Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[BuckFan25226]

I chose to take his quote as "If they wanna join me, they can come to my city. I'm not chasing to join any stars in their cities"

[trwi7]

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She just seems like a loser and salty at this point lol.

I don't know why you guys keep giving her attention. It's exactly what she wants. She's probably gotten more views and attention in the last couple weeks alone because of this board and insecure Bucks fans than she has in the last couple years.

[BucksRule18]

Frankly I think there has been not enough talk about the way Giannis came up short in the bubble and too much talk about how everyone else did. Good to see some balanced, objective perspective from some legendary posters here. Giannis's decision-making was even worse than Bledsoe's. I might be in the minority but I don't see him as someone who can do no wrong at all on the court. Obviously I hope he stays, but my being a Bucks fan is not at all predicated on that. I would be no less of a fan if he wants to leave and they trade him tomorrow for a great return. There's nothing the Bucks can do if he can't recognize his own part in how they disappointed in the playoffs the last two years, so I wouldn't blame them if that's what happened. This is not hating on him; it's just refusing to be a homer and ignore his faults. Honestly his new team would probably have a lot of the same issues unless they have someone who is better at guiding the offense than he is. I love the guy as a person and I definitely think he should have been a unanimous MVP each of the last two years, mainly because of his combination of offense and defense. But he is less great when he's trying to do too much, and that hurt them a lot against Miami.

I'm still incredibly pissed about all the picks they gave up for Jrue, but I'm hoping he at least takes over a lot of those wasted possessions where Giannis tried to initiate the offense from behind the arc. If that happens and Giannis buys in, assuming he signs the supermax, then they might be able to retool around Giannis for years to come and maybe mitigate some of the risk associated with all those picks they traded. They won't be able to build the supporting cast around Jrue, Brook, and Khris all the way through 2027, so they'll have to make some tough decisions to trade some starters for younger help IMO.

great post on the giannis part but i think you go to far with the impact of losing the picks. if in fact we have those 3 guys for the next 5 years the impact of TWO PICKS and two picks only... all back end of the first round.... then giving that up for jrue just isnt really a big deal. we will get way better players coming in on vet mins to fill out the roster than those two guys would project at.

i also think its important to remember we still have 2021, 2023, 2024, 2026. with giannis on the books the pick swap thing is irrelevent. we still have 4 picks out of 6 between now and 2027. if we are smart about how we deal if were forced to break it up we arent screwed. only giannis and jrue leaving for nothing screws us

This is 100% spot on IF Giannis signs the supermax deal this year. If he doesn't and we either trade him before the trade deadline or lose him for nothing, then the Bucks will likely lose 4 lottery picks in the next 7 years due to the Holiday trade. A losing team will not give us that back in a trade to rent Giannis for a few months.

[Ron Swanson]

Lol at "They've been there, done that". What did they "do" exactly? Win zero championships and take the quitter's way out?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Frankly I think there has been not enough talk about the way Giannis came up short in the bubble and too much talk about how everyone else did. Good to see some balanced, objective perspective from some legendary posters here. Giannis's decision-making was even worse than Bledsoe's. I might be in the minority but I don't see him as someone who can do no wrong at all on the court. Obviously I hope he stays, but my being a Bucks fan is not at all predicated on that. I would be no less of a fan if he wants to leave and they trade him tomorrow for a great return. There's nothing the Bucks can do if he can't recognize his own part in how they disappointed in the playoffs the last two years, so I wouldn't blame them if that's what happened. This is not hating on him; it's just refusing to be a homer and ignore his faults. Honestly his new team would probably have a lot of the same issues unless they have someone who is better at guiding the offense than he is. I love the guy as a person and I definitely think he should have been a unanimous MVP each of the last two years, mainly because of his combination of offense and defense. But he is less great when he's trying to do too much, and that hurt them a lot against Miami.

