Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments.

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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#101 » by DTP » Thu Dec 3, 2020 2:33 am

Crazy because while watching them, especially in the playoffs, I was thinking man Doc needs to not ISO PG so much and get him moving off screens/pin downs. His handles aren't that great to be an ISO guy that has to create for himself or others. Dude also just needs to stfu.

I want to be back on his bandwagon but man, since going to LA he's made it so hard.
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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#102 » by Dupp » Thu Dec 3, 2020 2:37 am

He’s right about doc though no matter what you think of him.

Also what is he wearing. Looks like a garden gnome.
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Post#103 » by Ballerhogger » Thu Dec 3, 2020 2:53 am

PG is too much of diva. Doc was bad but still
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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#104 » by shangrila » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:06 am

Given that outfit he's wearing I'm not surprised he lacks self awareness.
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Post#105 » by DS17 » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:06 am

The worst part of this is, Paul George CHEATED on Doc Rivers' daughter. He then talks smack about Doc once Doc is gone... what an utter piece of sh**.
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Post#106 » by kenwood3333 » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:07 am

Kind of hard for a coach to run other sets when you don't go to practice much.
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Post#107 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:07 am

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ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Do you agree? I do think Doc was horrible at playing this team to it’s strengths.

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Doc isn’t a good coach. His strengths were in team and player management but all that was trash last year. Do
Doc giving Jamal “No defense black hole” space Crawford 30 minutes a game to do whatever he liked was just simply egregious and proof of his terrible tactics and roster construction as the rest of the team was good enough to win more.

But PG13 is full of **** here and neither he nor Kawhi have taken any responsibility for the Clippers’ failure. He got 2.5 possessions per game off of spot up, 14% of his possession and produced 1.15 points per possession.

PG13 got 6.8 possessions per game (33% of all his possessions) being a screen action creator. That’s the third highest firms second option in the NBA behind CJ McCollum and Denis Schroeder. LeBron himself only had 7.0 such possessions per game. George produced .97 Points for possession off of it which is actually top 20%.

He got 2.4 possessions in ISO, and produced .75 PPP, bottom 23% in the NBA. He did produce .92 PPP in 2019 which is much better.

PG13 got 3.0 possessions per game off of screens, but he produced 1.16 points per possession off of those, top 11%-12%.

He only got 1 possession per game in post up (where the possession ended with his action from the post) but that’s still top 50 in the NBA for players who played as many games as he did since teams don’t post up anymore for a variety of reasons. He produced a trash .74 ppp there so of course they’re not going to to it often.


He produced the best off of the screens and spot ups he thinks he’s too good for though he has produced well out of ball screens (had a very good year in OKC doing that).


Great data, thanks. Seems both are true as you said. Doc sucked, but PG is dead wrong and clearly didn’t study his own data lol. I wish he’d just be more mature and a better leader. Keep it as simple as “I really let these guys down last year badly, and I’m coming in this year looking to turn it around” etc.
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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#108 » by KillMonger » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:09 am

Paul George

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bruh....YOU the one that stunk up the joint...sure some adjustments could've been made but doc can't make the shots for you brodie....
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Post#109 » by Tacoma » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:12 am

og15 wrote:Because it is Paul George, my first reaction is to criticize him, but because it is also Doc Rivers who as a Clippers fan I've had longer experience with, I also know that while George is deflecting in these clips (didn't see the full interview), he is not incorrect to an extent about how he was used, and the adjustments problem is not a new concern.

Here's the thing, talk is cheap, let's see it this season.


Paul has already done a lot of talking and we've already seen. He called himself Playoff P. After forcing a trade to the Clippers, he said:" "Immediately, we expected to come in and win it all. We didn't have no other, like this was going to take a year to get used to one another."

Then after a sub-par playoff performance, he backtracked and said: "we've always felt, this is not a championship-or-bust year for us... We just didn't have enough time together."

And now it's the coach's fault. Sure, Paul, whatever you say. His talk has been pretty cheap.
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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#110 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:17 am

Tacoma wrote:
og15 wrote:Because it is Paul George, my first reaction is to criticize him, but because it is also Doc Rivers who as a Clippers fan I've had longer experience with, I also know that while George is deflecting in these clips (didn't see the full interview), he is not incorrect to an extent about how he was used, and the adjustments problem is not a new concern.

