Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[Zeitgeister]

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was the D1 heavyweight champ in 2000 (you don't get to be a D1 champ without some skills). He started training with Miletich in 2006 and had 2.5 years of training before he fought Couture who he had at least a 60lbs weight advantage against. Couture was known for his clinch and ground and pound fighting style was average striker at best. That plays right into Brocks strong points. So Brock had at least 8 years of real wrestling experience and 2.5 years of MMA training, but you think 2 weeks is good enough for Zion?

What about Heath Herring? Heath had been fighting professional for two decades before he fought Brock. The experience gap couldn't be much wider between the two.

To beat someone he has a 100+ weight advantage over and a huge reach advantage, yes.

[Midw35t]

At some point, size just out trumps skill. Having a 100 pounds of muscle over someone is too big to overcome. I'd bet on Zion assuming he has some level of wrestling/fighting skill.

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Now I cant help but think about how bad that man smells. You get to a point where you are so big that you cannot wash yourself correctly without help. Then you get yourself beaten by a girl. Women are more likely to offer aide to you out of pity instead of being actually interested in you. How emasculating.

[Midw35t]

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was the D1 heavyweight champ in 2000 (you don't get to be a D1 champ without some skills). He started training with Miletich in 2006 and had 2.5 years of training before he fought Couture who he had at least a 60lbs weight advantage against. Couture was known for his clinch and ground and pound fighting style was average striker at best. That plays right into Brocks strong points. So Brock had at least 8 years of real wrestling experience and 2.5 years of MMA training, but you think 2 weeks is good enough for Zion?

What about Heath Herring? Heath had been fighting professional for two decades before he fought Brock. The experience gap couldn't be much wider between the two.

To beat someone he has a 100+ weight advantage over and a huge reach advantage, yes.

As stated, Brock was a very accomplished wrestler. Then went to train on other aspects of MMA before he fought. He had a base to stand and improve on. He was not starting from scratch.

Brock carried an advantage. Nobody wants to hit the ground with that giant. Zion carries no advtange here.

[magicman1978]

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was the D1 heavyweight champ in 2000 (you don't get to be a D1 champ without some skills). He started training with Miletich in 2006 and had 2.5 years of training before he fought Couture who he had at least a 60lbs weight advantage against. Couture was known for his clinch and ground and pound fighting style was average striker at best. That plays right into Brocks strong points. So Brock had at least 8 years of real wrestling experience and 2.5 years of MMA training, but you think 2 weeks is good enough for Zion?

What about Heath Herring? Heath had been fighting professional for two decades before he fought Brock. The experience gap couldn't be much wider between the two.

To beat someone he has a 100+ weight advantage over and a huge reach advantage, yes.

Lesnar still had over 10 years of some type of MMA training. Zion has had none that we know of. Herring was a last minute replacement fighter. Lesnar had a training camp, Herring did not. Brock took the fight to the ground and dominated using his 10 years of wrestling experience. 10 years. Brock improved on his submission defense after the Mir fight, but Herring also had little submission experience. Which made is much easier on Lesnar. What kind of defensive training against submissions will Zion accomplish in two weeks?

[Duke4life831]

With 6 months of training, Zion would destroy McGregor due to sheer size and power.

Hell - Look at Brock Lesnar. He had no background in mixed martial arts prior to 2007, yet after only 18 months he became UFC champion by effectively bum rushing every opponent with crazy speed and power.

You honestly think you couldn't train Zion in a 6 month period to adapt a Brock Lesnar style of fighting and use a +100lb advantage to destory McGregor.

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

I mean its not like Brock wrestled significantly smaller people in college and only won because of his size. He wrestled other 285ers and was runner-up and national champion. You cant just outsize other guys that weigh the same as you to win a national championship in wrestling. Brock was a damn good wrestler.

Brock also had been training MMA for 2 years (after growing up wrestling and being an elite wrestler) before that Randy fight (who was 45 at that time). Also that was a very favorable matchup for Brock because Randy was also a wrestler with not the greatest standup. Also striking opens up more when your opponent is so focused on the takedown.

