Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[Ruzious]

I love that trade, Ruz. Better yet, I think they might go for it.

But... I can't imagine our FO doing it.

I think our chance that Tommy would do it is - it becomes clear that le Wiz are far better on offense than they are in defense.

Or we'll have a chat with Brad.

Edit - Yes, we can add Robinson for Clark to it - good call.

[nate33]

I like the kiss method of trades - keep it simple sucka. Speaking of which - this is a midseason trade we make to improve our interior defense. Orlando has the opposite problem - looking for a high volume 3 point marksman.

We trade Bertans and Wagner to Orlando for... you guessed it - Aminu and Bamba. Aminu was awful and injured most of last season, but if he gets his health back, he's a very good defensive PF and provides enough of a 3 point threat to keep defenses honest. People like to call Bamba a bust, but he just needs more experience.

I think Bertans might have more value as a "ceiling raiser" on a really good team. We are not that good team, but other good teams might offer a lot for a guy like Bertans. I could see Boston, for example, giving us a 1st round pick at the Trade Deadline to absorb Bertans into their TPE. I'd rather have the #21-ish pick in the 2021 draft than Bamba with just 1.5 years left on his deal plus Aminu's bad contract.

[Ruzious]

I like the kiss method of trades - keep it simple sucka. Speaking of which - this is a midseason trade we make to improve our interior defense. Orlando has the opposite problem - looking for a high volume 3 point marksman.

We trade Bertans and Wagner to Orlando for... you guessed it - Aminu and Bamba. Aminu was awful and injured most of last season, but if he gets his health back, he's a very good defensive PF and provides enough of a 3 point threat to keep defenses honest. People like to call Bamba a bust, but he just needs more experience.

I think Bertans might have more value as a "ceiling raiser" on a really good team. We are not that good team, but other good teams might offer a lot for a guy like Bertans. I could see Boston, for example, giving us a 1st round pick at the Trade Deadline to absorb Bertans into their TPE. I'd rather have the #21-ish pick in the 2021 draft than Bamba with just 1.5 years left on his deal plus Aminu's bad contract.

Nah, I don't want to wait to have good defensive players - especially not for a latish future 1st rounder. Bamba is much like Nerlens Noel - the kind of player we should have sharing center with Bryant. And he's got the potential to surpass Noel, because he has some shooting ability. We should be able to re-sign him reasonably. And Aminu's worth his salary if he's healthy and can also teach our young forwards and Bryant defensive fundamentals. I'm not sure there's anyone really teaching them now.

[payitforward]

IMO, both variants have appeal. Best would be if we could get them bidding against each other!

Mo appears to have up-sized:

[closg00]

Heat to make Wizards' Bradley Beal No. 1 target if Giannis Antetokounmpo re-signs with Bucks, per report

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heat-to-make-wizards-bradley-beal-no-1-target-if-giannis-antetokounmpo-re-signs-with-bucks-per-report/
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article247302974.html

[Ruzious]

IMO, both variants have appeal. Best would be if we could get them bidding against each other!

Mo appears to have up-sized:

Hopefully there's no serious long-term affects from him getting COVID.

Read on Twitter

[nate33]

Heat to make Wizards' Bradley Beal No. 1 target if Giannis Antetokounmpo re-signs with Bucks, per report

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heat-to-make-wizards-bradley-beal-no-1-target-if-giannis-antetokounmpo-re-signs-with-bucks-per-report/
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article247302974.html

They have nothing to trade except Herro and Achiuwa. All their picks are encumbered until 2025.

The only way they pull this off is through massive illegal tampering. They would need to get Beal to demand a trade to Miami and for Beal to insist that he won't resign with anybody else. (I think Riley is certainly capable of this.)

[pcbothwel]

Heat to make Wizards' Bradley Beal No. 1 target if Giannis Antetokounmpo re-signs with Bucks, per report

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heat-to-make-wizards-bradley-beal-no-1-target-if-giannis-antetokounmpo-re-signs-with-bucks-per-report/
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article247302974.html

Lol.. Yeah, that 2025 1st is REALLY tempting for Beal

[nate33]

Heat to make Wizards' Bradley Beal No. 1 target if Giannis Antetokounmpo re-signs with Bucks, per report

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heat-to-make-wizards-bradley-beal-no-1-target-if-giannis-antetokounmpo-re-signs-with-bucks-per-report/
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article247302974.html

Lol.. Yeah, that 2025 1st is REALLY tempting for Beal

I suppose the best package they could do is Herro, Achiuwa, a 2024 pick swap, 2025 pick, 2026 pick swap and 2027 pick.

But those picks are a long way down the road and very few GM's have the job security to trade talent now for potential talent 4-7 years into the future. Also, those pick swaps are likely to be irrelevant because what are the odds that a Miami team with Bam and Beal are going to be substantially worse than the Beal-less Wizards?

[DCZards]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heat-to-make-wizards-bradley-beal-no-1-target-if-giannis-antetokounmpo-re-signs-with-bucks-per-report/
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article247302974.html

Lol.. Yeah, that 2025 1st is REALLY tempting for Beal

I suppose the best package they could do is Herro, Achiuwa, a 2024 pick swap, 2025 pick, 2026 pick swap and 2027 pick.

But those picks are a long way down the road and very few GM's have the job security to trade talent now for potential talent 4-7 years into the future. Also, those pick swaps are likely to be irrelevant because what are the odds that a Miami team with Bam and Beal are going to be substantially worse than the Beal-less Wizards?

Beal, Bam AND Butler.

