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[LuessiT]

Just looked it up. Literally nobody had the ball more than Trae last year. Over 9 minutes a game. Almost as much as Jrue and Giannis combined.

Yeah that argument sounds like bull. It's also not that Trae had that usage but shouldn't - he was very productive. I'm sure he'll be playing a bit more off ball with better players but not to an extent where a player like Bogdan gets significant ballhandling duties when both share the court.

[Bernman]

How do we know who was and wasn’t on Giannis’ list? I haven’t seen any reporting about Beal being on his list. I also remember Beal and Giannis going at it, I’m not sure they like each other.

I'm not sure who Fischer is, but this was posted earlier on the forum:

“According to Fischer, Antetokounmpo had provided Milwaukee with a short-list of wing talent to go after, including Bogdanovic, Bradley Beal, and Victor Oladipo.”

We did not get any of them. So am unsure how Giannis feels.

Its all true. Jrue was on the list. Jrue has more total value because Beal doesn't defend.

The part about them not being able to get Beal because Jrue is better is downright illogical. And of course you think it's all true. You said it. Little was backed up. Beal can lock down opponents when he's competing for something. Seldom has been in Washington. And he's more dominant offensively. Beal was on the list provided, Holiday wasn't. Where's your support the reverse is true?

[SirChurros]

After reading that article it feels like the Bucks were faced with the decision of moving all in on Holiday or prioritizing Bogdan. They realized that the Holiday addition was the better move and provides a much better playoff lineup. Bledsoe and DDV for Bogdan would have left Hill as the only PG with no real options to add a starting PG. I also read it as they felt the Holiday trade was a long shot, when it became apparent it was a possibility, even at a great expense, they thought that it was the best immediate option. Pulling off both trades would have been a huge win and incredibly impactful, however Holiday on his own makes this team much better than Bogdan on his own.

Holiday - Augustine - Merrill
DDV - Forbes - Pat
Middleton - Craig - Thanasis
Giannis - Wilson - Nwora
Lopez - Portis

or

Hill - Augustine - Merrill
Bogdan - Forbes - Pat
Middleton - Craig - Thanasis
Giannis - Wilson - Nwora
Lopez - Portis

It also just further proves that GM Giannis is terrible if his top choice was Bogdan.

[slos]

These reports make sense. First Bucks had a deal with Sacramento for Bogdan and reassured him that he will get his money. I guess Bledsoe was not involved in this and neither Hill could too. It was always Bogdan for DDV, Wilson and RoLo (which made him opt out, but Ersan was there as Plan B).

Then going for Jrue too became a possibility and getting him out of Ainge's hands was a bonus to prioritize him. Bucks pulled this off feeling confident that they had a deal with Bogdan. But they made a mistake including Hill instead of Wilson in the trade with New Orleans. Bogdan wouldn't like that suddenly he would become the 4th option and on top of that Hill who recruited him was now gone. Too many bad feelings there and probably less understanding from Bogdan to join the Bucks and make a discount.

Horst just misused his sources. It should have been Bledsoe + Wilson + picks for Jrue. And then DDV + Ersan + Connaughton for Bogdan. Money could work and Bucks would end up with this:

1. Middleton....33
2. Giannis.......27,5
3. Jrue...........26,2
4. Bogdan.......16 (4y/69mil)
5. Brook.........12,7
6. Hill............9,6
7. Thanasis.....1,7
8. Merrill........0,9
9. Nwora........0,9
- 6 spotsX0,9...5,4
- dead money...5 (Leuer, Sanders)
- total...........138,9 (hard cap)

That would be an awesome Jrue/Bogdan/Midds/Giannis/Brook starting 5 with Hill as 6th surrounded maybe with the worst depth in NBA history. Thanasis/Merrill/Nwora and probably some more undrafted rookies. But this could be fixed. With Bogdan on contract Bucks could split Hill afterwards in pieces. Or just keep two spots open and wait for the buyout market for cheap help. Literally every vet would want to join the Bucks since he would be immediately the 7th best player in a championship team.

[raferfenix]

These reports make sense. First Bucks had a deal with Sacramento for Bogdan and reassured him that he will get his money.

If I understand correctly — and if we are choosing to believe both Sam Amick and Jake Fischer’s sources (big if) — something like this went down:

1. Bledsoe was being included in trade talks for both Bogdan and Holiday, which ultimately caused a problem with Bogdan’s money. Per Fischer:

despite Bledsoe's salary number being an apparent necessity to match Bogdanovic's preferred number in free agency, Milwaukee moved forward with its Holiday acquisition.

Bledsoe was also always a centerpiece in any trade for Holiday, one source said.

