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Post#1661 » by har13 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 11:05 am

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har13 wrote:Poor posts, very poor most of your last posts.

Not because of what a player you believe Giannis is but the way you speak is... judging him as a player is not enough for you , you judge his personality and the man he is, really poor .... if some here are "fanboys" then you clearly a "haterboy", as many as you said are not correct i'm not sure if i m too, you are a hater for sure but are you a boy or an old man?


You are from Greece too?

See, I was just like you guys. I become Bucks fan when Kukoc was traded to Bucks. I was Kukoc fan as he is from my country. Fanboy indeed. He could do no wrong for me.

But that was 17 years ago. I am now 44 years old and I understand how irritating I was back then. :D

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Post#1662 » by Cythaps » Tue Dec 1, 2020 11:09 am

Sigra wrote:Are you from Greece too?


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Post#1663 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 11:16 am

:lol: Read this kids:
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Mid-way through the questions one member noticed that Charlie had changed his myspace headline to “Sigra is the man,” and asked why he though so highly of that member. Bell explained that he agrees with Sigra’s philosophy when it comes to guarding the opposing point guard. “Sigra and Pat Riley have the same idea. Frustrate the starting PG from the start. Throw him off kilter, therefore throwing the whole team off kilter.”


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Post#1664 » by Cythaps » Tue Dec 1, 2020 11:39 am

Haha

"Kids, nobody knows more basketball than me" Trump vibes. You're tha man. Are you really not ashamed to post this? Do you think it will make you look good? It's fascinating.
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Post#1665 » by DutchManDanFan » Tue Dec 1, 2020 11:58 am

Cythaps wrote:Haha

"Kids, nobody knows more basketball than me" Trump vibes. You're tha man. Are you really not ashamed to post this? Do you think it will make you look good? It's fascinating.

It makes him look great. Just like Kukoc made Gadz look great (and making him a rich man).

That's why Sigra and I are bff now and loyal Bucks fans until the end of days. He can do no wrong.
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Post#1666 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 12:28 pm

Cythaps wrote:Haha

"Kids, nobody knows more basketball than me" Trump vibes. You're tha man. Are you really not ashamed to post this? Do you think it will make you look good? It's fascinating.


Nope. This was not about knowledge. This is reaction to you calling me troll. Member with 144 posts say that another member with 14.269 posts is troll. Are you really not ashamed to post that? I am here 15 years plus few more years at JS forum (from where many of us came here). You have no idea how much I contributed here in that 17 years. So I try to help you understand. Maybe you will maybe you will not but calling me troll is soooo funny :lol:
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Post#1667 » by Cythaps » Tue Dec 1, 2020 1:06 pm

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Cythaps wrote:Haha

"Kids, nobody knows more basketball than me" Trump vibes. You're tha man. Are you really not ashamed to post this? Do you think it will make you look good? It's fascinating.


Nope. This was not about knowledge. This is reaction to you calling me troll. Member with 144 posts say that another member with 14.269 posts is troll. Are you really not ashamed to post that? I am here 15 years plus few more years at JS forum (from where many of us came here). You have no idea how much I contributed here in that 17 years. So I try to help you understand. Maybe you will maybe you will not but calling me troll is soooo funny :lol:


The guy you remind me of has 43k tweets. He's still a troll.

If you want more respect maybe stop calling other people fanboys and kids. 14k posts don't earn you respect, nor do your 318 And1 earn you disrespect.
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Post#1668 » by har13 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 1:15 pm

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Cythaps wrote:Haha

"Kids, nobody knows more basketball than me" Trump vibes. You're tha man. Are you really not ashamed to post this? Do you think it will make you look good? It's fascinating.