[nate33]

Lol.. Yeah, that 2025 1st is REALLY tempting for Beal

I suppose the best package they could do is Herro, Achiuwa, a 2024 pick swap, 2025 pick, 2026 pick swap and 2027 pick.

But those picks are a long way down the road and very few GM's have the job security to trade talent now for potential talent 4-7 years into the future. Also, those pick swaps are likely to be irrelevant because what are the odds that a Miami team with Bam and Beal are going to be substantially worse than the Beal-less Wizards?

Beal, Bam AND Butler.

Well, Butler will be 34 in the season before the 2024 draft.

[Ruzious]

Lol.. Yeah, that 2025 1st is REALLY tempting for Beal

I suppose the best package they could do is Herro, Achiuwa, a 2024 pick swap, 2025 pick, 2026 pick swap and 2027 pick.

But those picks are a long way down the road and very few GM's have the job security to trade talent now for potential talent 4-7 years into the future. Also, those pick swaps are likely to be irrelevant because what are the odds that a Miami team with Bam and Beal are going to be substantially worse than the Beal-less Wizards?

Beal, Bam AND Butler.

Banking on 5 B's being better than 3: Beal, Brown, Bryant, Bertans, and Bonga. Shoulda drafted the Beys.

[pcbothwel]

I suppose the best package they could do is Herro, Achiuwa, a 2024 pick swap, 2025 pick, 2026 pick swap and 2027 pick.

But those picks are a long way down the road and very few GM's have the job security to trade talent now for potential talent 4-7 years into the future. Also, those pick swaps are likely to be irrelevant because what are the odds that a Miami team with Bam and Beal are going to be substantially worse than the Beal-less Wizards?

Beal, Bam AND Butler.

Well, Butler will be 34 in the season before the 2024 draft.

Ehhh... Butler is a plus athlete, with strength, high skill level, and ELITE work ethic.
Guys like that dont fall off until 35-36 because they make a living out High IQ, rebounding, and muscling people on defense. On offense, he'll still draw fouls and pass the ball.

Malone, Lebron, Iggy, etc... Guys bigger, stronger, and harder working than their peers and seems to play forever.
Iggy just fell off at 36 and isnt nearly as skilled as Butler.

[DCZards]

I suppose the best package they could do is Herro, Achiuwa, a 2024 pick swap, 2025 pick, 2026 pick swap and 2027 pick.

But those picks are a long way down the road and very few GM's have the job security to trade talent now for potential talent 4-7 years into the future. Also, those pick swaps are likely to be irrelevant because what are the odds that a Miami team with Bam and Beal are going to be substantially worse than the Beal-less Wizards?

Beal, Bam AND Butler.

Well, Butler will be 34 in the season before the 2024 draft.

In the past "34" would be old. But with today's training regiments ballers are playing at a high level (Chris Paul, Lebron, Melo) into their mid-30s and beyond.

[nate33]

Beal, Bam AND Butler.

Well, Butler will be 34 in the season before the 2024 draft.

In the past "34" would be old. But with today's training regiments ballers are playing at a high level (Chris Paul, Lebron, Melo) into their mid-30s and beyond.

I disagree. I don't think Butler's game will age all that well because he relies so much on getting to the free throw line. Once he loses just a little bit of his first step, it will seriously undermine his advantage. Unlike Lebron who had the size to move up a position as he got slower, Butler is already undersized for a SF.

It doesn't help that Butler was never a very good 3-point shooter either.

Don't get me wrong. It's not like he's going to be out of the league at age 34 or anything. I think he'll be more like Paul Pierce when he was with the Wizards - a wily veteran who can still do it in spurts, but can't carry the load as a primary option.

[penbeast0]

As a followup with Houston, Rui Hachimura and Jerome Robinson (or if you value him less, Moe Wagner) for PJ Tucker and our protected pick back. Gives us a (35 year old) forward who can play some defense and hit a wide open 3 for a young offense only guy who competes for minutes with Deni whose scouting report impresses me more (and we won't find out if he can play unless he gets some time). We try to build a winning culture with Westbrook and Tucker.

Houston trades age for youth; the pick will likely not be top 10 so the current young player should be worth a lot more to them unless they still think they are in win now mode.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

As a followup with Houston, Rui Hachimura and Jerome Robinson (or if you value him less, Moe Wagner) for PJ Tucker and our protected pick back. Gives us a (35 year old) forward who can play some defense and hit a wide open 3 for a young offense only guy who competes for minutes with Deni whose scouting report impresses me more (and we won't find out if he can play unless he gets some time). We try to build a winning culture with Westbrook and Tucker.

Houston trades age for youth; the pick will likely not be top 10 so the current young player should be worth a lot more to them unless they still think they are in win now mode.

I like it

[Dat2U]

As a followup with Houston, Rui Hachimura and Jerome Robinson (or if you value him less, Moe Wagner) for PJ Tucker and our protected pick back. Gives us a (35 year old) forward who can play some defense and hit a wide open 3 for a young offense only guy who competes for minutes with Deni whose scouting report impresses me more (and we won't find out if he can play unless he gets some time). We try to build a winning culture with Westbrook and Tucker.

Houston trades age for youth; the pick will likely not be top 10 so the current young player should be worth a lot more to them unless they still think they are in win now mode.

I like it

I'm not high on Hachimura but just no. JRob & Moe sure but thats sacrificing alot for a 35 year old 6-6 PF who can go multiple games without making a shot.

[Dark Faze]

man people sleeping on Rui

[gambitx777]

So potential flipping spots for westbrook? NYK? Orlando? Hornets, Mavs , Jazz, maybe the Pistons?

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