You cant learn enough basics in a couple weeks to be able to defend strikes from Conor. This is why so many people are laughing at others on this thread. Its because statements like that. It shows a complete lack of knowledge of the sport to think someone can learn the basics in a couple weeks of training.

[Midw35t]

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

I mean its not like Brock wrestled significantly smaller people in college and only won because of his size. He wrestled other 285ers and was runner-up and national champion. You cant just outsize other guys that weigh the same as you to win a national championship in wrestling. Brock was a damn good wrestler.

Brock also had been training MMA for 2 years before that Randy fight (who was 45 at that time). Also that was a very favorable matchup for Brock because Randy was also a wrestler with not the greatest standup. Also striking opens up more when your opponent is so focused on the takedown.

You cant learn enough basics in a couple weeks to be able to defend strikes from Conor. This is why so many people are laughing at others on this thread. Its because statements like that. It shows a complete lack of knowledge of the sport to think someone can learn the basics in a couple weeks of training.

Quick reminder, 10 year training vet says he only needs 6 hours...

People also vastly overlook that entry gimme fight for Brock. Couture was awesome in his day, but he was given as chum that day.

[Galloisdaman]

With 6 months of training, Zion would destroy McGregor due to sheer size and power.

Hell - Look at Brock Lesnar. He had no background in mixed martial arts prior to 2007, yet after only 18 months he became UFC champion by effectively bum rushing every opponent with crazy speed and power.

You honestly think you couldn't train Zion in a 6 month period to adapt a Brock Lesnar style of fighting and use a +100lb advantage to destory McGregor.

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was a 2 time all American wrestler. He was 106-5 in college. I was a huge Brock fan but to act like he was unprepared for the UFC is wrong. He not only had the great wrestling background but he trained like crazy to become a MMA fighter. He was only 4-3 in MMA but his best win in my opinion was when he beat Shane Carwin (who knocked the crap out of Brock in round 1) by a submission. People were shocked that Brock had that submission move in his arsenal. Beating a 45 year old undersized Randy Couture was not that big a deal to me. Brock also beat and lost to Frank Mir. Brock got exposed as a guy who had some trouble taking hard punches and kick during that Carwin fight. What makes you think that Zion can take a punch or kick?

[Meat]

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was a 2 time all American wrestler. He was 106-5 in college. I was a huge Brock fan but to act like he was unprepared for the UFC is wrong. He not only had the great wrestling background but he trained like crazy to become a MMA fighter. He was only 4-3 in MMA but his best win in my opinion was when he beat Shane Carwin (who knocked the crap out of Brock in round 1) by a submission. People were shocked that Brock had that submission move in his arsenal. Beating a 45 year old undersized Randy Couture was not that big a deal to me. Brock also beat and lost to Frank Mir. Brock got exposed as a guy who had some trouble taking hard punches and kick during that Carwin fight. What makes you think that Zion can take a punch or kick?

CUZ HE DUNK HARD

[Midw35t]

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was a 2 time all American wrestler. He was 106-5 in college. I was a huge Brock fan but to act like he was unprepared for the UFC is wrong. He not only had the great wrestling background but he trained like crazy to become a MMA fighter. He was only 4-3 in MMA but his best win in my opinion was when he beat Shane Carwin (who knocked the crap out of Brock in round 1) by a submission. People were shocked that Brock had that submission move in his arsenal. Beating a 45 year old undersized Randy Couture was not that big a deal to me. Brock also beat and lost to Frank Mir. Brock got exposed as a guy who had some trouble taking hard punches and kick during that Carwin fight. What makes you think that Zion can take a punch or kick?

CUZ HE DUNK HARD

He can also jump super high. Can you imagine that flying roundkick? I mean, he struggles to jog up and down a court. But he definitely will destroy a champion in a back alley when he runs up the wall, does a backflip, and knees the guy in the back of the head, then choke slams him into the dumpster, and suffocates him with a homeless guy's grocery bag.