Nope. This was not about knowledge. This is reaction to you calling me troll. Member with 144 posts say that another member with 14.269 posts is troll. Are you really not ashamed to post that? I am here 15 years plus few more years at JS forum (from where many of us came here). You have no idea how much I contributed here in that 17 years. So I try to help you understand. Maybe you will maybe you will not but calling me troll is soooo funny :lol:

I agree you are not a troll, but friend go back and read your posts. its clear hate about Giannis as a player and most important as a person, you can't say half the truth... for example what Curry did at age 25, Lebron or even the GOAT Jordan? Thats a simply one cause you said so many non accurate things about his game and his personality.

You called yourself a Kukoc fanboy and that he never did wrong in your eyes but at the same time you came after people you believe they are Giannis fanboys, why you did that? You must know better... you was one of them, your posts are pure 100% hate.

I m 47 years old, i was a Galis fanboy friend as a boy and i don't feel bad about it, but what is a fanboy to you? For me is not the same , i never close my eyes to the truth even for my favorite team or my favorite players, you did close your eyes to the truth as you said as young man for Kukoc, maybe you doing the same thing for players you don't like?

Greek fans that you quoted are here because of Giannis of course, but bring me posts that prove that Greekbuck that Pachinko or even myself are the same kind of fans like you was (you said it not me) with Kukoc? Read their posts or mine before..
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Post#1669 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:33 pm

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Best offensive player must be able to take over in last 3 minutes. Our cant. And I think he shouldnt have that role at all. The problem is that he wants that role. You can blame coach all day but I think it is Giannis who wants to be Jordan, Kobe, Lebron (guy with ball in his hands when game is on line). And he is just not that.


Agree that Giannis wants to be the man at the end of games. And he doesn't have the offensive game like LeBron or Durant (or even AD).

The challenge is that I'm not sure any of our other guys have end of game takeover ability either, so Giannis figures either he does the job, or it doesn't get done. He's Shaq without the Kobe.

This was my issue with paying Middleton all that money. If you're going to spend $178 million, the guy needs to be able to take over games. Otherwise divide the money up and improve on the quality of your top seven guys (i.e the keep Malcom/sign Bojan path from a year ago).
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Post#1670 » by Frank Nova » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:53 pm

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Best offensive player must be able to take over in last 3 minutes. Our cant. And I think he shouldnt have that role at all. The problem is that he wants that role. You can blame coach all day but I think it is Giannis who wants to be Jordan, Kobe, Lebron (guy with ball in his hands when game is on line). And he is just not that.


Agree that Giannis wants to be the man at the end of games. And he doesn't have the offensive game like LeBron or Durant (or even AD).

The challenge is that I'm not sure any of our other guys have end of game takeover ability either, so Giannis figures either he does the job, or it doesn't get done. He's Shaq without the Kobe.

This was my issue with paying Middleton all that money. If you're going to spend $178 million, the guy needs to be able to take over games. Otherwise divide the money up and improve on the quality of your top seven guys (i.e the keep Malcom/sign Bojan path from a year ago).


To be fair, we’ve definitely seen Middleton take over games before, playoffs and regular season. Your point is still valid but trying to throw Middleton and his contract under the bus to save face for Giannis seems off putting. Unless I misinterpreted your point. If we were able to pair Giannis with James Harden or someone like that, that’s the only way Giannis will get his Kobe or D Wade. Them dudes don’t exactly fall out of thin air. We haven’t seen Holiday in a Bucks uniform yet, he’s a lot closer to players like that than Bledsoe was atleast.
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Post#1671 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:06 pm

har13 wrote:its clear hate about Giannis as a player and most important as a person


I don't hate Giannis as a player. Actually, I LOVE Giannis as a player. His defense, his fast breaks, his energy is what make us great and what makes him MVP for reason. I would hate to lose player like that.

