Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[GiggitySmalls]

Somebody tweet this out or instaface it and maybe zion will respond. He would more than likely say he does not want to fight McGregor.

[SichtingLives]

This argument is so stupid that it is sigworthy.

He has to be trolling. There is no way someone with 10 years of training would say things like that.

Not going to get into it. The stupid underlined area simply meant that if Zion had no clue how to fight, he would need some basic training. Obviously, he knows something. Seriously, anybody who thinks McGregor would beat Zion is fully ready for Idiocracy.

Just imagine a prime McGregor vs a 50 year old Tyson. Or think of you against a 50 year old Barkley. This whole topic is silly. Too many people watching Kung Fu movies and thinking its reality.

your trolling sux real bad bro

[kazyv]

It is not possible for a guy to win a fair fight giving up 100 pounds of muscle. None.

Just imagine you, the average guy fighting the biggest guy you ever met in your life. Zion has hundreds of ways to win the fight and McGregor has just a few options. Also, in an alley fight, there are no rules so Zion could easily get out of any ground and pound situation by attacking eyes or groin. Zion could literally pick up McGregor and throw him through a wall.

Just imagine the scene in Friday where Zibo is chasing Katt Williams and replace them with Zion and McGregor.

My guess is that you have never been in a fight before. Zion only has one chance at winning and that's landing a wild haymaker that he never expected to land.

McGregor could beat Zion anyway he pleased. Whether it's standing up or on the ground. Zion won't have the technique to take McGregor down and he doesn't have the skills to outstrike Connor. McGregor can finish Zion whichever way he decides.

Zions chances of beating McGregor in a street fight slim to none and slim just left town. The fact that this even a debate shows the lack of knowledge and experience people on these forums have when it comes to fighting.

Zion or any NBA players would get slept by McGregor or any half decent fighter.

Actually, I have dedicated around 10 years of my life to the study of a specific style of Chinese Kung Fu called Tong Lung so I really do know what I am talking about. I am not saying 100 pounds between a guy that is 250lb vs 350lb. I am talking about a guy that is 170lb vs an in-shape 275lb monster. Every fighter has a punchers chance, but Zion would literally destroy McGregor if he had 6 hours of fight training and strategy prep. It’s just an impossible task. Even Bruce Lee at his peak would not stand a chance against Zion in a serious street fight. It’s too much of a weight and strength difference, not to mention height (leverage) and reach.

I will also say specific to your comments. 1. What makes you think Zion can only throw haymakers? 2. Standing would be destructive for McGregor. He lacks reach and power while Zion has excess in both. 3. What in OP’s instructions indicates a ring and a ref. Alleys and real fights are very constrictive. You simply cannot run and weave unless you are in a ring. 4. On the ground, Zion would just lift McGregor off him via strength, like a bench press. Let’s see McGregor bench Zion. Plus, for those that are not well versed in MMA, on the ground fighting is a terrible technique without rules. You expose your eyes, groin, hair, mouth etc. You also expose your back to secondary attackers. Real fights almost never end in ground and pound - that requires rules and a referee.

In a ring, with gloves, McGregor has a much better chance - say 10% instead of 2% on the street. There is a reason they have weight classes in boxing and MMA. If McGregor wanted to beat Zion he would need to become better versed in strikes to the neck, eyes or temples but we are assuming he fights his type of fight, in which case he loses pretty badly barring a miracle.

if the rest of the post didn't give it away, the bolded part sure does. no you don't have an idea what you are talking about. in a fight, you don't just get to grab somebody with impunity, because they don't just let you. you have to fight for every inch. when you try to go on the offense, you expose yourself to your opponent. this is where this whole idea falls apart, because zion without training, as 6 hours of training might as well be no training at all, isn't going to be able to do **** before being on the receiving end to endless techniques.

[longtallbrad]

The differential is over 115 lbs.

So, for context if we assume the average grown male is 200lbs -115lbs = 85lbs.

