joining in Milwaukee. Giannis and his brothers along with Oladipo practiced together for a full week(1st week of November). The journalist doesn't know what was the outcome of the workouts but he thinks that Oladipo was either the first choice or the Bucks were afraid of his injury problems and changed their minds.

Why did Bogdanovic not go to Milwaukee?

Along with the workouts in Athens the Bucks were discussing about bringing Bogdan to the Bucks knowing all the while that the Kings could easily match any offer they make.
Bogdan was a serious target from the beginning. Giannis knows him, he spent a lot of time with him in the all star games of LA and Charlotte and along with Thanassis they shared a lot of sms and video calls between them and his info says that they were very positive about joining together this season.
The deal broke when an agent of Bogdan brought to the table an offer that the Kings couldn't match. At this point the Bucks could only bring Bogdan with a S&T, the Kings signing him for 4 years(60mil) and then trading him to the Bucks.
The deal was cancelled not only because the Bucks contacted Bogdan before they were allowed to but also because Bogdan realised that he will earn almost double the money in Atlanta!
Bogdan declined the offer of 15mils per year from the Kings(9 per year of those were going to taxes in California) for 18mils per year from the Hawks(The journalist doesn's say anything about the taxes there). So with this deal Bogdan will earnt double the money!

The commitment of Giannis makes the problem even bigger for the Bucks

Just like that the hype of bringing the super duo Jrue-Bogdan fell off, trading Middleton did not bring any response and thus the Bucks added and resigned the following players:
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If you see any remarkable upgrade on the above additions that the Bucks would be considered tha favourite to clear the East then good for you! If you do so then most probably you don't take into account that the Heat resigned Dragic and Bam, the Celtics did not lose anybody that important, signed TT and are more experienced, the Sixers brought Howard and Seth Curry and the last chance of Doc Rivers and we still don't know how strong the Nets would be with both KD and Kyrie in their lineup.
We don't even have to discuss what went in the West with the much better Lakers and the Mavs, Nuggets and Blazers and Suns.

Everything points to an extension with conditions.

And that's because we have to wait and see if the Bucks have one of the same seasons and how Giannis will feel about after one more failed attempt after a commitment until the 2026.
As you understand the Bucks acted for a while like Giannis already agreed to sign the supermax and this is why they tried to bring two players that could make the difference besides him. If they succeed we will figure it out in the end of the season.
That Giannis wants to finish his career in Milwaukee brings even more pressure to the Bucks. That leads to most likely an extension with conditions like the right to ask for a trade after the 1st or 2nd year of his new contract based on the performance of the new supporting cast.

If Giannis has already decided to sign the supermax(most likely) the Bucks should celebrate already! That they don't do it and they still look worried is because they realised the problem and that the unconditional love of Giannis for the city and the Bucks may not be enough two years from now.

PS: Bam signing his supermax now has to do with having the same agent with Giannis.

I know someone else propably made another translation but whatever here you go.

[raferfenix]

Jrue being a Giannis target makes a lot more sense now given how much we had to trade for him.

I'm relieved to read this too particularly considering the report that Bogdan was the preferred target.

Hopefully Thanasis or someone else in their orbit was really the one more upset about Bogdan.

Looking forward to hearing a lot more about how excited Giannis is to play with Jrue for the foreseeable future when and if he signs his supermax!

[greekbuck34]

The thing he says about trading Middleton is very vague. It could be about the FO discussing about trading him by themleves and not doing it in the end or that they did try to do it and did not end up with any good offers.