2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1

[Juco24]

I don't know if it's possible (if it is, I'm sure we'll find it SMH) to miss in this draft.
Suggs
Cunningham
JGreen
Boston
JJohnson
Kumunga
Ziaire
Mobley

All these guys would have been considered number 1s in this past year's draft. And you still have Clark, Nix, GBrown and others

[2010]

I don't know if it's possible (if it is, I'm sure we'll find it SMH) to miss in this draft.
Suggs
Cunningham
JGreen
Boston
JJohnson
Kumunga
Ziaire
Mobley

All these guys would have been considered number 1s in this past year's draft. And you still have Clark, Nix, GBrown and others

Everyone keeps forgetting about Scottie Barnes too. One of the more unique players in this draft class. I'm looking forward to seeing him play.

[cgf]

I don't know if it's possible (if it is, I'm sure we'll find it SMH) to miss in this draft.
Suggs
Cunningham
JGreen
Boston
JJohnson
Kumunga
Ziaire
Mobley

All these guys would have been considered number 1s in this past year's draft. And you still have Clark, Nix, GBrown and others

Everyone keeps forgetting about Scottie Barnes too. One of the more unique players in this draft class. I'm looking forward to seeing him play.

Can you convince me that Barnes is even as exciting as JJ, especially for us? Both look too slow to play the 3 at the next level, despite their playmaking potential, but JJ is a much better shooter.

[2010]

I don't know if it's possible (if it is, I'm sure we'll find it SMH) to miss in this draft.
Suggs
Cunningham
JGreen
Boston
JJohnson
Kumunga
Ziaire
Mobley

All these guys would have been considered number 1s in this past year's draft. And you still have Clark, Nix, GBrown and others

Everyone keeps forgetting about Scottie Barnes too. One of the more unique players in this draft class. I'm looking forward to seeing him play.

Can you convince me that Barnes is even as exciting as JJ, especially for us? Both look too slow to play the 3 at the next level, despite their playmaking potential, but JJ is a much better shooter.

At forward I currently have Barnes right below Johnson. Barnes doesn't project to have the scoring upside of Johnson, but he is arguably the best glue guy in the draft. Excellent passer out of the PF position. Defensively he can guard the 1 thru the 4. Physically strong with an NBA body, and can provide intangibles due to his leadership qualities and enthusiasm for the game. He is not a shooter but he can do literally everything else. From vision, to defense, to rebounding, to switchability, to ball handling, to intangibles.

If he fell to like 9-12 range and our Mavs pick was in that conversation I'd snatch him up with the quickness. Imagine this scenario:

• Cade (Knicks pick)
• Barnes (Mavs pick)
• Moody (use Hornets & Pistons 2nds to trade up)

All three were teammates at Montverde so imagine the chemistry.

[2010]

Cunningham | Ntilikina
Moody | Quickley
Barrett | Knox
Toppin | Barnes
Robinson | Noel

[HEZI]

Was watching Cade earlier and although I like him and he is talented and versatile, some things about his game are meh. First of all, he coasts a lot, plays at a very slow pace and doesn't look like he has the speed or burst even when he tries to push tempo. Second, he isn't really a perimeter player. He is very mid range and low post oriented. I'm starting to see a lot of Shaun Livingston in his game. Now, can he still have success in the league and become a star? Yeah absolutely, but I'm not sure how he'd fit on the Knicks honestly. I see Cade and RJ being almost redundant.

Cade is going to have to play on a team that has quality shooters and floor spacers around him so he can operate in his comfort zones. There might be more perimeter skill in his game than he's shown so far but right now I'm starting to question his fit with the guys we have.

The college game is mucked up in the middle. Nowhere near as open as the NBA game. I think he'll look even better as a pro, no matter what team he ends up on (even ours). He can do everything at a good level and has a great feel for the game, as well as other intangibles. And his length on defense is gonna present problems if he stays at the 1.

I don't doubt him being a good pro but I do wish he showed more ability to rise up over the defender and knock down outside shots. Right now he looks like he needs a lot of space to get his shot off and his comfort zones are mainly inside the line and he doesn't really break down his defender as he looks slower than guards even at the College level. He looks to back his defender down in the post and use his height advantage that way, which is fine but like I said earlier he is going to need snipers around him to have real success in the league that way. There are a lot of things Cade does that RJ can do as well which is why I said they could be a redundant pairing but I'd still take him if he is the megalodon in his draft class but right now he hasn't emerged as that.

[Nbabrothers]

My current Top 10:
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Johnson
3. Jalen Suggs
4. Jalen Green
5. Ziaire Williams
6. BJ Boston
7. Scottie Barnes
8. Evan Mobley
9. Jonathan Kuminga
10. Terrence Clarke

Damn, 3 Jalens in the top 4

Crazy right?

Spoiler:

Board edited to get Ziaire in there.

STATS
2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
3 31.3 51.3 37.5 81.3 6.7 3.0 1.0 1.7 2.7 3.3 18.7

[Nbabrothers]

Damn, 3 Jalens in the top 4

Crazy right?

Spoiler:

Board edited to get Ziaire in there.

STATS
2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
3 31.3 51.3 37.5 81.3 6.7 3.0 1.0 1.7 2.7 3.3 18.7

Cade Cunningham stats are off the charts!