Here's the thing, talk is cheap, let's see it this season.


Paul has already done a lot of talking and we've already seen. He called himself Playoff P. After forcing a trade to the Clippers, he said:" "Immediately, we expected to come in and win it all. We didn't have no other, like this was going to take a year to get used to one another."

Then after a sub-par playoff performance, he backtracked and said: "we've always felt, this is not a championship-or-bust year for us... We just didn't have enough time together."

And now it's the coach's fault. Sure, Paul, whatever you say. His talk has been pretty cheap.

He's been talking out of both sides of his mouth his entire career.
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Post#111 » by ITYSL » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:19 am

Blowing a 3-1 lead with the stars they have takes more than bad coaching. Pretty sure they had double digits leads in each of those elimination games too.

PG is a clown and I am thrilled he didn't end up going to the Celtics.
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Post#112 » by TheNewEra » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:22 am

CoP wrote:Blowing a 3-1 lead with the stars they have takes more than bad coaching. Pretty sure they had double digits leads in each of those elimination games too.

PG is a clown and I am thrilled he didn't end up going to the Celtics.


When you are the only coach in history to blow 3 those yeah not doing anything at all adjusting is the point
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Post#113 » by ITYSL » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:26 am

TheNewEra wrote:
CoP wrote:Blowing a 3-1 lead with the stars they have takes more than bad coaching. Pretty sure they had double digits leads in each of those elimination games too.

PG is a clown and I am thrilled he didn't end up going to the Celtics.


When you are the only coach in history to blow 3 those yeah not doing anything at all adjusting is the point

You'll get no argument from me on Doc. I didn't like him when he was with the Celtics. Never thought he was a great coach.

Doesn't change the fact that PG is a clown who has difficulty taking responsibility for choking in the playoffs.
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Post#114 » by TheNewEra » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:34 am

CoP wrote:
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CoP wrote:Blowing a 3-1 lead with the stars they have takes more than bad coaching. Pretty sure they had double digits leads in each of those elimination games too.

PG is a clown and I am thrilled he didn't end up going to the Celtics.


When you are the only coach in history to blow 3 those yeah not doing anything at all adjusting is the point

You'll get no argument from me on Doc. I didn't like him when he was with the Celtics. Never thought he was a great coach.

Doesn't change the fact that PG is a clown who has difficulty taking responsibility for choking in the playoffs.



I mean he called himself out during the 2K ratings event and even mocked himself for his wife getting a ring first. Idk the PG hate seemed to start after he joined OKC
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Post#115 » by ITYSL » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:46 am

TheNewEra wrote:
CoP wrote:
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When you are the only coach in history to blow 3 those yeah not doing anything at all adjusting is the point

You'll get no argument from me on Doc. I didn't like him when he was with the Celtics. Never thought he was a great coach.

Doesn't change the fact that PG is a clown who has difficulty taking responsibility for choking in the playoffs.



I mean he called himself out during the 2K ratings event and even mocked himself for his wife getting a ring first. Idk the PG hate seemed to start after he joined OKC

I think you're practically on an island defending this dude tbh. He talks ****, doesn't back it up, then scapegoats others. I don't think I've ever really commented on his behavior before so I'm not much of a hater. PG is bringing this on himself.
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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#116 » by Indomitable » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:58 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:PG is an entitled bitch. hate to see it but you just a beta trying to make in it in a world of alphas.



This was the moment that I realize George was all talk. He is the guy who gets beaten.

Jimmy has broke him a few times.
Lillard destroyed him.
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He is always fails but it is never his fault. I still cannot believe what the Clips gave up for him.
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Re: Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments. 

Post#117 » by SFour » Thu Dec 3, 2020 4:01 am

PG talks way too much
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Post#118 » by carlquincy » Thu Dec 3, 2020 4:45 am

I like PG, but damn Where's the accountability? If he actually shot like Redick, Clips would've won.
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Post#119 » by Karate Diop » Thu Dec 3, 2020 4:46 am

I mean... He's not wrong...
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Post#120 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:06 am

This guy is unreal. I've seen people shirk responsibility but this is next level. How hard is it not to point fingers at others this long after the fact.

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