2. Per Amick, Bogdan wasn’t down to be the 4th option he would be here. That and it was weird that we traded George Hill who was recruiting him.

[emunney]

Just looked it up. Literally nobody had the ball more than Trae last year. Over 9 minutes a game. Almost as much as Jrue and Giannis combined.

Yeah that argument sounds like bull. It's also not that Trae had that usage but shouldn't - he was very productive. I'm sure he'll be playing a bit more off ball with better players but not to an extent where a player like Bogdan gets significant ballhandling duties when both share the court.

Interestingly, Augustin had more time of possession than anybody on the Bucks (5.8 minutes/game vs. 4.5 minutes/game for Giannis). He also ran away with the league lead in dribbles/touch at 6.71. Next closest was Trae with 6.03. Pounding the **** out of the ball.

[Daver]

These reports make sense. First Bucks had a deal with Sacramento for Bogdan and reassured him that he will get his money.

If I understand correctly — and if we are choosing to believe both Sam Amick and Jake Fischer’s sources (big if) — something like this went down:

1. Bledsoe was being included in trade talks for both Bogdan and Holiday, which ultimately caused a problem with Bogdan’s money. Per Fischer:

despite Bledsoe's salary number being an apparent necessity to match Bogdanovic's preferred number in free agency, Milwaukee moved forward with its Holiday acquisition.

Bledsoe was also always a centerpiece in any trade for Holiday, one source said.

2. Per Amick, Bogdan wasn’t down to be the 4th option he would be here. That and it was weird that we traded George Hill who was recruiting him.

What the hell option is bogdan gling to be in atlanta uf he didnt like being 4th here.
Lets see
Young
DG
Collins
Bogdan oops looks like 4th there to

[crowhead76]

These reports make sense. First Bucks had a deal with Sacramento for Bogdan and reassured him that he will get his money.

If I understand correctly — and if we are choosing to believe both Sam Amick and Jake Fischer’s sources (big if) — something like this went down:

1. Bledsoe was being included in trade talks for both Bogdan and Holiday, which ultimately caused a problem with Bogdan’s money. Per Fischer:

despite Bledsoe's salary number being an apparent necessity to match Bogdanovic's preferred number in free agency, Milwaukee moved forward with its Holiday acquisition.

Bledsoe was also always a centerpiece in any trade for Holiday, one source said.

2. Per Amick, Bogdan wasn’t down to be the 4th option he would be here. That and it was weird that we traded George Hill who was recruiting him.

What the hell option is bogdan gling to be in atlanta uf he didnt like being 4th here.
Lets see
Young
DG
Collins
Bogdan oops looks like 4th there to

Not to mention, Atlanta has a deep bench of young players that they will need to play, in Milwaukee they would not have had any bench and being the 4th option on a team that has to play their starters a bunch of minutes seems like a better option. None of this connect the dots reporting makes much sense. Ultimately the Bucks front office made Jrue a higher priority than Bogdan, which is what they should have done.

[giannis and 1]

His D was bad. So many floaters in the lane and Bam made him his bitch.

He made up for it on offense. Certainly wasn't useless. Overall I think he was pretty good.

For what he is paid he needs to be good on both sides of the court.

No he doesn't his salary is relatively low for a starting center.

[giannis and 1]

Do you think the Bucks could have gotten Beal for the same level of assets as in the Holiday trade? If so it'd have likely secured Giannis and made the Bucks the title favorite. In that case the draft pick concessions would have been justifiable.

No they couldn't have gotten Beal, Jrue is better than Beal, and considering that Beal wasn't on Giannis list because he had beef with him, it would chased Giannis right out of town.

None of this is true. If Jrue is better than Beal, that would have increased the chances they could have gotten Brad. But Jrue's not actually better than Beal. Beal is a triple threat and can lock you down when he wants to. Beal was on Giannis' list, but Jrue wasn't. So that may have compelled Giannis to put pen to paper.

[DrWood]

He made up for it on offense. Certainly wasn't useless. Overall I think he was pretty good.

For what he is paid he needs to be good on both sides of the court.

No he doesn't his salary is relatively low for a starting center.

he's 18th in salary, but the list I saw includes Kevin Love (who's more of 4) and a couple of non-starters. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap-hit/center/

it's a fair salary, but there are always a couple of 5's looking to play for cheap.

[giannis and 1]

The Jrue trade looks even more questionable with the new info coming out about the Bogdan fumble.

Sacramento preferred the DDV package to Bled+24 but if we didn't make the trade for Jrue and threw in one of the future 1sts... you have to think that Sacramento would take that as opposed to losing Bogdan for nothing.

