Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[Gianstoppable]

According to Windy, Bucks plan to meet with Giannis within the next few days. I can't imagine the Bucks and/or Giannis want to go into "media week" (12/1 - 12/5) without the contract signed. The only questions asked will be about Giannis and the supermax.

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The FO were confident about the Bogdan trade too, confident enough to be bragging about it.

Allegedly

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

[DingleJerry]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

Yes, really if you look at recent years and current winning teams the model we all think of (be bad, get high picks, get good) really hasn't worked. The only examples would be OKC until it all crashed down and Philly. The same bad teams are consistently picking in the top 10 and don't really get anywhere. Probably some grey areas here of teams that dipped for a year and happened to snag a good guy in that one year, like Denver/Murray and Dallas/Luka. But those weren't all out tank jobs at anypoint. Basic lesson is smart teams continue to be smart regardless of where they pick, and being in warm weather markets is a big advantage so picks aren't essential for them. Unfortunately the Bucks are not in a good location and are not a smart well run team.

[greekbuck34]

Btw I'm dissing the bucks because after the 4-1 defeat from the Heat I promised to himself not to take us seriously unless we fix the Bledsoe problem and surround Giannis with shooters that actually make their shots in the off season.

We did fix the Bledsoe problem but I'm still not sure about the "shooters" we got until I watch them play and make shots when it matters(playoffs). With Bud as a coach we need shooters in order to punish the wall and/or allow Giannis to drive. There is no plan B.

So I will not make the mistake and "hope" that they will do it this season. After 7 years as a bucks fan I know that hope is a mistake.

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

[buckboy]

Just imagine if we had the #2 pick in the 2017 or 2018 draft. We had the worst timing for the #2 pick. If we had a guy to pair with Khris and Giannis on a rookie deal plus add in a guy like Jrue we would easily roll the East and thats just hitting on one, albeit, major player

The 2016-17 season, Middleton came back and we finished like 16-7 to get to 42 wins. We missed Bam by 3 picks, Mitchell by 4 picks that next draft. There were five teams within 2 wins of us.

Stop it. You're making me cry.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

Yes, really if you look at recent years and current winning teams the model we all think of (be bad, get high picks, get good) really hasn't worked. The only examples would be OKC until it all crashed down and Philly. The same bad teams are consistently picking in the top 10 and don't really get anywhere. Probably some grey areas here of teams that dipped for a year and happened to snag a good guy in that one year, like Denver/Murray and Dallas/Luka. But those weren't all out tank jobs at anypoint. Basic lesson is smart teams continue to be smart regardless of where they pick, and being in warm weather markets is a big advantage so picks aren't essential for them. Unfortunately the Bucks are not in a good location and are not a smart well run team.

if giannis doesnt resign which means hes jetting then it just is what it is. get some young guys in here and and a new GM whos smarter than this guy who put us in this spot and lets go watch a bunch of ddvs for awhile. im in. wouldnt be the end of the world. i would double down hard on not giving a **** about championships in this horse **** league tho

[Iheartfootball]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

Yes, really if you look at recent years and current winning teams the model we all think of (be bad, get high picks, get good) really hasn't worked. The only examples would be OKC until it all crashed down and Philly. The same bad teams are consistently picking in the top 10 and don't really get anywhere. Probably some grey areas here of teams that dipped for a year and happened to snag a good guy in that one year, like Denver/Murray and Dallas/Luka. But those weren't all out tank jobs at anypoint. Basic lesson is smart teams continue to be smart regardless of where they pick, and being in warm weather markets is a big advantage so picks aren't essential for them. Unfortunately the Bucks are not in a good location and are not a smart well run team.

if giannis doesnt resign which means hes jetting then it just is what it is. get some young guys in here and and a new GM whos smarter than this guy who put us in this spot and lets go watch a bunch of ddvs for awhile. im in. wouldnt be the end of the world. i would double down hard on not giving a **** about championships in this horse **** league tho

If they lose Giannis, I'm confident this ownership group is going to turn the Bucks into Herb Kohl 2.0. 8th seed year after year.

[TD75]

On a positive note, based on the report a few pages ago, I definitely prefer Jrue Holiday than Victor Oladipo in the Bucks (assuming of course that the Bucks give up similar things in both potential trades).

[EastSideBucksFan]

If they lose Giannis, I'm confident this ownership group is going to turn the Bucks into Herb Kohl 2.0. 8th seed year after year.

If they lose Giannis, I would think they explore selling the team before the value craters, but the loss of Giannis alone probably takes a few hundred million off the current valuation alone.

[Gianstoppable]

Btw I'm dissing the bucks because after the 4-1 defeat from the Heat I promised to himself not to take us seriously unless we fix the Bledsoe problem and surround Giannis with shooters that actually make their shots in the off season.

We did fix the Bledsoe problem but I'm still not sure about the "shooters" we got until I watch them play and make shots when it matters(playoffs). With Bud as a coach we need shooters in order to punish the wall and/or allow Giannis to drive. There is no plan B.