[HEZI]

Was watching Cade earlier and although I like him and he is talented and versatile, some things about his game are meh. First of all, he coasts a lot, plays at a very slow pace and doesn't look like he has the speed or burst even when he tries to push tempo. Second, he isn't really a perimeter player. He is very mid range and low post oriented. I'm starting to see a lot of Shaun Livingston in his game. Now, can he still have success in the league and become a star? Yeah absolutely, but I'm not sure how he'd fit on the Knicks honestly. I see Cade and RJ being almost redundant.

Cade is going to have to play on a team that has quality shooters and floor spacers around him so he can operate in his comfort zones. There might be more perimeter skill in his game than he's shown so far but right now I'm starting to question his fit with the guys we have.

The college game is mucked up in the middle. Nowhere near as open as the NBA game. I think he'll look even better as a pro, no matter what team he ends up on (even ours). He can do everything at a good level and has a great feel for the game, as well as other intangibles. And his length on defense is gonna present problems if he stays at the 1.

It is so mucked up. Every screen and roll he is getting trapped and because the floor isn't spaced in the college game and especially with OK State who doesn't have many shooters. The defense can recover quick enough. It's why you rarely see trapping in the NBA game because after one pass you will get a wide open shot. In the college game since the floor isn't spaced properly you can trap and right now he is making the right reads but like you said things will for sure open up in the NBA.

The one thing I don't like is doesn't really box out and doesn't have great strength...he just uses his size time to time vs smaller guys but if you ever watch him try to box out or rebound over someone his size he always gets beat. Getting some more strength will be important.

I'm not really worried about his "pace" either. He plays smooth so some people think he isn't trying but he plays controlled at his own pace. Not comparing him to Luka but Luka does the same thing....they slowly and surely get to there spots with there own pace. Add in NBA caliber shooters and he can make every pass in the game with his size, iq, and passing ability.

Right, he's not Luka and even Luka needs spacing. They got shooters all around him from 1 to 5. But the key thing with Luka is he shoots a lot of 3s and a lot of step back long range 3s at a high volume so even though he's not statistically that good of a shooter he still can make them and the defenders respect him enough to close out on him and defend him outside which sets up his entire driving game. Haven't seen that type of range from Cade, not yet at least. Another thing is, Luka is on a different level as a passer and floor general than Cade is. Luka's passing is another thing that opens up his scoring game as defenders have to really think twice about coming over to help from any angle because Luka sees the floor like only a few players do.

[El Poochio]

Cade Poor Man's Suggs?

[El Poochio]

Crazy right?

Spoiler:

Board edited to get Ziaire in there.

STATS
2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
3 31.3 51.3 37.5 81.3 6.7 3.0 1.0 1.7 2.7 3.3 18.7

Cade Cunningham stats are off the charts!

Lol only 3 ass

[HEZI]

STATS
2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
3 31.3 51.3 37.5 81.3 6.7 3.0 1.0 1.7 2.7 3.3 18.7

Cade Cunningham stats are off the charts!

Lol only 3 ass

He's averaging more turnovers than assists but I do expect that to change eventually

[mpharris36]

STATS
2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
3 31.3 51.3 37.5 81.3 6.7 3.0 1.0 1.7 2.7 3.3 18.7

Cade Cunningham stats are off the charts!

Lol only 3 ass

here is a look at OK States guard shooting

[mpharris36]

Cunningham | Ntilikina
Moody | Quickley
Barrett | Knox
Toppin | Barnes
Robinson | Noel

[Knicksfan1992]

I tried telling y'all Cade isn't a primary at the next level.... Helluva prospect but he's not the next LeBron/Luka type of wing. I'm more encouraged by the good 3 point shooting than I am discouraged by the lack of assists anyway.

He's more PG 2.0. All around wing with hopefully more willingness to be an alpha than PG ever wanted to be. Kind of perfect for our core anyway. Him and RJ sharing playmaking duties would be fantastic for both of their development curves IMO. Also having elite play finishers like Toppin and Mitch makes Cade way more valuable.

[Nbabrothers]

Cade Cunningham stats are off the charts!

Lol only 3 ass

He's averaging more turnovers than assists but I do expect that to change eventually

I agree. He’s going to be an all star this season if he gets the minutes and starts I believe. Rookie of the year I bet!

[RHODEY]

I don't know if it's possible (if it is, I'm sure we'll find it SMH) to miss in this draft.
Suggs
Cunningham
JGreen
Boston
JJohnson
Kumunga
Ziaire
Mobley

All these guys would have been considered number 1s in this past year's draft. And you still have Clark, Nix, GBrown and others

I think the key is to be in position to draft 2 of these guys, Get one with our own pick and then maybe try and moving into the top 13 using the Dallas Pick . This is assuming Luka doesn't break his leg or something...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Cunningham | Ntilikina
Moody | Quickley
Barrett | Knox
Toppin | Barnes
Robinson | Noel

It's doubtful that Cunningham will be able to defend NBA point guards, that's not a knock on him so much so that it's pretty much impossible for players that size to check guards fulltime. He'd play at the 3 and guard the 3, like Luka and LeBron do, even Ben Simmons doesn't guard the 1.

[robillionaire]

if he can't do any better than 3 ast to 3.3 TO I might look elsewhere. We need a playmaker

[robillionaire]

we can play julius randle at pg and get that same production he averaged 3.1 AST and 3 TO last year