Brook/Portis/Diakite
Giannis/Craig/Wilson
Middleton/Nwora/Thanasis
Bogdan/DDV/Merrill
Hill/Augustin/Forbes/Adams

This roster is worse on defense but better at shooting and more dynamic offensively. And we don't mortgage the entire future.

[BucksFanSD]

These reports make sense. First Bucks had a deal with Sacramento for Bogdan and reassured him that he will get his money.

If I understand correctly — and if we are choosing to believe both Sam Amick and Jake Fischer’s sources (big if) — something like this went down:

1. Bledsoe was being included in trade talks for both Bogdan and Holiday, which ultimately caused a problem with Bogdan’s money. Per Fischer:

despite Bledsoe's salary number being an apparent necessity to match Bogdanovic's preferred number in free agency, Milwaukee moved forward with its Holiday acquisition.

Bledsoe was also always a centerpiece in any trade for Holiday, one source said.

2. Per Amick, Bogdan wasn’t down to be the 4th option he would be here. That and it was weird that we traded George Hill who was recruiting him.

I'd guess 1. is more likely. 2. could be Bogdon's nice way of saying, "sorry you didn't offer enough".

I'm glad we targeted Jrue at PG as PG is an upgrade I always wanted but had no idea who would be on the market. Turns out we got the top PG on the market, and if reports are accurate, Giannis is still happy enough to sign without Bogdon.

[BucksFanSD]

The Jrue trade looks even more questionable with the new info coming out about the Bogdan fumble.

Sacramento preferred the DDV package to Bled+24 but if we didn't make the trade for Jrue and threw in one of the future 1sts... you have to think that Sacramento would take that as opposed to losing Bogdan for nothing.

Brook/Portis/Diakite
Giannis/Craig/Wilson
Middleton/Nwora/Thanasis
Bogdan/DDV/Merrill
Hill/Augustin/Forbes/Adams

This roster is worse on defense but better at shooting and more dynamic offensively. And we don't mortgage the entire future.

I like that DDV is our weakest link right now as potential starters. He's perfect for a championship team's weakest link based on his style of play.

I am really excited to see Jrue in the playoffs, as he's the anti-Bledsoe when it comes to the playoffs. His game gets better, like Dragic's series against us.

[DrWood]

How do we know who was and wasn’t on Giannis’ list? I haven’t seen any reporting about Beal being on his list. I also remember Beal and Giannis going at it, I’m not sure they like each other.

I'm not sure who Fischer is, but this was posted earlier on the forum:

“According to Fischer, Antetokounmpo had provided Milwaukee with a short-list of wing talent to go after, including Bogdanovic, Bradley Beal, and Victor Oladipo.”

We did not get any of them. So am unsure how Giannis feels.

Its all true. Jrue was on the list. Jrue has more total value because Beal doesn't defend.

The part about them not being able to get Beal because Jrue is better is downright illogical. And of course you think it's all true. You said it. Little was backed up. Beal can lock down opponents when he's competing for something. Seldom has been in Washington. And he's more dominant offensively. Beal was on the list provided, Holiday wasn't. Where's your support the reverse is true?

yep, every bad defender on a bad team would magically become a good defender on a good team.
I mean, there's some hope in that, but it's not much of a hope. He's a darn good chucker, but nothing else.

[ReasonablySober]

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[Bucksfan28]

Of **** course they give us a home Christmas day game when no fans are allowed.

[Matches Malone]

Does anyone know when camp begins for us and if they’ll have media availability via zoom? I haven’t heard anything.

[Fotis St]

Let's consider this now ... so the Bucks actually traded every possible asset to get Jrue , without extending him ?
I mean we should be asking for a Jrue contract extension first and ask Giannis later .
This is a total mess . If Giannis signs , imagine Jrue deciding not to sign an extension.
Why on Earth hasn't Jrue already signed up ? He is waiting for Giannis decision ? Are we serious ?
Is Jrue the "King" to sit last at the dinner table or Giannis ?
Since the Bucks went ALL IN on Jrue , at least sign him an extension.
And while we **** the table , now the "serious" orgs will trade their superstars and we will just watch the tweets

[Garbs_7]

Let's consider this now ... so the Bucks actually traded every possible asset to get Jrue , without extending him ?
I mean we should be asking for a Jrue contract extension first and ask Giannis later .
This is a total mess . If Giannis signs , imagine Jrue deciding not to sign an extension.
Why on Earth hasn't Jrue already signed up ? He is waiting for Giannis decision ? Are we serious ?
Is Jrue the "King" to sit last at the dinner table or Giannis ?
Since the Bucks went ALL IN on Jrue , at least sign him an extension.
And while we **** the table , now the "serious" orgs will trade their superstars and we will just watch the tweets

We can't extend Jrue until February, calm Fotis