So I will not make the mistake and "hope" that they will do it this season. After 7 years as a bucks fan I know that hope is a mistake.

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

So for 3pt shooters that were elite we lost Hill. Thats it. We really didnt lose any other shooters. Ersan is a nothing, RoLo is a nothing, Marvin had a short flash but besides that nothing, Korver was a shell, Bledsoe was a negative come playoffs. The issue is besides Jrue we didnt get the flashy names but we most definitely are a better shooting team all around, IMO

[ABucksFan]

If they lose Giannis, I'm confident this ownership group is going to turn the Bucks into Herb Kohl 2.0. 8th seed year after year.

If they lose Giannis, I would think they explore selling the team before the value craters, but the loss of Giannis alone probably takes a few hundred million off the current valuation alone.

If the Bucks get sold that's fine. If they got moved...man I'd be really depressed lol. With the new arena though, no way they'd get moved right? They're probably here for good? I don't know too much about the details behind that.

[fansinceforever]

miami did not make the finals because of lotto picks. neither did denver. neither did toronto. neither did the jazz. etc etc. losing our picks makes it tougher but 10 other picks with lots of salary flexibility over 3-4 years can still give us a bright future

Uhh what? Denver, the Jazz and Miami all have extremely important players that they acquired in the lottery.

[Prez]

Btw I'm dissing the bucks because after the 4-1 defeat from the Heat I promised to himself not to take us seriously unless we fix the Bledsoe problem and surround Giannis with shooters that actually make their shots in the off season.

We did fix the Bledsoe problem but I'm still not sure about the "shooters" we got until I watch them play and make shots when it matters(playoffs). With Bud as a coach we need shooters in order to punish the wall and/or allow Giannis to drive. There is no plan B.

So I will not make the mistake and "hope" that they will do it this season. After 7 years as a bucks fan I know that hope is a mistake.

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

Do you also know that Giannis frequently shows bad decision making against top tier half court playoff defenses and a completely unreliable offensive game outside of 8 feet? Because that's as big a problem as almost anything you have listed there. Giannis flat out sucked against Miami and wasn't our best player in that series, arguably wasn't even 2nd.

This need to deflect all blame to the shooters, Bud, etc (who all deserve to be criticized to be sure) is weird considering Giannis is probably the worst offensive player in the playoffs among the superstar guys (Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Luka, Jokic, Davis) by some distance and the limitations in his game have been glaring in both elimination series.

[VooDoo7]

Just imagine if we had the #2 pick in the 2017 or 2018 draft. We had the worst timing for the #2 pick. If we had a guy to pair with Khris and Giannis on a rookie deal plus add in a guy like Jrue we would easily roll the East and thats just hitting on one, albeit, major player

The 2016-17 season, Middleton came back and we finished like 16-7 to get to 42 wins. We missed Bam by 3 picks, Mitchell by 4 picks that next draft. There were five teams within 2 wins of us.

Silver lining: Bucks probably still would've drafted D.J Wilson.

[VooDoo7]

If I was Giannis, I'd take the money.

The guy is going to tear his ACL eventually from one of those 8ft euro steps.

WTF is wrong with you??

Anyways, even if we don't win a title in the next few year, I doubt Giannis asks for a trade. He's just THAT loyal.

[buckboy]

If they lose Giannis, I'm confident this ownership group is going to turn the Bucks into Herb Kohl 2.0. 8th seed year after year.

If they lose Giannis, I would think they explore selling the team before the value craters, but the loss of Giannis alone probably takes a few hundred million off the current valuation alone.

If the Bucks get sold that's fine. If they got moved...man I'd be really depressed lol. With the new arena though, no way they'd get moved right? They're probably here for good? I don't know too much about the details behind that.

There is a large penalty for breaking the lease (PP25 knows the exact figure), but I don't think it would be large enough to stop them from moving the team. Anyone with different information feel free to correct me.

Edit: This article is old, but it seems to have the relevant info. Looks like at least $200,000,000 and likely more if it happens soon. That's a ton of money, but it doesn't seem to me that it's enough to stop them from moving the team if they really want to. Seattle would give them such a sweetheart deal that the $300,000,000 (or whatever the # is) might not dissuade them.


https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2016/04/13/milwaukee-bucks-arena-costs-rise-30-year-lease.html

Further edit: I really don't think they're moving in the next 20 years, just pointing out that it is a possibility if the owners want it bad enough.

[Chad34]

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

Do you also know that Giannis frequently shows bad decision making against top tier half court playoff defenses and a completely unreliable offensive game outside of 8 feet? Because that's as big a problem as almost anything you have listed there. Giannis flat out sucked against Miami and wasn't our best player in that series, arguably wasn't even 2nd.

This need to deflect all blame to the shooters, Bud, etc (who all deserve to be criticized to be sure) is weird considering Giannis is probably the worst offensive player in the playoffs among the superstar guys (Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Luka, Jokic, Davis) by some distance and the limitations in his game have been glaring in both elimination series.