Take the world's most elite 85lb pre-teen, who could have been training since birth. So, if the argument for McGregor holds true the kid should win. Right?

A street fight isn't just about the math. Both on the street and in the ring I have seen much smaller guys pick bigger guys apart by being quick enough to elude attempted strikes, get inside the guard, and hit the point of the jaw or reverse a takedown into a submission. In Brazilian jiujitsu I have been that overwhelmed and outmatched big guy many times, picked apart by a vastly more skilled opponent weighing one hundred pounds less than me. But when I'm matched against a smaller opponent with about the same skills or who is just a bit more skilled, I usually come out best.

Not to compare myself to Zion Williamson. He's a physical beast and very quick and agile for his size. But his size and reach can actually turn into disadvantages if matched against a significantly more skilled, smaller fighter.

[Midw35t]

My guess is that you have never been in a fight before. Zion only has one chance at winning and that's landing a wild haymaker that he never expected to land.

McGregor could beat Zion anyway he pleased. Whether it's standing up or on the ground. Zion won't have the technique to take McGregor down and he doesn't have the skills to outstrike Connor. McGregor can finish Zion whichever way he decides.

Zions chances of beating McGregor in a street fight slim to none and slim just left town. The fact that this even a debate shows the lack of knowledge and experience people on these forums have when it comes to fighting.

Zion or any NBA players would get slept by McGregor or any half decent fighter.

Actually, I have dedicated around 10 years of my life to the study of a specific style of Chinese Kung Fu called Tong Lung so I really do know what I am talking about. I am not saying 100 pounds between a guy that is 250lb vs 350lb. I am talking about a guy that is 170lb vs an in-shape 275lb monster. Every fighter has a punchers chance, but Zion would literally destroy McGregor if he had 6 hours of fight training and strategy prep. It’s just an impossible task. Even Bruce Lee at his peak would not stand a chance against Zion in a serious street fight. It’s too much of a weight and strength difference, not to mention height (leverage) and reach.

I will also say specific to your comments. 1. What makes you think Zion can only throw haymakers? 2. Standing would be destructive for McGregor. He lacks reach and power while Zion has excess in both. 3. What in OP’s instructions indicates a ring and a ref. Alleys and real fights are very constrictive. You simply cannot run and weave unless you are in a ring. 4. On the ground, Zion would just lift McGregor off him via strength, like a bench press. Let’s see McGregor bench Zion. Plus, for those that are not well versed in MMA, on the ground fighting is a terrible technique without rules. You expose your eyes, groin, hair, mouth etc. You also expose your back to secondary attackers. Real fights almost never end in ground and pound - that requires rules and a referee.

In a ring, with gloves, McGregor has a much better chance - say 10% instead of 2% on the street. There is a reason they have weight classes in boxing and MMA. If McGregor wanted to beat Zion he would need to become better versed in strikes to the neck, eyes or temples but we are assuming he fights his type of fight, in which case he loses pretty badly barring a miracle.

if the rest of the post didn't give it away, the bolded part sure does. no you don't have an idea what you are talking about. in a fight, you don't just get to grab somebody with impunity, because they don't just let you. you have to fight for every inch. when you try to go on the offense, you expose yourself to your opponent. this is where this whole idea falls apart, because zion without training, as 6 hours of training might as well be no training at all, isn't going to be able to do **** before being on the receiving end to endless techniques.

That person is overtly bull; a pure liar. Any MMA scrub is just going to destroy your ankle, elbow, neck, knee, shoulder. He isn't wrestling 280 lbs, he is wrestling a few pounds and destroying your ligaments. Now you enter a world class one, and a guy who claims to have 10 years of experience training believes a guy can beat that vet with 6 hours of training? Who the fook is this guy?

[Galloisdaman]

Someone has to punch first, right? And it usually happens unexpectedly in street fights... That doesn't mean it's a 'sucker' punch... Sucker punching to me would be like if Conor was taking a shot of his Proper Twelve whiskey with his back turned and doesn't see Zion coming from behind with a hit to his head...