[duppyy]

As I stated before, 1 kick to zion's leg or knee and it's over. He's not continuing.

[Galloisdaman]

As I stated before, 1 kick to zion's leg or knee and it's over. He's not continuing.

But his knee is 260 pounds!!! Sorry I could not help myself

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With a little training, Zion. He has over 100 lbs on Conor.

[pesfan321]

With a little training, Zion. He has over 100 lbs on Conor.

LMAO!

[Ballerhogger]

Why is this 45 page thread Omg

[brutalitops]

I think this would happen:

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Bob Sapp had no chance even though he had like 100 kgs weight and like 10 cms height advantage. And Kunkli was just a well trained muay thai fighter - who was actually a well known fighter in Hungary - but had no recognition outside his country.

It wouldn't be a competition even if they limit the moves that McGregor can perform.

To be fair to Bob Sapp, who is a terrible fighter, he somehow beat Ernesto Hoost. Twice.

He was on about an entire stable's worth of steroids at the time and makes Brock Lesnar look tiny, but still…he's actually kind of not a great example. What's really weird is that he somehow only got worse as he gained more experience.

Bob Sapp while not a "great fighter" spent years practising and isn't a great fighter in comparison to talented athletic martial artists

And practising at an older age for years still made him look second rate to truly gifted MMA fighters.

[brutalitops]

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was the D1 heavyweight champ in 2000 (you don't get to be a D1 champ without some skills). He started training with Miletich in 2006 and had 2.5 years of training before he fought Couture who he had at least a 60lbs weight advantage against. Couture was known for his clinch and ground and pound fighting style was average striker at best. That plays right into Brocks strong points. So Brock had at least 8 years of real wrestling experience and 2.5 years of MMA training, but you think 2 weeks is good enough for Zion?

What about Heath Herring? Heath had been fighting professional for two decades before he fought Brock. The experience gap couldn't be much wider between the two.

To beat someone he has a 100+ weight advantage over and a huge reach advantage, yes.

Brock had been training in some MMA based training longer then what his wikipedia would mention plus the massive wrestling background was key to every win he had. as for beating Herring he looked injured and bloated in that loss.

[Tor_Raps]

At some point, size just out trumps skill. Having a 100 pounds of muscle over someone is too big to overcome. I'd bet on Zion assuming he has some level of wrestling/fighting skill.

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That is a 500 pound tub of lard with 0 coordination. I said, assuming zion has some level of skill, he should be able to overcome McGregor. If he's useless like Nate Robinson then he's clearly screwed.

I think the convo would be more fun if we used James Johnson instead. I think he'd whoop McGregors ass based on size since he already has a background of fighting.

[Galloisdaman]

He had no background in mixed martial arts? I mean sure if we just forget the fact he was the NCAA national champion wrestler and 2x all American wrestler. It's not like wrestling isn't a huge part in MMA or anything...

Brock has a distinguished amateur career but he's not a highly technical wrestler, he was mostly successful because of his strength, athleticism and size. Not even getting into the fact that he hadn't been involved in competitive wrestling for a decade before starting MMA. Brock had no significant striking training but still knocked out Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a massive experience gap, same thing with Heath Herring. I stand by the fact that if Zion had a couple weeks of hard training where he learned how to avoid the more dangerous things that Conor could do, he'd beat him pretty easily, the size gap is too massive and Zion is a super athlete.

Brock was the D1 heavyweight champ in 2000 (you don't get to be a D1 champ without some skills). He started training with Miletich in 2006 and had 2.5 years of training before he fought Couture who he had at least a 60lbs weight advantage against. Couture was known for his clinch and ground and pound fighting style was average striker at best. That plays right into Brocks strong points. So Brock had at least 8 years of real wrestling experience and 2.5 years of MMA training, but you think 2 weeks is good enough for Zion? How would Zion fare against Lesnar?

Randy was also around 45 years old at that time and well past his prime.

[Galloisdaman]

Can we have Amanda Nunes vs Lebron on the undercard?

[Topofthekey]

Guys, I think we have a definite answer to this

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