Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[fansinceforever]

If he doesn't sign the extension the Bucks better know exactly what outcome he expects to attain for him to resign.

"We'll see how we do in the playoffs" is not an acceptable answer. We need to know the expectation and understand our chances of accomplishing it.

[mubucks00]

or else what?

I mean if he doesn't and just plays coy the rest of the year, what are you going to do? No matter what he's still going to play hard. It's been reported they are going down with the ship if that's what needs to happen. If he doesn't sign, he will be a free agent. The bucks don't have much leverage for a mid-year haul. GA would hold all the cards. He can pretty much dictate who he would be traded to and for what price. If it's truly a half-year rental with no long-term potential, it would be a complete roll of the dice for a playoff team thinking Giannis would get them over the top and be worth it. Miami would need to open up some cap space mid-year, but they wouldn't have to deal with the bucks at year end.

I think at this point you'd be lucky to get what they paid for Jrue if it's a mid year thing. Maddening yes, but I'm hoping that's just a pessimistic view of things and everything is prepped and ready to go.

[Chad34]

If he doesn't sign the extension the Bucks better know exactly what outcome he expects to attain for him to resign.

"We'll see how we do in the playoffs" is not an acceptable answer. We need to know the expectation and understand our chances of accomplishing it.

That Greek article implied he might wait until after training camp to sign. hopefully not, and if he doesn't sign by the 22nd, you have to trade him, and recoup something, or it's gonna be an even worse nightmare. you'd think if he's planning on staying though, he'll sign by the 22nd.

[fansinceforever]

or else what?

I mean if he doesn't and just plays coy the rest of the year, what are you going to do? No matter what he's still going to play hard. It's been reported they are going down with the ship if that's what needs to happen. If he doesn't sign, he will be a free agent. The bucks don't have much leverage for a mid-year haul. GA would hold all the cards. He can pretty much dictate who he would be traded to and for what price. If it's truly a half-year rental with no long-term potential, it would be a complete roll of the dice for a playoff team thinking Giannis would get them over the top and be worth it. Miami would need to open up some cap space mid-year, but they wouldn't have to deal with the bucks at year end.

I think at this point you'd be lucky to get what they paid for Jrue if it's a mid year thing. Maddening yes, but I'm hoping that's just a pessimistic view of things and everything is prepped and ready to go.

Thats what we're all hoping. Or else the Bucks havent done their job and we all know the incredible consquences of that.

This is an unlikely scenario and I really don't believe it plays out that way at all. But, cover your ass. If that extension isnt signed by the deadline, its no longer time to cross your fingers and hope. You have toi ask tough questions and make contingency plans.

[Lippo]

So you don't know what the problem is, but you do know that it has nothing to do with the difference between the regular season and the playoffs. And you can't figure out why the Bucks looked so good against Boston and Detroit and lost four straight to Toronto (hint: the further you go in the playoffs the better teams you face).

Let's hope Bud finally figures out what he's doing doesn't work. If this happens three times in a row, maybe then someone will look at the coach. Or maybe we can blame Bledsoe (yes, he had to go, but he wasn't the reason we got steamrolled).

Your "hint" is a bit condescending. Orlando this year was pretty bad - we still played bad ourselves. As we did in the seeding games which were certainly not playoffs. I'm just saying it's oversimplified to say we are good in the season and bad in the playoffs.

Our lack of ability to create quality shots consistently in the half court is and has been our biggest issue. In the Regular season it was an issue but not so much that we won't blow out the Chicago's, Detroit's and Charlotte's of the world.

Giannis's FTs are a big deal but, to me, that will continue to be what keeps us from winning a championship if we haven't improved in that area... Like by a lot.

Alot of Giannis's drive and kick to open shooters are off the mark 12-24", whether or not its a chest high crisp pass can be a +/- 10% on the jumper... Lebron's drive and dishes are much better, Giannis has to work on his accuracy on this as well as his FT% and we will be all set.

[fansinceforever]

Your "hint" is a bit condescending. Orlando this year was pretty bad - we still played bad ourselves. As we did in the seeding games which were certainly not playoffs. I'm just saying it's oversimplified to say we are good in the season and bad in the playoffs.