What about if the two are yapping at each other and then Zion throws a punch first, or just decides to charge at him? Does that put him in a 'sucker' category?

Clinch situation lol. You've lived through one too many UFC fights vicariously my friend... If Zion decides to charge Conor before Conor can react (which would be the smartest way of approaching the fight from his perspective) there is no clinch... The two hit the ground and then the onus is on McGregor to outwrestle a 6'6'', 285 pound dude off him before he gets too many shots to the head which is bouncing off the concrete...

If someone can do that it's certainly going to be a professionally trained wrestler, but it definitely won't be as easy as some of the guys here make it sound just because Zion has zero training. He's still 6'6'' and has 120 pounds on Conor, and it's entirely possible Conor's back is up against some obstacle where he cant fully move about.

If Connor is on his feet all he would do is use his very good kicks to quickly take out Zion's bad knee.

Zions body may be 260 pounds but his neck, arms, knees, and feet are not 260 pounds. If any of them are exposed on the ground its lights out for any well trained BJJ guy. Zion is a amateur. The neck would be choked. The ankle or foot would be in a lock. The arm would be in an arm bar.

I think the whole thread is made for a "brawl" to throw in an unknown factor because people know in a ring it would be over.

So is there a chance in a backyard brawl? Sure nobody can say what would happen. Maybe somebody in a backyard will grab a shovel and hit the other over the head. There also is a chance that Zion is one of the worst fighters in the NBA.

Maybe Conor will slip on a banana peel Tom and Jerry style and step right into a upper cut

I forgot about the banana peel possibility for Zion winning. Good call!

[Myth]

Doens't matter. Martial Arts was designed exactly to equal a seemingly disadvantage.
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When you're talking 100lbs plus advantage, most of that goes out the door.

Like, for comparison. With weight differential, for most people that's like fighting a grade schooler as an adult male.

I don't care how well trained a you are as a 12 year old, the odds aren't on your side. Anything you do doesn't generate enough force to matter, you can't even turn to grappling. It has to be relatively close in terms of weight, for the training to matter.

haha no true. A choke hold will stop the blood from flowing no matter what. We're not a 12 year old, we talking a world class fighter who trains with men 70-100 pounds heavier regularly.

Weight also isn't going to matter when we are talking about getting hit in the head. A 12 year old doesn't have the strength to knock somebody out. McGreggor is strong enough to knock anybody out in the world. So is Zion, but I'm pretty sure the skill of McGreggor is going to lead to better and more hits. And that is just the punches.

[Galloisdaman]

I'm not a McGregor fan at all. But he'll knock Zion out in 5 seconds easily

This. People who fight for a living hit hard. Very hard. Their knuckles are calcified from the constant use. They're not easy to hit either. You'd be luck to land any type of real punch.

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When I was a senior in high school I once spared with a small golden gloves boxer in my buddies backyard. He insisted that I wear head gear. He did not. In my brain I just thought if I could just land 1 hard punch he would go down. Well he was very hard to hit at all but finally he let me hit him. Newsflash. In fact he let me hit him a few times. He did not go down. He just smiled. I got so frustrated that I could not knock him down that I tried to wrestle him. I lost that by a lot as well, lol.

[Meat]

zion has as much chance as connor does in a 1 on 1 pickup game.

[Sisqo]

Anyone who picks Zion doesn't understand fighting.

[magicman1978]

Actually, I have dedicated around 10 years of my life to the study of a specific style of Chinese Kung Fu called Tong Lung so I really do know what I am talking about. I am not saying 100 pounds between a guy that is 250lb vs 350lb. I am talking about a guy that is 170lb vs an in-shape 275lb monster. Every fighter has a punchers chance, but Zion would literally destroy McGregor if he had 6 hours of fight training and strategy prep. It’s just an impossible task. Even Bruce Lee at his peak would not stand a chance against Zion in a serious street fight. It’s too much of a weight and strength difference, not to mention height (leverage) and reach.