I'm still incredibly pissed about all the picks they gave up for Jrue, but I'm hoping he at least takes over a lot of those wasted possessions where Giannis tried to initiate the offense from behind the arc. If that happens and Giannis buys in, assuming he signs the supermax, then they might be able to retool around Giannis for years to come and maybe mitigate some of the risk associated with all those picks they traded. They won't be able to build the supporting cast around Jrue, Brook, and Khris all the way through 2027, so they'll have to make some tough decisions to trade some starters for younger help IMO.

great post on the giannis part but i think you go to far with the impact of losing the picks. if in fact we have those 3 guys for the next 5 years the impact of TWO PICKS and two picks only... all back end of the first round.... then giving that up for jrue just isnt really a big deal. we will get way better players coming in on vet mins to fill out the roster than those two guys would project at.

i also think its important to remember we still have 2021, 2023, 2024, 2026. with giannis on the books the pick swap thing is irrelevent. we still have 4 picks out of 6 between now and 2027. if we are smart about how we deal if were forced to break it up we arent screwed. only giannis and jrue leaving for nothing screws us

This is 100% spot on IF Giannis signs the supermax deal this year. If he doesn't and we either trade him before the trade deadline or lose him for nothing, then the Bucks will likely lose 4 lottery picks in the next 7 years due to the Holiday trade. A losing team will not give us that back in a trade to rent Giannis for a few months.

we just gave that up for jrue alone... how can you say we couldnt get a comparable package back for giannis AND jrue?

maybe we wouldnt get lotto picks but you can damn sure believe wed get young players and have our choice of them. indy offered turner and a pick for one year of hayward. boston offered hayward and picks for jrue. i just think the offers for those two guys would be a collasal starting point and wed have it NOW. add middleton and lopez wed have picks.... young players... we could take on bad salary for more picks..... we'd still be in great shape

[Gianstoppable]

Frankly I think there has been not enough talk about the way Giannis came up short in the bubble and too much talk about how everyone else did. Good to see some balanced, objective perspective from some legendary posters here. Giannis's decision-making was even worse than Bledsoe's. I might be in the minority but I don't see him as someone who can do no wrong at all on the court. Obviously I hope he stays, but my being a Bucks fan is not at all predicated on that. I would be no less of a fan if he wants to leave and they trade him tomorrow for a great return. There's nothing the Bucks can do if he can't recognize his own part in how they disappointed in the playoffs the last two years, so I wouldn't blame them if that's what happened. This is not hating on him; it's just refusing to be a homer and ignore his faults. Honestly his new team would probably have a lot of the same issues unless they have someone who is better at guiding the offense than he is. I love the guy as a person and I definitely think he should have been a unanimous MVP each of the last two years, mainly because of his combination of offense and defense. But he is less great when he's trying to do too much, and that hurt them a lot against Miami.

I'm still incredibly pissed about all the picks they gave up for Jrue, but I'm hoping he at least takes over a lot of those wasted possessions where Giannis tried to initiate the offense from behind the arc. If that happens and Giannis buys in, assuming he signs the supermax, then they might be able to retool around Giannis for years to come and maybe mitigate some of the risk associated with all those picks they traded. They won't be able to build the supporting cast around Jrue, Brook, and Khris all the way through 2027, so they'll have to make some tough decisions to trade some starters for younger help IMO.

great post on the giannis part but i think you go to far with the impact of losing the picks. if in fact we have those 3 guys for the next 5 years the impact of TWO PICKS and two picks only... all back end of the first round.... then giving that up for jrue just isnt really a big deal. we will get way better players coming in on vet mins to fill out the roster than those two guys would project at.

i also think its important to remember we still have 2021, 2023, 2024, 2026. with giannis on the books the pick swap thing is irrelevent. we still have 4 picks out of 6 between now and 2027. if we are smart about how we deal if were forced to break it up we arent screwed. only giannis and jrue leaving for nothing screws us

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt Cleveland get our 21 pick?

[zimpy27]

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She just seems like a loser and salty at this point lol.

I don't know why you guys keep giving her attention. It's exactly what she wants. She's probably gotten more views and attention in the last couple weeks alone because of this board and insecure Bucks fans than she has in the last couple years.

Agree completely. I don't know who is more infuriating, her or the people who keep giving her attention.

[har13]

Well who i must believe? Gianni or few guys over here?
Lat post for the season, **** Giannis as a player but don't **** him as human with your lies...

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[RogerMurdock]

HOLY **** LEBRON, AD, AND KD ARE GOING TO SIGN WITH THE BUCKS. THEY JUST HAD FOR FIRST TIME SMOOTHIE. WHAT A COUNTRY.

[FrieAaron]

Well who i must believe? Gianni or few guys over here?
Lat post for the season, **** Giannis as a player but don't **** him as human with your lies...

What on Earth are you talking about?