But he is not what he thinks he is. And you are right that I don't like his attitude. Honestly, I wouldn't care about him as a person or his opinion if he doesn't force our front office to run this team according to his wishes. He is now our GM basically saying who should we trade for and who should we sign. And he is clearly doing that based on his opinion that he is playmaker/decision maker who just need shooters. It is rather clear that he gave order to Bucks "bring me shooters". So they brought crazy Portis because you know he is big who can shoot. So they brought a little Forbes because he can shoot. We even traded our future so that we can have SG Jrue playing PG position. We are doing everything to make him happy. And then If he is wrong that we need shooters (with him dominating ball) then he will just ask for trade.

Yeah, I don't like his attitude at all.

har13 wrote:Greek fans that you quoted are here because of Giannis of course, but bring me posts that prove that they are the same kind of fans like you was (you said it not me) with Kukoc?


It looks to me that most (not all of course) Greek fans fail to see that we don't need shooters. We need playmakers. Because Giannis is not good half court playmaker. Looks to me that other posters realize that but Greeks think "he is great but his teammates are bad so he cant play against wall". It is exactly the same way how I was making excuses for Kukoc (Redd and Mo are selfish, coach sucks etc) while in reality Toni was old and done.
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Post#1672 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:15 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Agree that Giannis wants to be the man at the end of games. And he doesn't have the offensive game like LeBron or Durant (or even AD).

The challenge is that I'm not sure any of our other guys have end of game takeover ability either, so Giannis figures either he does the job, or it doesn't get done. He's Shaq without the Kobe.

This was my issue with paying Middleton all that money. If you're going to spend $178 million, the guy needs to be able to take over games. Otherwise divide the money up and improve on the quality of your top seven guys (i.e the keep Malcom/sign Bojan path from a year ago).


Agree. However he (Giannis) is now forcing our GM to get shooters. He knows that we MUST do everything to make him happy. And he said "get me shooters". At the same time we need playmakers and better decision makers with ball in close playoffs games. Not only at the end of game but for entire game. Plus he eliminate himself from game with off fouls because he force to be what he is not.

So we should find player or players who will be that playmakers but how to do that if Giannis wants shooters and force us to get shooters. AND if at the end his plan fail, he will not say "oh, I was wrong to force you make that trades". Nope. He will say "ok, Bucks are not good enough I want you to trade me".

Yeah, I dont like his attitude at all. If he wants right to be traded if Bucks are not good enough then he should let Bucks improve team the way GM wants. But if Giannis wants to be GM then he cant ask for right to be traded. Its just not fair.
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Post#1673 » by BuckFan25226 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:19 pm

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Best offensive player must be able to take over in last 3 minutes. Our cant. And I think he shouldnt have that role at all. The problem is that he wants that role. You can blame coach all day but I think it is Giannis who wants to be Jordan, Kobe, Lebron (guy with ball in his hands when game is on line). And he is just not that.


Agree that Giannis wants to be the man at the end of games. And he doesn't have the offensive game like LeBron or Durant (or even AD).

The challenge is that I'm not sure any of our other guys have end of game takeover ability either, so Giannis figures either he does the job, or it doesn't get done. He's Shaq without the Kobe.

This was my issue with paying Middleton all that money. If you're going to spend $178 million, the guy needs to be able to take over games. Otherwise divide the money up and improve on the quality of your top seven guys (i.e the keep Malcom/sign Bojan path from a year ago).


I'm hoping Holiday steps more into that role at the ends of games. He can facilitate and score when needed. Lord knows Bledsoe wanted none of that smoke when it came playoff time.
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Post#1674 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:38 pm

Cythaps wrote: nor do your 318 And1 earn you disrespect.


There was no and1 option when I made most of those posts ;)
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Post#1675 » by Brewhoopfan » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:45 pm

The best role for Giannis in crunch time is as the screener in pick and rolls. The defense has to give him a lot of attention. I'd even be fine with Holiday attacking the big most of the time on the switch. Giannis is going to clean up any misses anyways. You'll also force a switch for Giannis to take advantage of, or it forces chaos as the defense immediately has to rotate.