I will also say specific to your comments. 1. What makes you think Zion can only throw haymakers? 2. Standing would be destructive for McGregor. He lacks reach and power while Zion has excess in both. 3. What in OP’s instructions indicates a ring and a ref. Alleys and real fights are very constrictive. You simply cannot run and weave unless you are in a ring. 4. On the ground, Zion would just lift McGregor off him via strength, like a bench press. Let’s see McGregor bench Zion. Plus, for those that are not well versed in MMA, on the ground fighting is a terrible technique without rules. You expose your eyes, groin, hair, mouth etc. You also expose your back to secondary attackers. Real fights almost never end in ground and pound - that requires rules and a referee.

In a ring, with gloves, McGregor has a much better chance - say 10% instead of 2% on the street. There is a reason they have weight classes in boxing and MMA. If McGregor wanted to beat Zion he would need to become better versed in strikes to the neck, eyes or temples but we are assuming he fights his type of fight, in which case he loses pretty badly barring a miracle.

if the rest of the post didn't give it away, the bolded part sure does. no you don't have an idea what you are talking about. in a fight, you don't just get to grab somebody with impunity, because they don't just let you. you have to fight for every inch. when you try to go on the offense, you expose yourself to your opponent. this is where this whole idea falls apart, because zion without training, as 6 hours of training might as well be no training at all, isn't going to be able to do **** before being on the receiving end to endless techniques.

That person is overtly bull; a pure liar. Any MMA scrub is just going to destroy your ankle, elbow, neck, knee, shoulder. He isn't wrestling 280 lbs, he is wrestling a few pounds and destroying your ligaments. Now you enter a world class one, and a guy who claims to have 10 years of experience training believes a guy can beat that vet with 6 hours of training? Who the fook is this guy?

You have to consider the type of training. Nothing wrong with Tong Long, but it's not something that works against people with fight experience. If Conor uses Tong Long on Zion, he would get destroyed. The fact that this guys starts off highlighting his 10 years of experience in Tong Long to claim he knows what he's talking about proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[NO-KG-AI]

The gap in grappling between Conor and Zion is bigger than it was for Royce Gracie in his prime vs all the guys that competed back then.

Conor could knock Zion out or abandon his striking completely and pick a limb to dismantle.

[Galloisdaman]

Actually, I have dedicated around 10 years of my life to the study of a specific style of Chinese Kung Fu called Tong Lung so I really do know what I am talking about. I am not saying 100 pounds between a guy that is 250lb vs 350lb. I am talking about a guy that is 170lb vs an in-shape 275lb monster. Every fighter has a punchers chance, but Zion would literally destroy McGregor if he had 6 hours of fight training and strategy prep. It’s just an impossible task. Even Bruce Lee at his peak would not stand a chance against Zion in a serious street fight. It’s too much of a weight and strength difference, not to mention height (leverage) and reach.

I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan. I think he was amazing in many ways but Bruce was never a competitive fighter like Connor. I believe Bruce could have been a really good fighter if that was his focus and that is how he trained for years but that was not the case. Bruce was a teacher and an actor. There are very few records of Bruce in actual fights.

[Midw35t]

if the rest of the post didn't give it away, the bolded part sure does. no you don't have an idea what you are talking about. in a fight, you don't just get to grab somebody with impunity, because they don't just let you. you have to fight for every inch. when you try to go on the offense, you expose yourself to your opponent. this is where this whole idea falls apart, because zion without training, as 6 hours of training might as well be no training at all, isn't going to be able to do **** before being on the receiving end to endless techniques.

That person is overtly bull; a pure liar. Any MMA scrub is just going to destroy your ankle, elbow, neck, knee, shoulder. He isn't wrestling 280 lbs, he is wrestling a few pounds and destroying your ligaments. Now you enter a world class one, and a guy who claims to have 10 years of experience training believes a guy can beat that vet with 6 hours of training? Who the fook is this guy?