[BucksRule18]

great post on the giannis part but i think you go to far with the impact of losing the picks. if in fact we have those 3 guys for the next 5 years the impact of TWO PICKS and two picks only... all back end of the first round.... then giving that up for jrue just isnt really a big deal. we will get way better players coming in on vet mins to fill out the roster than those two guys would project at.

i also think its important to remember we still have 2021, 2023, 2024, 2026. with giannis on the books the pick swap thing is irrelevent. we still have 4 picks out of 6 between now and 2027. if we are smart about how we deal if were forced to break it up we arent screwed. only giannis and jrue leaving for nothing screws us

This is 100% spot on IF Giannis signs the supermax deal this year. If he doesn't and we either trade him before the trade deadline or lose him for nothing, then the Bucks will likely lose 4 lottery picks in the next 7 years due to the Holiday trade. A losing team will not give us that back in a trade to rent Giannis for a few months.

we just gave that up for jrue alone... how can you say we couldnt get a comparable package back for giannis AND jrue?

maybe we wouldnt get lotto picks but you can damn sure believe wed get young players and have our choice of them. indy offered turner and a pick for one year of hayward. boston offered hayward and picks for jrue. i just think the offers for those two guys would be a collasal starting point and wed have it NOW. add middleton and lopez wed have picks.... young players... we could take on bad salary for more picks..... we'd still be in great shape

This is a unique situation though. We gave up all those future draft picks with the hope that Giannis stays and those picks would be in the 25-30 range. Is there a similar situation elsewhere in the league? For instance, even if a non top 5 team traded for Giannis and gave us 5 future first round picks (with the hopes that Giannis signs with them), that team will have to have assurances from Giannis's agent that he's extending with them (like Hayward). If Giannis does extend then the lottery picks they give us will likely be in the 25-30 range because now they have Giannis. Same thing will happen with teams like the Heat or Warriors because they'll be contending for years to come with Giannis.

Trading Middleton will likely net us some assets, but that was always on the table if Giannis wanted out. I doubt we get anything significant for Lopez.

[Cythaps]

Well who i must believe? Gianni or few guys over here?
Lat post for the season, **** Giannis as a player but don't **** him as human with your lies...

What on Earth are you talking about?

2 pages back :

But he is not what he thinks he is. And you are right that I don't like his attitude. Honestly, I wouldn't care about him as a person or his opinion if he doesn't force our front office to run this team according to his wishes. He is now our GM basically saying who should we trade for and who should we sign. And he is clearly doing that based on his opinion that he is playmaker/decision maker who just need shooters. It is rather clear that he gave order to Bucks "bring me shooters". So they brought crazy Portis because you know he is big who can shoot. So they brought a little Forbes because he can shoot. We even traded our future so that we can have SG Jrue playing PG position. We are doing everything to make him happy. And then If he is wrong that we need shooters (with him dominating ball) then he will just ask for trade.

[Matches Malone]

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She just seems like a loser and salty at this point lol.

I don't know why you guys keep giving her attention. It's exactly what she wants. She's probably gotten more views and attention in the last couple weeks alone because of this board and insecure Bucks fans than she has in the last couple years.

Agree completely. I don't know who is more infuriating, her or the people who keep giving her attention.

What attention is she getting though? Heat trolls and people that dunk on her? I just brought it here cause I thought it was funny.

[GBBucks]

I chose to take his quote as "If they wanna join me, they can come to my city. I'm not chasing to join any stars in their cities"

I took it this way as well. Maybe some bias.

[theFireBlanket]

On the fence about what he means to come out saying this.

[greekbuck34]

Here is the important part of the interview with english subs.
Dedicated to the bucks fans who are ret..rds enough to doubt not Giannis skill/shooting etc but his attitude as a human being and as a basketball player. The attitute of the most improved player of all time, of a 18y old almost famished kid transformed to a b2b mvp and dpoy in 7 years.

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[Magic Giannison]

I am really disappointed with our fanbase these days and overreaction, of all people to call out Giannis it cant be our guys.

I watched the interview, he gives no indication of leaving if anything it is the opposite, he speaks about beating Lebron and coo not joining them. he brought example of Lebron KD AD joining him in Milwaukee to point out that he doesn't care of being the # 1 guy, he wants to win.

He also spoke how hard he worked on shooting and free throws....



Unreal that there are some in here questioning not only his dedication and work on the team and mostly as a human is simply pathetic.

[Magic Giannison]

On the fence about what he means to come out saying this.

