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[zimpy27]

The holdup is due to the contract paper, apparently the tree they want to get the paper from still required a couple extra days of growth before they cut it down.

[Bernman]

Do you think the Bucks could have gotten Beal for the same level of assets as in the Holiday trade? If so it'd have likely secured Giannis and made the Bucks the title favorite. In that case the draft pick concessions would have been justifiable.

No they couldn't have gotten Beal, Jrue is better than Beal, and considering that Beal wasn't on Giannis list because he had beef with him, it would chased Giannis right out of town.

None of this is true. If Jrue is better than Beal, that would have increased the chances they could have gotten Brad. But Jrue's not actually better than Beal. Beal is a triple threat and can lock you down when he wants to. Beal was on Giannis' list, but Jrue wasn't. So that may have compelled Giannis to put pen to paper.

[GBBucks]

The holdup is due to the contract paper, apparently the tree they want to get the paper from still required a couple extra days of growth before they cut it down.

Gotta get Michael Scott on the phone.

Limitless paper, in a paperless world

[StickeeFingaz]

Do you think the Bucks could have gotten Beal for the same level of assets as in the Holiday trade? If so it'd have likely secured Giannis and made the Bucks the title favorite. In that case the draft pick concessions would have been justifiable.

No they couldn't have gotten Beal, Jrue is better than Beal, and considering that Beal wasn't on Giannis list because he had beef with him, it would chased Giannis right out of town.

None of this is true. If Jrue is better than Beal, that would have increased the chances they could have gotten Brad. But Jrue's not actually better than Beal. Beal is a triple threat and can lock you down when he wants to. Beal was on Giannis' list, but Jrue wasn't. So that may have compelled Giannis to put pen to paper.

How do we know who was and wasn’t on Giannis’ list? I haven’t seen any reporting about Beal being on his list. I also remember Beal and Giannis going at it, I’m not sure they like each other.

[engelmartin]

No they couldn't have gotten Beal, Jrue is better than Beal, and considering that Beal wasn't on Giannis list because he had beef with him, it would chased Giannis right out of town.

None of this is true. If Jrue is better than Beal, that would have increased the chances they could have gotten Brad. But Jrue's not actually better than Beal. Beal is a triple threat and can lock you down when he wants to. Beal was on Giannis' list, but Jrue wasn't. So that may have compelled Giannis to put pen to paper.

How do we know who was and wasn’t on Giannis’ list? I haven’t seen any reporting about Beal being on his list. I also remember Beal and Giannis going at it, I’m not sure they like each other.

It's too bad Ernie Grunfeld left town then we probably could have landed Beal.

[emunney]

Love to see the X can play defense but chooses not to takes as if that's somehow exculpatory.

[Ron Swanson]

I have Beal as the better player than Jrue but I feel he's getting so massively overrated because he's basically the only "star" that people see being available the next couple years.

[ShootingtheJ]

Do you think the Bucks could have gotten Beal for the same level of assets as in the Holiday trade? If so it'd have likely secured Giannis and made the Bucks the title favorite. In that case the draft pick concessions would have been justifiable.

No they couldn't have gotten Beal, Jrue is better than Beal, and considering that Beal wasn't on Giannis list because he had beef with him, it would chased Giannis right out of town.

None of this is true. If Jrue is better than Beal, that would have increased the chances they could have gotten Brad. But Jrue's not actually better than Beal. Beal is a triple threat and can lock you down when he wants to. Beal was on Giannis' list, but Jrue wasn't. So that may have compelled Giannis to put pen to paper.

Its all true. Jrue was on the list. Jrue has more total value because Beal doesn't defend.

[SirChurros]

No they couldn't have gotten Beal, Jrue is better than Beal, and considering that Beal wasn't on Giannis list because he had beef with him, it would chased Giannis right out of town.

None of this is true. If Jrue is better than Beal, that would have increased the chances they could have gotten Brad. But Jrue's not actually better than Beal. Beal is a triple threat and can lock you down when he wants to. Beal was on Giannis' list, but Jrue wasn't. So that may have compelled Giannis to put pen to paper.

Its all true. Jrue was on the list. Jrue has more total value because Beal doesn't defend.

Stop pretending you know who was and wasn't on Giannis' list.

[crowhead76]

Would you trade Lopez and Wilson for Myles Turner?

[tydett]

Love to see the X can play defense but chooses not to takes as if that's somehow exculpatory.

My wife is really good at sex, she's just waiting for the right guy to do it with.

[bango_the_buck]

https://behindthebuckpass.com/2020/12/01/milwaukee-bucks-rumors-bogdan-bogdanovic/

[Turk Nowitzki]

https://behindthebuckpass.com/2020/12/01/milwaukee-bucks-rumors-bogdan-bogdanovic/

The George Hill angle is a new one I hadn't seen. Seems like the Holiday deal altered the plan for getting Bogdan in multiple ways.

