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Post#1541 » by raferfenix » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:24 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:Everything points to an extension with conditions.

And that's because we have to wait and see if the Bucks have one of the same seasons and how Giannis will feel about after one more failed attempt after a commitment until the 2026.
As you understand the Bucks acted for a while like Giannis already agreed to sign the supermax and this is why they tried to bring two players that could make the difference besides him. If they succeed we will figure it out in the end of the season.
That Giannis wants to finish his career in Milwaukee brings even more pressure to the Bucks. That leads to most likely an extension with conditions like the right to ask for a trade after the 1st or 2nd year of his new contract based on the performance of the new supporting cast.

If Giannis has already decided to sign the supermax(most likely) the Bucks should celebrate already! That they don't do it and they still look worried is because they realised the problem and that the unconditional love of Giannis for the city and the Bucks may not be enough two years from now.


There has been plenty of rumblings for me to believe that the Bucks are assuring Giannis we will trade him if he wants to be traded a few years from now.
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Post#1542 » by machu46 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:25 pm

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har13 wrote:"With the first one, Giannis, had acquired a personal relationship since the night of the draft (he was selected at No. 2 in 2013 by the Orlando Magic) and they are connected by their common roots from Nigeria, which is the country where their parents were born. With the second, Antetokunbo had nothing more than their acquaintance on the NBA floor as opponents. However, he particularly appreciated the personality he brought out on the field and the combination of his huge defensive appeal with his offensive duties."

"In complete secrecy, then, the leader of the Bucks called Olandipo and invited him at his own expense for a while in Athens, to train together and discuss closely the possibility of playing as teammates in Milwaukee. The two players, along with the other Antetokunbo brothers, trained for about a week (in early November) at SEF, under the guidance of the team's coaches who are in Greece with Giannis and the 28-year-old Pacers guard left for the United States for the first time. day of the lock-down (07/11)."


Appreciate the news from Greece!

Oladipo flying to Athens to train with Giannis makes it seem like the Bucks were plenty serious.

Pacers reportedly said no to Donte + #24 + Hill, which already seems like a lot considering Dipo's health issues.

If we would have needed to include more first round picks that would have been that much more disconcerting.

We had to trade a boat load of picks for Holiday of course, but at least we know his body hasn't already fallen apart.


Yeah, I get it from Indiana's perspective though, and ultimately, that's why I think it's unlikely Oladipo is traded unless it's closer to the deadline. Coming off multiple injury-riddled seasons, in which he's played relatively poorly when he's been available, Oladipo's trade value is at an all-time low.

Unless Oladipo makes life a living hell for them, there's no real point in them trading him now as teams are trying to get him for pennies on the dollar. They're better off waiting and seeing if he can rebuild his trade value with a strong start to the regular season than trading him for a middling asset or two now.

It's entirely possible that they ultimately accept an offer similar to the one we had this offseason, but they at least want to see if he can improve his trade value first and that's probably the right thing for them to do.

For me at least, this article is enough to keep Oladipo on the radar for a mid-season trade or even potentially a sign-and-trade in the offseason if we have Giannis locked up already by then.
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Post#1543 » by Garbs_7 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:26 pm

This also seems like the type of article that would get released the day he is signing his extension also doesn't it? Please?
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Post#1544 » by emunney » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:33 pm

I would want some assurances that I could be traded if things went pear-shaped after my team locked into a core a half-generation older than me. Signing the extension means things are good now. If at some point things are not good, which is very possible given the corner we've painted ourselves into, we'll have to start over. Hopefully if that happens, we'll already have won a championship or two.
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Post#1545 » by greekbuck34 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:35 pm

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greekbuck34 wrote:Everything points to an extension with conditions.