Its nothing new, he does interviews for Greek sports media all the time when he comes here, he speaks about season and how he works etc and speaks about the team and the progress they made. At this point people are trying to dig w/e they want to see and run with it and then they will be surprised when Giannis signs the extension and remains a Buck for ever.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Frankly I think there has been not enough talk about the way Giannis came up short in the bubble and too much talk about how everyone else did. Good to see some balanced, objective perspective from some legendary posters here. Giannis's decision-making was even worse than Bledsoe's. I might be in the minority but I don't see him as someone who can do no wrong at all on the court. Obviously I hope he stays, but my being a Bucks fan is not at all predicated on that. I would be no less of a fan if he wants to leave and they trade him tomorrow for a great return. There's nothing the Bucks can do if he can't recognize his own part in how they disappointed in the playoffs the last two years, so I wouldn't blame them if that's what happened. This is not hating on him; it's just refusing to be a homer and ignore his faults. Honestly his new team would probably have a lot of the same issues unless they have someone who is better at guiding the offense than he is. I love the guy as a person and I definitely think he should have been a unanimous MVP each of the last two years, mainly because of his combination of offense and defense. But he is less great when he's trying to do too much, and that hurt them a lot against Miami.

I'm still incredibly pissed about all the picks they gave up for Jrue, but I'm hoping he at least takes over a lot of those wasted possessions where Giannis tried to initiate the offense from behind the arc. If that happens and Giannis buys in, assuming he signs the supermax, then they might be able to retool around Giannis for years to come and maybe mitigate some of the risk associated with all those picks they traded. They won't be able to build the supporting cast around Jrue, Brook, and Khris all the way through 2027, so they'll have to make some tough decisions to trade some starters for younger help IMO.

great post on the giannis part but i think you go to far with the impact of losing the picks. if in fact we have those 3 guys for the next 5 years the impact of TWO PICKS and two picks only... all back end of the first round.... then giving that up for jrue just isnt really a big deal. we will get way better players coming in on vet mins to fill out the roster than those two guys would project at.

i also think its important to remember we still have 2021, 2023, 2024, 2026. with giannis on the books the pick swap thing is irrelevent. we still have 4 picks out of 6 between now and 2027. if we are smart about how we deal if were forced to break it up we arent screwed. only giannis and jrue leaving for nothing screws us

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt Cleveland get our 21 pick?

my understanding is they have 2022

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Bucks.htm

[buckboy]

Frankly I think there has been not enough talk about the way Giannis came up short in the bubble and too much talk about how everyone else did. Good to see some balanced, objective perspective from some legendary posters here. Giannis's decision-making was even worse than Bledsoe's. I might be in the minority but I don't see him as someone who can do no wrong at all on the court. Obviously I hope he stays, but my being a Bucks fan is not at all predicated on that. I would be no less of a fan if he wants to leave and they trade him tomorrow for a great return. There's nothing the Bucks can do if he can't recognize his own part in how they disappointed in the playoffs the last two years, so I wouldn't blame them if that's what happened. This is not hating on him; it's just refusing to be a homer and ignore his faults. Honestly his new team would probably have a lot of the same issues unless they have someone who is better at guiding the offense than he is. I love the guy as a person and I definitely think he should have been a unanimous MVP each of the last two years, mainly because of his combination of offense and defense. But he is less great when he's trying to do too much, and that hurt them a lot against Miami.

I'm still incredibly pissed about all the picks they gave up for Jrue, but I'm hoping he at least takes over a lot of those wasted possessions where Giannis tried to initiate the offense from behind the arc. If that happens and Giannis buys in, assuming he signs the supermax, then they might be able to retool around Giannis for years to come and maybe mitigate some of the risk associated with all those picks they traded. They won't be able to build the supporting cast around Jrue, Brook, and Khris all the way through 2027, so they'll have to make some tough decisions to trade some starters for younger help IMO.

great post on the giannis part but i think you go to far with the impact of losing the picks. if in fact we have those 3 guys for the next 5 years the impact of TWO PICKS and two picks only... all back end of the first round.... then giving that up for jrue just isnt really a big deal. we will get way better players coming in on vet mins to fill out the roster than those two guys would project at.

i also think its important to remember we still have 2021, 2023, 2024, 2026. with giannis on the books the pick swap thing is irrelevent. we still have 4 picks out of 6 between now and 2027. if we are smart about how we deal if were forced to break it up we arent screwed. only giannis and jrue leaving for nothing screws us

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt Cleveland get our 21 pick?

We can't trade our 21 because we stupidly traded our 20 instead of picking for New Orleans.

Cleveland has our 22 unprotected, once again because our front office is **** stupid.