[ReasonablySober]

https://behindthebuckpass.com/2020/12/01/milwaukee-bucks-rumors-bogdan-bogdanovic/

“But when the Holiday move happened, the ripple effect was that Bogdanovic, in all intents and purposes, became a fourth option, which my reporting bears out that he wasn’t necessarily feeling that.

And secondly, the money, I don’t know the specific numbers, but the money was impacted once they got Holiday and what they could offer Bogdanovic. It seems as if whatever agreement was in place before, and Bogdan’s camp has said all the way through that there never was an agreement from him, but he was talking to Giannis on a fairly routine basis. Giannis was pushing very hard and wanted Bogdanovic on that team. As an aside, I was also told George Hill that had been recruiting Bogdan before the Holiday trade and that there was a sense of ‘Wait a minute, man? I thought I was coming to play with you?’

Derp.

[raferfenix]

Derp indeed.

I wonder how in the loop Giannis was about Holiday.

The Jake Fischer Bleacher Report article also tracks with Amick's new bit about there being parallel negotiations to such an extent where "Giannis was pushing very hard and wanted Bogdanovic on that team", not to mention how George Hill was recruiting on our behalf before being dealt himself:

Early conversations centered on sending Eric Bledsoe and the No. 24 pick to Sacramento, sources said. But the Kings insisted on guard DiVincenzo being included in any deal, just as the Pacers did in the talks regarding Oladipo, according to sources.

Any deal that brought Bledsoe—and the three years, roughly $54.4 million remaining on his contract—back to Sacramento would have cleared the necessary room under the $139 million apron for the Bucks to offer a competitive salary to Bogdanovic. Sacramento brass had known from conversations with Bogdanovic's representatives that the guard was seeking an average annual salary around $18 million.

Yet all the while, Milwaukee remained in aggressive pursuit of Holiday. And by all accounts, New Orleans management successfully engineered a bidding war for Holiday's services. The Boston Celtics offered Gordon Hayward plus their three first-round picks in last week's draft, it is said. Atlanta is known to have discussed the No. 6 pick, Dewayne Dedmon and sharpshooting youngster Kevin Huerter. Denver and Dallas were also rumored as significant suitors.

The clock was ticking. Only 48 hours remained before the draft. And despite Bledsoe's salary number being an apparent necessity to match Bogdanovic's preferred number in free agency, Milwaukee moved forward with its Holiday acquisition.

Bledsoe was also always a centerpiece in any trade for Holiday, one source said.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919681-inside-the-botched-sign-and-trade-that-could-send-giannis-antetokounmpo-packing

[crowhead76]

After reading that article it feels like the Bucks were faced with the decision of moving all in on Holiday or prioritizing Bogdan. They realized that the Holiday addition was the better move and provides a much better playoff lineup. Bledsoe and DDV for Bogdan would have left Hill as the only PG with no real options to add a starting PG. I also read it as they felt the Holiday trade was a long shot, when it became apparent it was a possibility, even at a great expense, they thought that it was the best immediate option. Pulling off both trades would have been a huge win and incredibly impactful, however Holiday on his own makes this team much better than Bogdan on his own.

Holiday - Augustine - Merrill
DDV - Forbes - Pat
Middleton - Craig - Thanasis
Giannis - Wilson - Nwora
Lopez - Portis

or

Hill - Augustine - Merrill
Bogdan - Forbes - Pat
Middleton - Craig - Thanasis
Giannis - Wilson - Nwora
Lopez - Portis

[emunney]

I feel like Bogdan is overestimating what his ball handling responsibilities will be joining a team with Trae Young.

[emunney]

Just looked it up. Literally nobody had the ball more than Trae last year. Over 9 minutes a game. Almost as much as Jrue and Giannis combined.

[JimmyTheKid]

After reading that article it feels like the Bucks were faced with the decision of moving all in on Holiday or prioritizing Bogdan. They realized that the Holiday addition was the better move and provides a much better playoff lineup. Bledsoe and DDV for Bogdan would have left Hill as the only PG with no real options to add a starting PG. I also read it as they felt the Holiday trade was a long shot, when it became apparent it was a possibility, even at a great expense, they thought that it was the best immediate option. Pulling off both trades would have been a huge win and incredibly impactful, however Holiday on his own makes this team much better than Bogdan on his own.

Holiday - Augustine - Merrill
DDV - Forbes - Pat
Middleton - Craig - Thanasis
Giannis - Wilson - Nwora
Lopez - Portis

or

Hill - Augustine - Merrill
Bogdan - Forbes - Pat
Middleton - Craig - Thanasis
Giannis - Wilson - Nwora
Lopez - Portis

And its not particularly close. However we'd all feel much better about the offseason had our front office just kept their traps shut for five seconds. But they just can't ever seem to help themselves. "Look at us! Over here! Watch what we're doing! Aren't we cool and smart?!"