And that's because we have to wait and see if the Bucks have one of the same seasons and how Giannis will feel about after one more failed attempt after a commitment until the 2026.
As you understand the Bucks acted for a while like Giannis already agreed to sign the supermax and this is why they tried to bring two players that could make the difference besides him. If they succeed we will figure it out in the end of the season.
That Giannis wants to finish his career in Milwaukee brings even more pressure to the Bucks. That leads to most likely an extension with conditions like the right to ask for a trade after the 1st or 2nd year of his new contract based on the performance of the new supporting cast.

If Giannis has already decided to sign the supermax(most likely) the Bucks should celebrate already! That they don't do it and they still look worried is because they realised the problem and that the unconditional love of Giannis for the city and the Bucks may not be enough two years from now.


There has been plenty of rumblings for me to believe that the Bucks are assuring Giannis we will trade him if he wants to be traded a few years from now.


1st of all we won't lose him for scrap this year or for nothing next season.
2nd It's good because it keeps the pressure on the FO of maintaining a good supporting cast(Good enough to finaly make the finals)
3rd It's bad because if we fail to win in the next two seasons, Jrue will not extend and Giannis will ask for a trade.
4rd It's good because even in that scenario the Bucks will trade 3 years of a Superstar at his prime for the best possible haul so it won't be devastating.
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Post#1546 » by emunney » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:38 pm

Maybe we can get Oladipo next summer, we'll see how things go with him.
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Post#1547 » by Rstuedes24 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:40 pm

Giannis having a connection with Oladipo over their Nigerian roots, maybe this made drafting Nwora an easier choice thinking he would have a connection with Giannis? Not necessarily the same upbringing but Nwora has talked a lot about always being the underdog and how he’s had to work so hard to prove himself and get better so I can imagine they can relate
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Post#1548 » by RogerMurdock » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:44 pm

Has the front office offered Giannis a PS5, at least? And not the poor person's version without the optical drive.
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Post#1549 » by har13 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:45 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:Everything points to an extension with conditions.

And that's because we have to wait and see if the Bucks have one of the same seasons and how Giannis will feel about after one more failed attempt after a commitment until the 2026.
As you understand the Bucks acted for a while like Giannis already agreed to sign the supermax and this is why they tried to bring two players that could make the difference besides him. If they succeed we will figure it out in the end of the season.
That Giannis wants to finish his career in Milwaukee brings even more pressure to the Bucks. That leads to most likely an extension with conditions like the right to ask for a trade after the 1st or 2nd year of his new contract based on the performance of the new supporting cast.

If Giannis has already decided to sign the supermax(most likely) the Bucks should celebrate already! That they don't do it and they still look worried is because they realised the problem and that the unconditional love of Giannis for the city and the Bucks may not be enough two years from now.


There has been plenty of rumblings for me to believe that the Bucks are assuring Giannis we will trade him if he wants to be traded a few years from now.


1st of all we won't lose him for scrap this year or for nothing next season.
2nd It's good because it keeps the pressure on the FO of maintaining a good supporting cast(Good enough to finaly make the finals)
3rd It's bad because if we fail to win in the next two seasons, Jrue will not extend and Giannis will ask for a trade.
4rd It's good because even in that scenario the Bucks will trade 3 years of a Superstar at his prime for the best possible haul so it won't be devastating.

Don't you think that Kalkavouras is implying that Bucks still searching for something cause they know they didn't do well?
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Post#1550 » by greekbuck34 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:56 pm

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greekbuck34 wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
There has been plenty of rumblings for me to believe that the Bucks are assuring Giannis we will trade him if he wants to be traded a few years from now.


1st of all we won't lose him for scrap this year or for nothing next season.
2nd It's good because it keeps the pressure on the FO of maintaining a good supporting cast(Good enough to finaly make the finals)
3rd It's bad because if we fail to win in the next two seasons, Jrue will not extend and Giannis will ask for a trade.
4rd It's good because even in that scenario the Bucks will trade 3 years of a Superstar at his prime for the best possible haul so it won't be devastating.