Lebron has taken a lot of criticism for not being the player taking the shots at the end of games. It's true, but what he's brilliant at is orchestrating the action to force defensive switches creating great matchups for his teammates. You're never going to give Giannis a mismatch on the block having 5 guys standing on the perimeter.
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Post#1676 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:52 pm

If Giannis complains about coach I would be 100% at his side though. If he ask for better playoff coach I will be super happy.

But it looks like he likes this coach. Bud system does make Giannis looks even better in regular season so maybe that's why. But playoffs should be priority.

So I would like to confirm before I continue with this talk. Does Giannis still support coach Bud?
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Post#1677 » by har13 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:58 pm

Sigra wrote:
har13 wrote:its clear hate about Giannis as a player and most important as a person


I don't hate Giannis as a player. Actually, I LOVE Giannis as a player. His defense, his fast breaks, his energy is what make us great and what makes him MVP for reason. I would hate to lose player like that.

But he is not what he thinks he is. And you are right that I don't like his attitude. Honestly, I wouldn't care about him as a person or his opinion if he doesn't force our front office to run this team according to his wishes. He is now our GM basically saying who should we trade for and who should we sign. And he is clearly doing that based on his opinion that he is playmaker/decision maker who just need shooters. It is rather clear that he gave order to Bucks "bring me shooters". So they brought crazy Portis because you know he is big who can shoot. So they brought a little Forbes because he can shoot. We even traded our future so that we can have SG Jrue playing PG position. We are doing everything to make him happy. And then If he is wrong that we need shooters (with him dominating ball) then he will just ask for trade.

Yeah, I don't like his attitude at all.

har13 wrote:Greek fans that you quoted are here because of Giannis of course, but bring me posts that prove that they are the same kind of fans like you was (you said it not me) with Kukoc?


It looks to me that most (not all of course) Greek fans fail to see that we don't need shooters. We need playmakers. Because Giannis is not good half court playmaker. Looks to me that other posters realize that but Greeks think "he is great but his teammates are bad so he cant play against wall". It is exactly the same way how I was making excuses for Kukoc (Redd and Mo are selfish, coach sucks etc) while in reality Toni was old and done.

Sorry man but you are lying about Giannis and also lying about Greek fans too.

Exactly why most of us wanted Bogdan is that he is a playmaker also, exactly why i and most guys wanted upgrade both guard positions, the FO called Giannis and he told them what he believes the best for the Bucks was, i want to go and tell them what they must do, why Giannis can't have an opinion?

In your posts you tell people that Giannis wanted Bogdan over Holiday, completely false, bucks front office, Giannis and most of us here wanted a better point guard, is not true? Also Giannis told them that is a good idea to bring Bogdan too. Why is a bad idea? Why you and i have an opinion but Giannis can't have one? Why adding a player like Bogdan who is exactly the player you speak about is not good for you? Because Giannis said so?

Lets talk about Greekbuck34 you speak about, Do you read his posts? He wanted Bogdan too or a player than can be also a playmaker like you said, we or him or Giannis don't prefer Bogdan over Holiday, we say both, how difficult for you is to understand that?

Did we bring Bogdan? No, so what Greekbuck is saying is better to have players who can shoot with Giannis if you can't have both, is he wrong? Is good to play Donte with 33% with Giannis? Is he better playmaker that Bogdan? If he is not what is exactly your problem with what Greekbuck34 is saying?

All the press, we here and all the world is saying that Giannis need good shooters around him, not the Greeks, stop that bull ok?
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Post#1678 » by har13 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 4:07 pm

Man really i give up...Giannis told them to bring Portis and Forbes... or Holiday came because Giannis wants shooters... is Holiday a good shooter? ... I give up..
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Post#1679 » by Sigra » Tue Dec 1, 2020 4:17 pm

Bogdan is playmaker maybe in Europe or with Kings (terrible team) 2nd unit. He is not playmaker in title contender. Cmon

Jrue is SG. Looks like Giannis dream to start together with two SGs
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