Giannis scored more points per game than most of those players, and he has more gravity offensively. Sure others may be able to shoot better, but if we're going to go by that, should we put someone like brin forbes at the top of the list? To me Giannis biggest fault was/is fts, but i have an excuse for those too along with "trying to do too much". He's giving more and expected to do more than other superstars since he plays both ways, so fatigue becomes a factor physically and mentally. Also whenever Giannis played within the system (trusting it) people complain Giannis needs to do more. I mean there was no one who could really do anything else to take pressure off giannis (that bud would utilize consistently like brook and midds in the post). you can only drag something so far until you need a little help. i didn't see the same competitive spirit other than giannis like you saw in most of the heat players. they had a will to win, were fresher, and a lot more physical. I'm hoping a younger, more versatile roster will be the difference this year. Sorry for the long post

[greekbuck34]

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

Do you also know that Giannis frequently shows bad decision making against top tier half court playoff defenses and a completely unreliable offensive game outside of 8 feet? Because that's as big a problem as almost anything you have listed there. Giannis flat out sucked against Miami and wasn't our best player in that series, arguably wasn't even 2nd.

This need to deflect all blame to the shooters, Bud, etc (who all deserve to be criticized to be sure) is weird considering Giannis is probably the worst offensive player in the playoffs among the superstar guys (Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Luka, Jokic, Davis) by some distance and the limitations in his game have been glaring in both elimination series.

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This is trash shooting. TRASH. Giannis is the best SLASHER in the game right now. He can beat anybody 1v1 with the best rim protector waiting for him at the rim. He just needs the right or the left side open for him to drive and dunk or kick the ball and the Bucks until now couldn't provide that.

Giannis passing the ball to wide open Bledsoe, or Brown, or DDV or Pat C etc for a brick is bad decision making.
Giannis trying to beat 3 elite defenders by himself is bad decision making.
Giannis trying to make open 3s instead of Bledsoe, Brown or DDV etc is bad decision making.

You know what's the worst decision?
The Bucks not replacing the bad shooters in our roster with ones that teams can't risk of letting them wide open.

Giannis passing the ball to wide open Hero, Robinson, Crowder, Dragic is good decision making and we know he would do that instead of driving in a wall of 3 elite defenders and we know they would make their shots and attact 1-2 defenders on them allowing Giannis to drive and cause terror.

Giannis didn't have this decision available. Imo he won't have it this season either because a bunch of unknown rookies and B tier level players won't make their shots in the playoffs.

This is Giannis' level at creating 3p shots and going at the rim.
This is what makes this squad a contender and not a 7-8 seed in the east and the Bucks can't provide good enough spacing for him to drive either left or right.

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[Daver]

So they literally did what you wanted but you are going to wait until the playoffs to see if the new guys can hit a high clip in a small sample size so you dont rush judgement. Lol k

They fixed Bledsoe and as I've said in the previous days I think we somehow managed to be worse at shooting this year. This should be an accomplishment for the FO but its not a surprice because it took all our assets just to fix Bledsoe for 2 years of Jrue.

So no they didn't do what I wanted and I will not make the mistake of hoping that guys like DDV, Pat C, DJ Wilson, Tony Craig, will suddenly transform to good shooters or that guys like Forbes will be less of an embarrasment than the 40y Korver in defense or that DJ Augustine will be more clutch and better at 3p% that G.Hill was or that Bobby Portis will be better than whatever Robin Lopez and Marvin Williams were etc.

I know who is Bud after 2 seasons. Great plan A . No plan B.
I know they will counter our plan A with an elite wall of defenders in front of Giannis.
I know we need elite shooting to beat that.
I know what's elite shooting actually is because other playoff teams have it for years.
And I know that 99% it will be the death of us unless a miracle happens and Giannis and the rest of the bucks have a lucky streak of shooting in the games that matter.

Do you also know that Giannis frequently shows bad decision making against top tier half court playoff defenses and a completely unreliable offensive game outside of 8 feet? Because that's as big a problem as almost anything you have listed there. Giannis flat out sucked against Miami and wasn't our best player in that series, arguably wasn't even 2nd.

This need to deflect all blame to the shooters, Bud, etc (who all deserve to be criticized to be sure) is weird considering Giannis is probably the worst offensive player in the playoffs among the superstar guys (Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Luka, Jokic, Davis) by some distance and the limitations in his game have been glaring in both elimination series.

Yet 2 years in a row it was bleds to blame not giannis doesnt matter if giannis sucked 2 years in a row in the playoffs or midds shoots 7-28 with 8 TOs it was all bleds fault .....hypocracy lots of it

[thonnisbeastley]

If I was Giannis, I'd take the money.

The guy is going to tear his ACL eventually from one of those 8ft euro steps.

WTF is wrong with you??

Anyways, even if we don't win a title in the next few year, I doubt Giannis asks for a trade. He's just THAT loyal.

Just a realist sir.