Our lack of ability to create quality shots consistently in the half court is and has been our biggest issue. In the Regular season it was an issue but not so much that we won't blow out the Chicago's, Detroit's and Charlotte's of the world.

Giannis's FTs are a big deal but, to me, that will continue to be what keeps us from winning a championship if we haven't improved in that area... Like by a lot.

Alot of Giannis's drive and kick to open shooters are off the mark 12-24", whether or not its a chest high crisp pass can be a +/- 10% on the jumper... Lebron's drive and dishes are much better, Giannis has to work on his accuracy on this as well as his FT% and we will be all set.

Yep. Agreed.

We cannot have guys standing in place waiting for a kick out while Giannis goes to work from the Wing or top of the key either. The Heat were able to recover on shooters quite a bit. Giannis's passes were late fairly often as well.

[BucksRule18]

or else what?

I mean if he doesn't and just plays coy the rest of the year, what are you going to do? No matter what he's still going to play hard. It's been reported they are going down with the ship if that's what needs to happen. If he doesn't sign, he will be a free agent. The bucks don't have much leverage for a mid-year haul. GA would hold all the cards. He can pretty much dictate who he would be traded to and for what price. If it's truly a half-year rental with no long-term potential, it would be a complete roll of the dice for a playoff team thinking Giannis would get them over the top and be worth it. Miami would need to open up some cap space mid-year, but they wouldn't have to deal with the bucks at year end.

I think at this point you'd be lucky to get what they paid for Jrue if it's a mid year thing. Maddening yes, but I'm hoping that's just a pessimistic view of things and everything is prepped and ready to go.

I agree with all your points. If Giannis plays coy and says I'm not deciding until next summer, I'm 95% sure the Bucks would not trade him before the deadline. If they did that then they're basically telling Bucks fans that we don't have what it takes to win the championship this year with Giannis, Jrue and Khris. So whether you agree or not, we'll be in a situation where it's basically do or die. We either win it all (or at least lose in 7 in the finals) and Giannis and Jrue resign, or we lose earlier in the playoffs and be irrelevant for the next 10 years.

[Daver]

IMO i dont know what else the bucks can do to appease giannis(albeit bogdan)they have their own version of a big 3 now have shooters a really good PG a good bench.To me horst has done what was needed for giannis if he bolts and screws over the bucks he was nothing more than a 2 faced SOB.
He wants to win the bucks have done just that 2 years in a row our MVP needs to also get a reality check look in the mirror and say its on me as much as everyone else i need to step it up even more.
Running away to supposedly join a better team is a pile of steaming dog .... Bucks are a winning team

[BucksRule18]

IMO i dont know what else the bucks can do to appease giannis(albeit bogdan)they have their own version of a big 3 now have shooters a really good PG a good bench.To me horst has done what was needed for giannis if he bolts and screws over the bucks he was nothing more than a 2 faced SOB.
He wants to win the bucks have done just that 2 years in a row our MVP needs to also get a reality check look in the mirror and say its on me as much as everyone else i need to step it up even more.
Running away to supposedly join a better team is a pile of steaming dog .... Bucks are a winning team

Giannis is a superstar who relies a lot on the coach for guidance. If he loses that trust with Bud, I can see him signing a short term deal with the Bucks at the end of next year if we bring in someone with chops and a proven playoff performance. If he thinks that someone like Spoelstra can bring out the best in him, I can see him making a change just for that.

[tydett]

December 6th, Giannis birthday, his 26th, he might want TO announce he'll be in Milwaukee for SIX years with his 5 year extension. God has willed it.

[mubucks00]

Oh geez.. I guess that's a better than the 21st. Sunday it is. Woj bomb here we go. We will have to dissect all of his facial/eye movements as Nehm asks all the questions tomorrow.

[yannisk]

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But that is only one report. We read about how Bucks want to make him happy and how Giannis told them who he wants to play with for months.