You have to consider the type of training. Nothing wrong with Tong Long, but it's not something that works against people with fight experience. If Conor uses Tong Long on Zion, he would get destroyed. The fact that this guys starts off highlighting his 10 years of experience in Tong Long to claim he knows what he's talking about proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

The guy couldn't even correctly spell the martial art he has been "practicing " for 10 years. What a dunce of a lying child.

[Midw35t]

I'm not a McGregor fan at all. But he'll knock Zion out in 5 seconds easily

This. People who fight for a living hit hard. Very hard. Their knuckles are calcified from the constant use. They're not easy to hit either. You'd be luck to land any type of real punch.

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When I was a senior in high school I once spared with a small golden gloves boxer in my buddies backyard. He insisted that I wear head gear. He did not. In my brain I just thought if I could just land 1 hard punch he would go down. Well he was very hard to hit at all but finally he let me hit him. Newsflash. In fact he let me hit him a few times. He did not go down. He just smiled. I got so frustrated that I could not knock him down that I tried to wrestle him. I lost that by a lot as well, lol.

Boxers are trained to carry the weight of the punch to minimize the impact. They also are beyond trained in cardio. Anyone who has ever fought knows how tiring it is. I just assume all of the people responding against the notion of a McGregor win are children or fake men.

[Zeitgeister]

With 6 months of training, Zion would destroy McGregor due to sheer size and power.

Hell - Look at Brock Lesnar. He had no background in mixed martial arts prior to 2007, yet after only 18 months he became UFC champion by effectively bum rushing every opponent with crazy speed and power.

You honestly think you couldn't train Zion in a 6 month period to adapt a Brock Lesnar style of fighting and use a +100lb advantage to destory McGregor.

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

[Galloisdaman]

This. People who fight for a living hit hard. Very hard. Their knuckles are calcified from the constant use. They're not easy to hit either. You'd be luck to land any type of real punch.

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When I was a senior in high school I once spared with a small golden gloves boxer in my buddies backyard. He insisted that I wear head gear. He did not. In my brain I just thought if I could just land 1 hard punch he would go down. Well he was very hard to hit at all but finally he let me hit him. Newsflash. In fact he let me hit him a few times. He did not go down. He just smiled. I got so frustrated that I could not knock him down that I tried to wrestle him. I lost that by a lot as well, lol.

Boxers are trained to carry the weight of the punch to minimize the impact. They also are beyond trained in cardio. Anyone who has ever fought knows how tiring it is. I just assume all of the people responding against the notion of a McGregor win are children or fake men.

The cardio was another problem. Even though I was a high school athlete. I was getting winded during our 3 minute rounds. Our rounds mostly consisted of me punching and him laughing.

[Meat]

At some point, size just out trumps skill. Having a 100 pounds of muscle over someone is too big to overcome. I'd bet on Zion assuming he has some level of wrestling/fighting skill.

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[magicman1978]

With 6 months of training, Zion would destroy McGregor due to sheer size and power.

Hell - Look at Brock Lesnar. He had no background in mixed martial arts prior to 2007, yet after only 18 months he became UFC champion by effectively bum rushing every opponent with crazy speed and power.

You honestly think you couldn't train Zion in a 6 month period to adapt a Brock Lesnar style of fighting and use a +100lb advantage to destory McGregor.

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was the D1 heavyweight champ in 2000 (you don't get to be a D1 champ without some skills). He started training with Miletich in 2006 and had 2.5 years of training before he fought Couture who he had at least a 60lbs weight advantage against. Couture was known for his clinch and ground and pound fighting style was average striker at best. That plays right into Brocks strong points. So Brock had at least 8 years of real wrestling experience and 2.5 years of MMA training, but you think 2 weeks is good enough for Zion? How would Zion fare against Lesnar?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Can someone add an option to the poll?
My vote is "Zion by flying gogoplata"

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