2021 NBA Draft

Chi town · Post #501 » by **Chi town** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 3:36 am

Jalen Johnson looks nearly all 4 and very little 3.

Sea2003 · Post #502 » by **Sea2003** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 3:40 am

I've seen a lot of you guys mention Ziare's struggles in the paint so far with Stanford. Where do his struggles stem from? Why is it that someone like Boston has had an easier time getting to the hoop( when they have similar body types)? Is it a lack of aggressiveness?

clyde21 · Post #503 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 3:44 am

Sea2003 wrote:I've seen a lot of you guys mention Ziare's struggles in the paint so far with Stanford. Where do his struggles stem from? Why is it that someone like Boston has had an easier time getting to the hoop( when they have similar body types)? Is it a lack of aggressiveness?

Boston's quicker with a better handle, and yes more aggro

clyde21 · Post #504 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 4:19 am

that was filthy by Boston

Chi town · Post #505 » by **Chi town** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 4:46 am

clyde21 wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:I've seen a lot of you guys mention Ziare's struggles in the paint so far with Stanford. Where do his struggles stem from? Why is it that someone like Boston has had an easier time getting to the hoop( when they have similar body types)? Is it a lack of aggressiveness?

Boston's quicker with a better handle, and yes more aggro

I think it’s strength. Boston is kinda wirey strong. Z is wirey weak as in can’t even bench 135. Durant was like that too but he was crazy aggressive.

Post #506 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 4:52 am

I know Clyde has said this a lot, but one of the biggest strengths about this class is the returning players that you will be able to get later in this draft.

I mean youre going to get guys like Agbaji and Scottie Lewis late in the 1st this year. Hard not to get excited about this class.

TheSuzerain · Post #507 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 5:28 am

Boston hit some impressive "hang" jumpers on his drive, but he really is less polished than I'd hoped. Still think the ceiling is there and the space in the NBA will help him, but he does seem raw.

Jackson is a freak help defender, but I'm not sure how high a player of his type can/should be drafted. Late lottery at best but more realistically 15-20?

None of UK's other prospects stood out at all. Askew seems like is a non-prospect. Clarke hits the occasional pull-up, but he seems underwhelming.

clyde21 · Post #508 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 6:08 am

Chi town wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:I've seen a lot of you guys mention Ziare's struggles in the paint so far with Stanford. Where do his struggles stem from? Why is it that someone like Boston has had an easier time getting to the hoop( when they have similar body types)? Is it a lack of aggressiveness?

Boston's quicker with a better handle, and yes more aggro

I think it’s strength. Boston is kinda wirey strong. Z is wirey weak as in can’t even bench 135. Durant was like that too but he was crazy aggressive.

Ziaire will get stronger with time, I'm more worried about the handle, doesn't get low enough, too loose, so can't turn and cut angles quickly, which is a bad combo right now because he's also weak physically...spacing in the NBA will help him for sure and being a good shooter will keep Ds honest, but the handle has to get better and he needs to hit the gym and work on his core, that's also why he's committing a lot of TOs...we said the same thing about Cam Reddish pretty much, Cam had more potential defensively tho I think

clyde21 · Post #509 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 6:11 am

Boston is super raw yes but I'm not really worried about that, he's explosive off live dribble, good first step, stronger than he looks and can actually finish thru contract...just needs to take better shots and make better decisions which should come with more exp/coaching

clyde21 · Post #510 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 6:46 am

any update on when G League is gonna start? need some of that Jalen Green/Jonathan Kuminga/Isaiah Todd

doordoor123 · Post #511 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 6:51 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I know Clyde has said this a lot, but one of the biggest strengths about this class is the returning players that you will be able to get later in this draft.

I mean youre going to get guys like Agbaji and Scottie Lewis late in the 1st this year. Hard not to get excited about this class.

Agbaji isn't a good player IMO. He's just athletic. Im not particularly high on him. There arent a lot of great returning players. There are a ton of okay returning players. This last draft had a bunch of good players throughout because a bunch of good returning players declared. Anyone all the way to undrafted could make the league. This second round is going to be full of players who won't make the league. There are good players, but they are either really not skilled enough for the NBA, not athletic enough for the NBA or are super inconsistent. But we'll see if there is enough time for players to grow during the season.