Too much talk about nothing. Horst (like everybody is doing in the nba) tries to get feedback from the star player of the team. If Horst was asking us in this board how do we want to improve the Bucks, everybody would give some suggestions myself and probably you Mr Sigra included. This is the positive way to look at things and I think it is the realistic one. If we hear that "Giannis stormed the office of GM Horst and demanded Bucks get Oladipo or else..." then yes we will look at it in another way, till then let us stop creating drama out of nothing

[Daver]

To much blame on the bucks FO i feel it takes 2 to tango to make a trade.If giannis asked for VO BB BB etc not all blame can be put on horst for not getting these guys i mean wash indiana both have to agree to deal Bucks tried for bogdan and im a firm believer that if the NBA doesnt step in that deal is done and brogdan takes less to come here.
Giannis got his upgrade plus i feel better shooters n better bench.
Giannis how bout you .....learn how to shoot your fts and get a midrange game then you can complain

[TD75]

To much blame on the bucks FO i feel it takes 2 to tango to make a trade.If giannis asked for VO BB BB etc not all blame can be put on horst for not getting these guys i mean wash indiana both have to agree to deal Bucks tried for bogdan and im a firm believer that if the NBA doesnt step in that deal is done and brogdan takes less to come here.
Giannis got his upgrade plus i feel better shooters n better bench.
Giannis how bout you .....learn how to shoot your fts and get a midrange game then you can complain

Or he can wait until July and decide what he wants to do then since, you know, he has every right to do so.

[Chad34]

To much blame on the bucks FO i feel it takes 2 to tango to make a trade.If giannis asked for VO BB BB etc not all blame can be put on horst for not getting these guys i mean wash indiana both have to agree to deal Bucks tried for bogdan and im a firm believer that if the NBA doesnt step in that deal is done and brogdan takes less to come here.
Giannis got his upgrade plus i feel better shooters n better bench.
Giannis how bout you .....learn how to shoot your fts and get a midrange game then you can complain

Or he can wait until July and decide what he wants to do then since, you know, he has every right to do so.

yeah, he has a right just as the bucks organization has a right to look after this franchise long term. say they trade him at the deadline if he's not going to sign, does the team that trades for him have the ability to offer the max, but he's unrestricted? I don't know if that helps his trade value or not. I would think he has the most right now, so if he doesn't sign by the 22nd I believe the Bucks must trade him and get the most they can, no questions, no gambles.

[Daver]

To much blame on the bucks FO i feel it takes 2 to tango to make a trade.If giannis asked for VO BB BB etc not all blame can be put on horst for not getting these guys i mean wash indiana both have to agree to deal Bucks tried for bogdan and im a firm believer that if the NBA doesnt step in that deal is done and brogdan takes less to come here.
Giannis got his upgrade plus i feel better shooters n better bench.
Giannis how bout you .....learn how to shoot your fts and get a midrange game then you can complain

Or he can wait until July and decide what he wants to do then since, you know, he has every right to do so.

yeah, he has a right just as the bucks organization has a right to look after this franchise long term. say they trade him at the deadline if he's not going to sign, does the team that trades for him have the ability to offer the max, but he's unrestricted? I don't know if that helps his trade value or not. I would think he has the most right now, so if he doesn't sign by the 22nd I believe the Bucks must trade him and get the most they can, no questions, no gambles.

Realistically what team out there has the best assets for the bucks if they trade him.
Miami only if they trade herro robinson n bam but they wont do that

[blazza18]

Absolutely certain if you root for a teams front office on a message board you are a friend or family member of someone in that front office.

[drdrG]

Absolutely certain if you root for a teams front office on a message board you are a friend or family member of someone in that front office.

I haven't posted a message in that vein before but I certainly hope for the best from our FO every day. I used to live near Larry Harris but that's the closest I've ever been to the Bucks exec... Maybe this isn't a mutually exclusive response to your comment

[Daver]

Absolutely certain if you root for a teams front office on a message board you are a friend or family member of someone in that front office.

So being in the majority and constantly criticizing the FO makes me more of a fan.
Im not rooting for the FO if this is directed toward me just cause im not blaming them for single thing doesnt mean im a friend or family.
Im sure its horst fault that our MVP cant hit FTs or commits a foul with 000 left on the clock.
All im saying is that he has gone out and added a key piece this off season to keep giannis happy

[ReasonablySober]

Absolutely certain if you root for a teams front office on a message board you are a friend or family member of someone in that front office.

I mean, I don't necessarily root for players either. I root for the team. If Giannis goes somewhere else I'm gonna stop giving a **** about anything related to him.