Don't you think that Kalkavouras is implying that Bucks still searching for something cause they know they didn't do well?


Yeah but they don't have to do it now if there are no viable options because Giannis has already agreed to sign. I think he implies that the Bucks are still searching for something more and they will continue to do so because they know that if we don't win or atleast make the finals in the next 2 seasons Giannis will ask for a trade.
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Post#1551 » by machu46 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:15 pm

RogerMurdock wrote:Has the front office offered Giannis a PS5, at least? And not the poor person's version without the optical drive.


I think he posted a picture the other day of himself with the PS5 actually lol
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Post#1552 » by RogerMurdock » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:20 pm

machu46 wrote:
RogerMurdock wrote:Has the front office offered Giannis a PS5, at least? And not the poor person's version without the optical drive.


I think he posted a picture the other day of himself with the PS5 actually lol


Well then it's good to see that the Bucks aren't being cheap.
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Post#1553 » by emunney » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:22 pm

machu46 wrote:
RogerMurdock wrote:Has the front office offered Giannis a PS5, at least? And not the poor person's version without the optical drive.


I think he posted a picture the other day of himself with the PS5 actually lol


Hopefully it wasn't a picture of Alex Lasry giving it to him or we'll get tagged for circumvention.
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Post#1555 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:08 pm

OT thread or TV thread for TV talk this going forward. Thanks.
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Post#1556 » by SirChurros » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:48 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:OT thread or TV thread for TV talk this going forward. Thanks.


Can we still discuss Giannis pimping crappy TVs, though? :wink:
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Post#1557 » by BucksRule18 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:07 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:Everything points to an extension with conditions.

And that's because we have to wait and see if the Bucks have one of the same seasons and how Giannis will feel about after one more failed attempt after a commitment until the 2026.
As you understand the Bucks acted for a while like Giannis already agreed to sign the supermax and this is why they tried to bring two players that could make the difference besides him. If they succeed we will figure it out in the end of the season.
That Giannis wants to finish his career in Milwaukee brings even more pressure to the Bucks. That leads to most likely an extension with conditions like the right to ask for a trade after the 1st or 2nd year of his new contract based on the performance of the new supporting cast.

If Giannis has already decided to sign the supermax(most likely) the Bucks should celebrate already! That they don't do it and they still look worried is because they realised the problem and that the unconditional love of Giannis for the city and the Bucks may not be enough two years from now.


There has been plenty of rumblings for me to believe that the Bucks are assuring Giannis we will trade him if he wants to be traded a few years from now.


1st of all we won't lose him for scrap this year or for nothing next season.
2nd It's good because it keeps the pressure on the FO of maintaining a good supporting cast(Good enough to finaly make the finals)
3rd It's bad because if we fail to win in the next two seasons, Jrue will not extend and Giannis will ask for a trade.
4rd It's good because even in that scenario the Bucks will trade 3 years of a Superstar at his prime for the best possible haul so it won't be devastating.


I assume that Holiday will be looking for an extension within the next year. He has a player option next year and will likely get extended by the Bucks this year or go into free agency next year to get a 4-year deal.
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Post#1558 » by LISTEN2JAZZ » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:26 pm

I don’t think “assurance that you could be traded” is a conversation worth having. If it isn’t something that could go into the contract due to the CBA, it could be a fine magnet to promise it in any certain terms.

He could sign a 1+1 like Lebron and get even more flexibility than that without requiring handshake agreements. Otherwise it’s just accept the boatload of money and trust that they’ll try to make good decisions.
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Post#1559 » by SirChurros » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:29 pm

I don't even really understand why a player would ever agree to a "handshake agreement" type of thing. What's the incentive for them? What prevents the organization from reneging on the agreement out of spite or something?
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Post#1560 » by DanoMac » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:31 pm

If the Bucks reneged out of spite, no free agent, draft pick, or anybody, ever again, would happily play for the Bucks.

We wouldn't do that. No sports organization would do that.

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