No-Man · Post #512 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:31 am

Nothing new but Keon Johnson aside, nobody else has the potential to break the Cade-Suggs-Mobley top3 trio for me at the top and I'd say that this class high end status is def overrated, sure there is more talent in the mid lotto or top10, but LaMelo would be #2-3 for me, and the depth is really the value in the class, not having a **** ton of stars

It reminds me of 2017 pre-draft, obviously Fultz busted hard after the fact

No-Man · Post #513 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:32 am

clyde21 wrote:
Marcus wrote:Is Jalen Green's the only "safe stock" of the G League kids with how impressive this college class has and will be?

Kuminga's pretty safe, Nix/Todd maybe not so much

Nix apparently has been the best off them all and to me he has the most interesting profile too

No-Man · Post #514 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:34 am

The-Power wrote:Yeah that game pretty much showed Ziaire's struggles. So weak and unable to drive, and he's not the type of player yet that just gets his jump shot off at any time either. He plays defense, rebounds, passes and obviously has a beautiful shooting stroke – but there are severe limitations that are not easily fixed.

On a different note, I really liked Sharpe's passing (threw some nice ones) and generally how he quickly moved the ball. Also rebounds very well. But he also looked so awkward defending the PnR and was a bit lost on offense as well. On defense he also plays hard in the half court (and seems to have quick hands to boost) but doesn't run the court very well. Not really sure what to make of him yet.

yeah he needs to follow the Reggie Miller mold, hopefully he can work off ball and learn all of that, cause if he can and with his 2-way play he is probably worth it of a top5 pick to be honest, but he isn't an on ball guy unless there is an advantange or it is a 1-2 dribble sequence

Sharpe looks like a fine rotation big but not much else to me

No-Man · Post #515 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:37 am

Chi town wrote:Jalen Johnson looks nearly all 4 and very little 3.

He is a PF/C, a good one, to me he is kinda another flavour of Diaw/Odom, if he adds spin moves and some patience, his ideal role is probably small ball Center like when Bobo played that in Phoenix, at least on offense

I like him still as a top10 guy, but he needs to show more for me to lock him up as a top5 pick

No-Man · Post #516 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:38 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I know Clyde has said this a lot, but one of the biggest strengths about this class is the returning players that you will be able to get later in this draft.

I mean youre going to get guys like Agbaji and Scottie Lewis late in the 1st this year. Hard not to get excited about this class.

None of those guys are anything special

I mean Desmond Bane went late 1st in 2020 and he is better, by a mile, than both, and nobody was talking about 2020 being good

No-Man · Post #517 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:39 am

TheSuzerain wrote:Boston hit some impressive "hang" jumpers on his drive, but he really is less polished than I'd hoped. Still think the ceiling is there and the space in the NBA will help him, but he does seem raw.

Jackson is a freak help defender, but I'm not sure how high a player of his type can/should be drafted. Late lottery at best but more realistically 15-20?

None of UK's other prospects stood out at all. Askew seems like is a non-prospect. Clarke hits the occasional pull-up, but he seems underwhelming.

Jackson has the tools but I don't think he has the feel, on either end, he is just too raw for me to buy in that high (even 15-20) considering lack of versatility

Probably late 1st? it's hard to pin point value with bigs

nolang1 · Post #518 » by **nolang1** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 1:29 pm

Fischella wrote:Nothing new but Keon Johnson aside, nobody else has the potential to break the Cade-Suggs-Mobley top3 trio for me at the top and I'd say that this class high end status is def overrated, sure there is more talent in the mid lotto or top10, but LaMelo would be #2-3 for me, and the depth is really the value in the class, not having a **** ton of stars

It reminds me of 2017 pre-draft, obviously Fultz busted hard after the fact

I’d put Barnes up there too. I think he’s a little underrated because people have spammed the Draymond comparison to upsell whichever versatile non-shooting wing they’ve liked over the years, but it’s actually apt for him.

Post #519 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 2:57 pm

I am not seeing the speed and mobility issues that others are seeing with Jalen Johnson. That dude could easily play the 3.

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clyde21 · Post #520 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 4:14 pm

Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I know Clyde has said this a lot, but one of the biggest strengths about this class is the returning players that you will be able to get later in this draft.

I mean youre going to get guys like Agbaji and Scottie Lewis late in the 1st this year. Hard not to get excited about this class.

None of those guys are anything special

I mean Desmond Bane went late 1st in 2020 and he is better, by a mile, than both, and nobody was talking about 2020 being good

lmao, here we go again